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[edit] On 1999
Do you want to say anything about the high level of destruction it suffered in 1999? As I recall the old town was almost completely destroyed.2toise 18:24, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I don't know much about it. Nikola 06:14, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)
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- I've added some material largely culled from OSCE, HRW and ICTY sources on events in Djakovica. -- ChrisO 02:14, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Revert conflict
Once again, Nikola, don't simply delete large pieces of content without bothering to discuss them. This time you haven't even bothered to include a summary explanation. -- ChrisO 01:31, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[added] If you have specific concerns, please discuss them here.
Archived from Requests for page protection:
- Djakovica - User:Nikola Smolenski is repeatedly deleting large chunks of material (approximately 75% of the article) without discussion or explanation, apparently for partisan reasons. Please rollback and protect until he decides to start using talk pages. -- ChrisO 01:36, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I haven't even read what you have written. You could have posted it yesterday, you could have posted it tomorrow, but no, you HAD to do it today! And bad wiquette is better then no wiquette at all.
On a sidenote, I do hope that articles whose protection was requested several DAYS ago will be protected before this one. Nikola 01:41, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)- This apparently is a reference to yesterday's violence in Kosovo, which (as far as I know) had nothing to do with Djakovica and certainly had nothing to do with the article in question. It's pure nationalist paranoia to suggest a link. And I think your comment that "I haven't even read what you have written" before deleting it all underlines the fact that this is a deeply abusive piece of editing by you. -- ChrisO 01:48, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- No. It is deeply abusive piece of editing by you. I don't believe you that it is a coincidence, and even if it is, you could have waited. Why such a rush? Nikola 01:51, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I've simply been reviewing articles on the towns in Kosovo, and noticed the comments in Talk:Djakovica about the events in Djakovica during the recent war. You had said (on 5 October 2003) that you didn't know much about it. I did have some memory of it, did some research and updated the article accordingly. Then I found out about the events of yesterday. So, no link.
- Given your history, my most probable assumption is that you lie. Nikola
- And even if there had been, why would this have been a problem? Should all editing on articles related to Kosovo cease if there's a day's unrest in the province? -- ChrisO 01:58, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Firstly, yes, such abusive editing should cease.
Secondly, there is no there is no "day's unrest" but three days' genocide. Nikola 07:18, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Firstly, yes, such abusive editing should cease.
- I've simply been reviewing articles on the towns in Kosovo, and noticed the comments in Talk:Djakovica about the events in Djakovica during the recent war. You had said (on 5 October 2003) that you didn't know much about it. I did have some memory of it, did some research and updated the article accordingly. Then I found out about the events of yesterday. So, no link.
- No. It is deeply abusive piece of editing by you. I don't believe you that it is a coincidence, and even if it is, you could have waited. Why such a rush? Nikola 01:51, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Protected. Kingturtle 01:54, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks. -- ChrisO 01:58, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- This apparently is a reference to yesterday's violence in Kosovo, which (as far as I know) had nothing to do with Djakovica and certainly had nothing to do with the article in question. It's pure nationalist paranoia to suggest a link. And I think your comment that "I haven't even read what you have written" before deleting it all underlines the fact that this is a deeply abusive piece of editing by you. -- ChrisO 01:48, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I haven't even read what you have written. You could have posted it yesterday, you could have posted it tomorrow, but no, you HAD to do it today! And bad wiquette is better then no wiquette at all.
[edit] Population figures
Note for future reference - Statistical Office for Kosovo (apparently a government organisation) has a useful population estimates chart at http://www.sok-kosovo.org/pdf/population/Kosovo_and_its_population.pdf . Figures differ considerably from those given by The World Gazetteer. It seems prudent to use a credible official source rather than TWG; current figures are all estimates anyway given the lack of a census. -- ChrisO 02:14, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- ChrisO, the Statistical Offica of Kosovo has been set up by UNMIK and is governed jointly by internationals (UN staff) and local Kosovar staff. SOK has the most up-to-date data on Kosovo, and are always checked by international institutions to ensure correctness before reports are released. Also, you may find some useful information on the official website of Municipality of Gjakova. --Kosovar 17:59, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] On using Gjakova as name
<<St. Joanikije Google says is in Devic, Drenica - that is quite far away by Balkan standards. Try it. Gjakova was founded by Jak Vula in the 15 century. Acually the city for most of its history was called Jakova. The mosque library that held important documents regarding these events was burned by the Serbs in the first night of NATO attacks along with the Old Town. Taking all this in consideration and the the overwhelming Albanian composition of the population, shouldn't you call the city Gjakova instead of the Serb way. Just wondering :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianitd (talk • contribs) 06:42, 7 August 2004 (UTC)
- --Don't you worry about anything. Once Kosova gains its formal* independence, all these confusing Serbian manipulated names will be changed to what they were originally. -- user —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.17.19 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Djakovica who?
What is the procedure for changing the article's title itself? The city's name does and never had any link to the Serb language and it's definitely NPOV. You can clearly see that the name, an Albanian one, was taken and suffix "ica" added to it in order for the city name to sound more Serb-like.
Can anyone help out there?
--arianit 01:31, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Of course, this is especially visible in names of Vucitrn (Vushtrri), Istok (Istog), Pec (Peja), Kamenica (Kamenice) or Suva Reka (Suhareke). Nikola 04:50, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- What is visible, Nikola? That every city in Kosova has Serb origin because Kamenica and Suva Reka do? I think I explained what makes "Djakovica" different from other Serb toponyms: it's clearly a fabrication in later times from from the Albanian-Turkish name. I researched some more (http://gjakovainfo.com/historia/index1.htm if you know Albanian) and found out that Yal-ova (the version in Turkish) means the field of Jak. Still today Vula family is probably the biggest one in the city and any old person will tell you that it is the oldest. That Serbs came to Gjakova only in the 20th century shows the fact that there didn't exist any Orthodox church in or around Gjakova until the 20th century. --204.62.200.88 22:34, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- Oh, and maybe Djakovo in Croatia (500km north-west from Kosovo and there's no and never been Albanians, almost exclusevly Croatian and Serbian population) is also got the name from the famous Vula family!? You must be joking. Try this one: the name is derived from name "Jakov", vassal of the duke Vuk Brankovic (http://www.sumadinac.de/manastiri/manastiri_dj.htm). Although you're right about Sebs presence in XX st., Metohija was vastly Serb-populated area in the Middle Ages. Ottoman census from 1485 says that in willage of Djakovica were 67 homes with one priest, all people with Serbian names, with exeption of two names that might be Albanian.
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[edit] On writing the truth
Whoever created this website has no clue about what he is talking about. So you better close this webpage and dont write anymore false information, or if you dont then WE can do it, ok? Or another thing you can do is edit all the information that you put and write true information and all other statistics. ok. again by Fisnik Kurshumlija —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.251.116.207 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 11 August 2004 (UTC)
- As you're evidently a new user, might I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Wikiquette?
- Also, don't vandalise articles or you will find yourself being banned. -- ChrisO 08:04, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
How did this latest outbreak of vandalism go unnoticed for 2 days? I think we need to keep a closer eye on this article... :-( -- ChrisO 19:27, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Djakovica in the Kosovo War
POV comment moved here for review.
"Most of the Albanian population returned following the end of the war, and most of the non-Albanian population fled or was forced to leave. Acts of revenge against Serbs and other non-Albanians occurred after the war's end, the most notable case being the destruction of the historic Monastery of St. Joanikije.the Monastery It was only built after the Serbs came there and also in Gjakove we all new it as the Serbian street not more so 4% sounds a lot if you talk before the refugees from Croatia and Bosnia came to Kosovo as to keep them happy for Serbs loosing all their wars. Also if serbs did not come from ukranian mountens we would not have these problems."
Details of the monastery's establishment and destruction may be appropriate for inclusion, and may provide a context for the latter comments, but the rest of the argument fails to develop any NPOV analysis Nigosh 21:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I removed this from the article:
Đakovica has good resource for national development. Human resources are mainly the most important element for further development. Its most frequent mode of age is from 18 to 28. Youth is quit well educated, very good English speaker, and have high knowledge for Information and Technology. Đakovica has a picturesque setting. Its lack [Radoniqi] is one of the most beautiful places in Kosovo. Đakovica has very clear air because it is surrounded with hills and mountains.
Đakovica welcomes worldwide business for outsourcing since people are hospital, well prepared intellectually and government also is primed from infrastructural point of view.
Something could be written about recent investments in Djakovica, but this is not NPOV and not good English. Nikola 11:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Đakovica
Eksist not in Kosovo. You must learn at firt your language.--Hipi Zhdripi 17:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Name
If sombody have UN acceptit evidence that the name of the city is not Gjakova but is Đakovica, then this articel must be unter the name: Gjakova and the page named "Đakovica" must be redirect. My evidence you kann see in UNMIK oficiale page and documentation.--Hipi Zhdripi 00:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
- The territory is under temporary UN administration, as ruled in the Resolution 1244 (1999), adopted by the United Nations Security Council on 10 June 1999[1], where the UN reafirmed its commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (and its sucessor state, the Union of Serbia and Montenegro, after the country changed its name). Therefore, it is not up to the UN to invent new geographical denominations. I also like to remind you that this is English language wikipedia, so please make sure your contributions are up to standard regarding syntax and spelling, together with the use of commonly recognised geographic denominations (i.e. (Kosovska) Mitrovica is common in English, Mitrovice is not). Regards, Asterion 12:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Djakovica? And moreover cyrillic? Come on. This is an abuse of the authority that some people here have. UNMIK uses both the terms Gjakova and Djakovica. Population of Gjakova is 97% Albanian and that population calls their town Gjakova. Djakovica is a 20th century invention of the Serb occupation. Serb population at its highest point was only 3%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianit (talk • contribs) 18:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia articles are not named in accordance to UNMIK usage or the one of the local population, but in accordance to Wikipedia's naming conventions, which clearly states that "generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize." Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) further clarifies that "if you are talking about a [...] town, [...] use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works."
- In this specific case, for a number of historical reasons the English language has adopted the Serbo-Croatian name of this town. Usage may change in the future, and the Albanian form Gjakova may replace Djakovica in English usage. When/if that happens, Wikipedia should reflect that change. But not before. - Best regards, Ev 07:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo
The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )
The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)
- http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
- http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf
The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language.
RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43 UNMIK/REG/2000/43 27 korrik 2000 Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave ------------------------------------------- Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm, Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara, Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK) mbi autorizimin e Administratës së Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë, Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë, Shpall sa vijon: Neni 1 Numri dhe emrat e komunave Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e atyre komuniteteve. Neni 2 Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 3 Zbatimi Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 4 Ligji i zbatueshëm Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. Neni 5 Hyrja në fuqi Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000. Bernard Kouchner Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm
The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language.
UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara
tabel of contens >A<
TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.) Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb) Albanski Srpski 01 Deçan \Decani 02 Gjakovë \Djakovica 03 Gllogovc \Glogovac 04 Gjilan \Gnilane 05 Dragash \Dragas 06 Istog \Istok 07 Kaçanik \Kacanik 08 Klinë\ Klina 09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje 10 Kamenicë \Kamenica 11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica 12 Leposaviq \Leposavic 13 Lipjan \Lipqan 14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo 15 Obiliq \Obilic 16 Rahovec\ Orahovac 17 Pejë\ Pec 18 Podujevë\ Podujevo 19 Prishtinë \Pristina 20 Prizren \Prizren 21 Skenderaj\ Srbica 22 Shtime\ Stimqe 23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce 24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka 25 Ferizaj \Urosevac 26 Viti \Vitina 27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn 28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok 29 Zveçan\ Zvecan 30 Malishevë\ Malisevo
If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but are destroing the Wikipedia image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I --Hipi Zhdripi 20:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No argumet
No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents
Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gjakova city
We do not need two articles on same city, so I proposed merge of the Gjakova city to here since this article is much larger. Even if there is some contention about the proper naming of the city, WP:POV forks are not allowed. Shinhan 12:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Postal Code
Postal Code for Gjakove/Djakovica/Gjakova is 50000 according to this PDF. It also has postal code for the rest of Kosovo cities so feel free to use this source. Shinhan 09:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bulgarian heritage
I don't want to enter the Albanian-Serb edit conflict, I just want to emphasize that this town and its area had its Bulgarian Christian heritage, too. Its pre-1999 history should be added. --Vladko 01:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pre-1999 history
History before 1999 yer is unknown ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.166.251 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC) See diff.
[edit] Origin of the name
Mainly for Nikola Smolenski and Noah30: I really don't mind how the Serbian section is worded (belief, solid proof), as long as it is there, because it contains a source and so should not be removed. Because the Albanians also have two theories, I am saying that it is fair that it should all be on display: this is an encyclopaedia of course! :) Evlekis 18:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Name
I will pu the official name on brackets"()"--Bindicapriqi (talk) 15:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Distinguished people from Gjakova
Hi everybody, please do not put names of people that are not academics, heroes, great sportist... etc etc. For example:someone put the name of an electrician engineer and I deleted it.Lets try and keep the quality of this section very high.So please consider the qualifications criteria before putting someones name in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agimetepara (talk • contribs) 07:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
People, please dont put any names of Gjakova citizens who are not university doctors, famous writers, war martyrs or famous sportsman. Please dont put names of people who are just ordinary doctors, ordinary teachers or ordinary sportsman.Thank you.
