Talk:Étienne Brûlé
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[edit] To do to improve
The article is a good start if focused only on French influence on the North American continent, but considering he is a major figure in the former Nouvelle France, more is needed. Here are some ways to improve the article:
- Say more on his interactions with the Anishinaabe peoples (trade, negotiations, expeditions, etc.)
- Much more needs to be said about his trade and diplomatic negotiations with the Wendat peoples.
- More on the background of his youth that lead him to travel to New France would be helpful.
- What sort of customs did Brûlé adopt? Examples would be interesting.
- How (or assumed how) did Brûlé die? A discussion of the uncertainty would be helpful.
- After his death, how did he become an active character in not only the Canadian cultural identity, but also the Great Lakes cultural identity of the United States?
- Citation, citation, citation
- Break up into sections for ease of reading the article.
Please cross off the list as they have been completed. Thanks. CJLippert 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC) How are you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.7.224 (talk) 23:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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I'm wondering about the last sentence about Etienne Brule. He was eaten by the Hurons? If whoever wrote that could give me a source for that information I'd appreciate it.
- It was User:Maury Markowitz - I wrote the original article, and I just said he was killed by the Hurons. I'm not sure where Maury got the info that he was eaten. Adam Bishop 22:07, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] On Brûlé being eaten after his death by torture
As part of Wendat war rituals, prisoners would be tortured to death and the body parts being cut off would sometimes be eaten by the people attending the "ceremony". For example, relatives of the warriors that the prisoner had killed in battle would cut off a finger or an ear and eat it in front of the victim. As part of the ritual, the captive would be asked to sing his adonwé (a kind of a courage song) while the warriors would tear off his nails, cut his fingers, burn his skin all over, cut off parts of his body and eventually decapitate him.
There is evidence that the normal ritual was not performed on Brûlé after he was taken prisoner by a group of Wendat warriors. If we believe the history as it was reported at the time, Brûlé was found (by his children) crucified on a wooden cross at spring. Part of his chest on the heart's side was open.
That's what I know. If I can find the original source of this info, I will post it here. -- Mathieugp 19:28, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Copied from the Brule disambiguation page
Étienne Brûlé was a Frenchman employed by Samuel de Champlain to establish friendly Native American relations in parts of the North American interior, which is now present-day Canada. In the year 1632, an Native American tribe caught him robbing the grave of a sacred burial ground. Members of the tribe then proceeded to kill him and eat parts of his remains to avenge the atrocity. This instance is referred to as one of the many examples of excessive European interference with Native Americans, which resulted in disaster.
Cited from History Textbook: Liberty, Equality, Power
[edit] Just so you know
A living relative of Étienne Brule claims that Étienne's death is still a mystery, and therefore warrants investigation.
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[edit] His death
I have now seen three versions of what happened to him, he was killed and eaten, the was killed and buried, and he was killed on a cross. The reasons are equally varied. Most external sources I can find state that he was "killed for unknown reasons" after a quarrel, there is nothing about his capture by the Seneca, and the provided reference doesn't seem to say anything.
I'd recommend all of this be removed unless someone has a good reason not to.
Maury 22:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
