Talk:Éowyn

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Middle-earth Wikiproject This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle-earth, which aims to build an encyclopedic guide to J. R. R. Tolkien, his legendarium, and related topics. Please visit the project talk page for suggestions and ideas on how you can improve this and other articles.
Note: Though it states in the Guide to writing better articles that generally fictional articles should be written in present tense, all Tolkien legendarium-related articles that cover in-universe material must be written in past tense. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth/Standards for more information about this and other article standards.
Assessment
Start
This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale.
High
This article has been rated as high-importance on the importance scale.

Article Grading:
The article has been rated for quality and/or importance but has no comments yet. If appropriate, please review the article and then leave comments here to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article and what work it will need.
Film Portal
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Films. This project is a central gathering of editors working to build comprehensive and detailed articles for film topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Start
This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale.
Low
This article has been rated as Low-importance on the priority scale.

Thanks to Uriyan for adding to this article. My daughter's nickname is Éowyn. Ed Poor 08:26 Jul 23, 2002 (PDT)

Where it says how Éowyn and Merry killed the Nazgul it doesnt say that merry used the blade he found in the barrow-downs that was forged to kill the whitchking. If it wasnt for that one blade Éowyn and Merry would have been killed. She did not kill him because she was a women.

Weird, I edited this page once, then come back a few hours to find no edits or records of my edits on the history page. I will redo them, but if for some reason they later disappear again or show up on the history page as duplicates, I don't want you all tho think that I have lost it just yet!Fire Star 04:48, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well, the edits were stored on the "Edit this page" page. That is nice, but for some reason I'm not refreshing what I see with the latest page...Fire Star 04:51, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm glad there's a family tree. Let's add one to Éomer's as well.


Well, my name is Éowyn, so I hope the second one is correct. By the way, what is POV? I'm a newer user of this site and don't know everything about it yet.

POV = point of view. Wikipedia aims for NPOV, or neutral point of view, so anything that sounds prejudiced for or against the subject of the article is likely to be edited.

The article can't present two points of view without clearly labelling that they are POV. Tolkien knew how his names should be pronounced and wrote a great deal in the appendices to LOTR and elsewhere. Here he talks of this very point: "The 'outer' or Mannish names of the Dwarves have been given Northern forms, but the letter-values are those described. So also in the case of the personal and place-names of Rohan (where they have not been modernized), except that here éa and éo are diphthongs, which may be represented by the ea of English bear, and the eo of Theobald..."

There are recordings of Tolkien reading from his works - does anyone have him pronouncing these names? That should be definitive. Pete 00:53, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] The bogus connection with Celtic

The intro paragraph says:

The actors in the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy consistently mispronounce her name and the names of Éomer and Théoden, which both are pronounced similarly.

63.21.57.135 added:

Contrary to what others may believe, Éowyn is pronounced properly in the recent Peter Jackson adaptation of the Books by J. R. R. Tolkien.

So who is correct? I commented out the anon's addition for now because it sounded more POV. Dangerous Angel 09:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

So is that a good thing that the second post, which I added, was POV or not? Because I would say that if someone's name is Éowyn, that they should know how to pronounce it. When I tell people my name I get varying comments. Once I told someone and they said, "Don't you mean Arwen?" Good grief, I should think I could pronounce and remember my own name. But the origin is Gaelic, Éowyn is just a mutation of the original Øwyn. Tolkien probably felt he wanted to add his own touch, so they weren't either a Gaelic or a made-up people group, somewhere in between. (anonymous)

I removed this piece of info:
The pronunciation and spelling are Tolkien's variation of the original Gaelic "Øwyn" which is pronounced "ü-win".
Note that adding bogus information is vandalism.--Wiglaf 16:19, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Since when is saying The pronunciation and spelling are Tolkien's variation of the original Gaelic "Øwyn" which is pronounced "ü-win". Bogus? Something that is "bogus" is something that is useless, bad or fake. That comment was none of those.-Aldthain
Dear Aldthain, there are at least two pieces of bogus information in that text. Thanks for commenting. I realize that I'll have to watch this page from now on. Note, that I consider people who provide bogus info to be the greatest problem that Wikipedia is facing.--Wiglaf 21:33, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That still doesn't answer my question as to how any of that information is bogus. Maybe you could provide us with a link that disproves the information, or that proves otherwise? Instead of saying that something is totally wrong, explain it, then we shall be corrected.-Aldthain
OK, now for a lesson in verifying facts. Try to read the articles Scottish Gaelic language, Irish language, Welsh language and Celtic languages and then you read this article Ø. When you have done that you might realize that Ø has never existed in any Celtic language, and that Ø has never been pronounced ü except in imagination. Please note that if you persist in providing bogus info on Wikipedia you may be blocked.--Wiglaf 30 June 2005 06:37 (UTC)
Moreover, if you want me not to remove your additions in the future, you'd better cite sources and not ask those who identify your bogus additions to do that for you.--Wiglaf 30 June 2005 09:36 (UTC)

Sieg (censored) Heil!!!! Wiglaf has spoken! PRICK!! (oh thats POV in case anyone wonders..... anon

An anon with an IP very similar to Aldthain's has tried to remove this comment.--Wiglaf 6 July 2005 07:59 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess this means that you have understood that I am serious about bogus information in Wikipedia.--Wiglaf 1 July 2005 21:21 (UTC)

I looked this stuff up and here's hwat I found: é Eng. "Hey" http://www.standingstones.com/gaelpron.html

If the letter "e" in Irish has a síneadh (SHEEN-uh) over it -- é -- pronounce it like the first part of the vowel sound in English "may". Do not add the (ee) sound; say "may" very slowly, and you will hear it. Our pronunciation guide symbol for é is (ay*), in which the asterisk tells you that the sound resembles the English "ay" but has an audible difference.

   In pronouncing é, hold the sound for a longer time than you would the English sound (ay). Compare Irish "mé féin" (may* fay*n) with English "may feign".

   Practice on these words: sé (shay*); béal (bay*l); déan; fé; clé; réim (ray*m); spéir (spay*r).

From http://www.druidspath.com/library/language/gaeliclesson_75.htm

THe words listed on the site http://english.glendale.cc.ca.us/gaelic.html have the É making an "ay" sound.

http://www.contemporarypoetry.com/brain/lang/irish1.html#Pronunciation

Maybe this will help somebody.

                                      Amber

So did it help? -Amber

[edit] Intro Quote

Is it proper on Wikipedia to put a quote before the start of an article? It's poetic but does it adhere to Wikipedia standards? It struck me as weird...you wouldn't see such a thing in an encyclopedia. At least I don't believe so. Just a thought. --Doctorcherokee 21:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I heard that Éowyn was pronounced "Ay-o-whin" ??????

[edit] Removing of Wikilinks

(obsolete)

Why have the links in the links Shieldmaiden and Rohan been removed from the first sentence? I think we should reinclude them as they provide neccessary informaion. --Galadh 13:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I now have reincluded the links --Galadh 14:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

So did anyone ever resolve the issue of pronunciation? --illuvatar

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Eowyn2.jpg

Image:Eowyn2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 04:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Other uses of Eowyn

There is a singer/band named Eowyn, but I don't see it on this page --AndrewZ