Talk:(What's the Story) Morning Glory?
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(What's the Story) Morning Glory? was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: February 24, 2007 |
[edit] Track listing v. Booklet
Why do the lyrics in the booklet appear in a different order than the songs themselves?
[edit] Warning about false sales information
Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, and as such has to contain accurate and unbiased information. Please note - it is NOT a fan website. There have been several problems recently with users posting false information regarding worldwide sales figures on this page in particular, most specificially they have been inflating the figures to 19-20 million without any evidence to back up such a claim. This constitutes "vandalism" of the Wikipedia site and will not be tolerated.
The two anonymous users who have commited this act on 15 & 16 March 2007 have already had their IP addresses traced to Tiscali UK and IP Fjarskipti in Iceland. If they, or any other users persist in posting deliberately false information or data they cannot prove, they will be reported to their Internet Service Providers (who hold records of user activity) without further warning.
Is supposed to be some kind of threat? I mean, your intentions are good (stopping vandalism), but what good would contacting an ISP do? It's more likely, they would laugh at you. 69.19.14.22 06:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Worldwide Sales
and WHAT available data and certifications, comedian??? dozens of magazines, books, journalists (sorry i can not name those at hte moment) said, wrote, that it HAS sold more than 20 million(last one: in german "guitar"-magazine 4/2007(22 million).in a german "rocklexikon" ..sorry, i will tell later, they wrote 19 million, that was BEFORE wikipedia-times(ca. 1999)
Honestly, I dont know what planet Oasis fanboys live on. This album has not sold anywhere near 20 million copies worldwide. As of 2007, it had sold approximately 8.5 million in the UK and US together (the album's two biggest markets), but sales elsewhere in the world were rather more modest and do not come close to bringing the total up to 20 million. The current calculation as of Feb 2007 is just over 15 million based on available data and certifications.
[edit] Which Genre
This is something that needs to be standardised between all of the Oasis albums. I do not like the change to britpop. Oasis are a rock'n'roll band. Why try to change that? Also, the majority of the albums are listed as rock (all except DM, Masterplan and now this).
Does anyone else hold strong views on this? --Apyule 07:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- no-one has mentioned anything here yet, so I'm going to take this discussion to the main Oasis article talk page. --Apyule 03:06, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
-Yes Oasis are a Rock band but they are also a britpop band. In fact they are probably the figure head of britpop and the most associated band with Britpop. In the 90's the media labelled the battle between Oasis and Blur as the fight for the title of "King of Britpop". Also in the documentary "Live Forever", which was about the rise and fall of Britpop, not only did Noel and Liam feature heavily, but the the documentary was named after the hit Oasis song. Oasis are Britpop, anyone who thinks otherwise is probably American and doesn't know what Britpop is. :David
- Britpop isnt a sound, its just a term coined by magazines (ie NME) for bands reviving the popularity in British guitar music. Morning Glory is a rock album. If not, we could settle on Britrock 172.209.86.140 14:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
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- I second that. Britpop was a movement, rather than a certain genre of music (Black Grape, Dubstar and Paul Weller had nothing in common, musically). Even if we accept Britpop as a genre, the archetyal Britpop sound was affected and insincere, e.g. Blur, Menswear, or Pulp, rather than the less intellectually-inclined Oasis. -Ashley Pomeroy 20:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Location of cover photo
Could someone please confirm the exact location of the cover photo. AFAIK it's in Soho, London, but I' can't say exactly where. ProhibitOnions
Still wondering... ProhibitOnions 18:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- Berwick Street, Soho, London. And one of roads running off Berwick Street is called Noel Street. Mr. Monobrow 22:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
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- How about that. I've walked by there hundreds of times. Thanks for that, I'm adding it to the article right now. ProhibitOnions 23:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
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- I searched for this a while ago, but there were many pages about Oasis, none of which mentioned the cover location. Adding the search term "Berwick St" turned up several sites, one of which has a location shoot, so I've added a link as well. Thanks again. ProhibitOnions 23:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Habit
In Britain and Ireland it became habit when asked "What's the story?" (lit. "How are you?"), to answer with "Morning glory". It well became common amongst the youth. I, for one, did it then and still do it now as a joke.--Play Brian Moore 00:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- Just because you and friends of yours did it, you can't claim it "became common in Britain and Ireland". You'd really need evidence of that, something like a magazine article or some other professional cultural article. --Mr. Monobrow 10:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- the line said it bacame 'habbit', it doesn't say anything about it being a national phenomenon. It was certainly a common enought thing. Keep it out if you wish but the line doesn't claim anything more than a truth.--Play Brian Moore 19:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- "Habit", "common", same thing. The fact that you mentioned Britain and Ireland suggest that it was widespread. I'm not saying it wasn't common where you were living, but to include that line in the article, you need to have a contemporary reference. --Mr. Monobrow 11:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- "Habit", "common", same thing. Thats true but a habit/common are not the same as national phenomenon. Hence, my point being the line doesn't claim that it became anything more than a common habbit. Perhaps it should just say it was just common amongst the people who listened to Oasis or the 4.5 million people in Britain alone who bought the album.--Play Brian Moore 23:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- If you know that for a fact and have a reference, then fine. But do you? --Mr. Monobrow 10:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- "Habit", "common", same thing. Thats true but a habit/common are not the same as national phenomenon. Hence, my point being the line doesn't claim that it became anything more than a common habbit. Perhaps it should just say it was just common amongst the people who listened to Oasis or the 4.5 million people in Britain alone who bought the album.--Play Brian Moore 23:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- "Habit", "common", same thing. The fact that you mentioned Britain and Ireland suggest that it was widespread. I'm not saying it wasn't common where you were living, but to include that line in the article, you need to have a contemporary reference. --Mr. Monobrow 11:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- the line said it bacame 'habbit', it doesn't say anything about it being a national phenomenon. It was certainly a common enought thing. Keep it out if you wish but the line doesn't claim anything more than a truth.--Play Brian Moore 19:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Updated official sales list:
In July 2006, the BPI updated its official top 10 selling albums list:
Source: http://www.bpi.co.uk/stats/content_file_126.shtml
1. BEATLES - SGT PEPPER’S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND
2. MICHAEL JACKSON - BAD
3. DIRE STRAITS - BROTHERS IN ARMS
4. OASIS - (WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY
5. MADONNA - IMMACULATE COLLECTION
6. ABBA - GOLD
7. SIMPLY RED - STARS
8. QUEEN - GREATEST HITS
9. MICHAEL JACKSON - THRILLER
10. SHANIA TWAIN - COME ON OVER
LAST UPDATED – July 2006Rimmers 13:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
but BROTHERS IN ARMS is only 13x Platinum and BAD is only 13x Platinum but (WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY is 14x Platinum
- They used to be - but the BPI - who are the ones that issue the sales certificates - have been updating their material this year to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the albums chart. So although the your right in terms of the certificates that are listed on the database, in terms of the current top 10 list - Morning Glory is now the 4th biggest seller, not the second. Those certificates will be updated at some point this year...but the current, official is now correct, and MG is #4. Rimmers 14:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Note that this table has changed, as of August 2007 - it now goes Queen, Beatles, Oasis, Dire Straits, Abba, Pink Floyd, Queen, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Madonna. Shania Twain and Simply Red are off the list, what a shame. -Ashley Pomeroy 20:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fix
it says "in the Spring and Summer of 1996 with half a dozen massive open air concerts in the UK, which included two nights at Knebworth in front of a combined audience of 250,000 people."
and was it not 250,000 people each night , and did 2,600,000 million people aply for tickets Bobo6balde66 19:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- No it was 125,000 each of the two nights. I've added the fact about 2.6 million applicants.--Play Brian Moore 19:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources?
What facts need sourcing?--Play Brian Moore 19:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
- The technical answer would be all of them which is a bit unfeasible, but the more facts with sources the better. --Apyule 23:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- Technically I should thank you for giving me a smart arse asnwer but the less gratitude paid to your last comment, the better.--Play Brian Moore 19:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikiquote?
Wikiquote has material related to this article? No it doesn't! Anton1234 01:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Failed "good article" nomination
This article failed good article nomination.
I'm sorry, but there are very few citations and the sources that are posted don't follow the correct format. There are also quite a few unsourced statements that could be taken as POV without a source.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. --Scorpion 05:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Profesional Reviews
Can someone change the Q magazine star rating, not just for Morning Glory but for all the albums, these ratings should indicate what the album got on the original review, not what they were changed to later on in Oasis specials or whatever.
I believe Morning Glory was 3 star, Definitely Maybe was 4 star, Be Here Now was 5 star and SOTSOG was 4 star
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[edit] Lightfoot
Gordon Lightfoot did a song with this name also. Is there any connection? DS 19:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Recording Info
I think the info concerning the recording history of the album is very poor, I was wondering if someone could expand on that part of the article, since the other Oasis album articles give some sort of idea on how they were made. Pendot57 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pendot57 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moved here from article
[edit] Miscellanea
- "Hello" contains elements of Gary Glitter's "Hello Hello I'm Back Again" as Liam jokingly sings part of the song's chorus when the song begins to fade out. In addition, it begins with the riff from "Wonderwall" being played very quietly.
- On the cover of the album a man is seen brandishing what looks to be a vinyl record in its sleeve. This is in fact the master tape for the album. The man in question is Owen Morris, the producer. The photo was taken on Berwick Street in Soho, a London street well known for its independent record shops. The other man is BBC London's Sean Rowley.
