Talk:ZEDO
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Zedo is actually an ad serving system that connects publishers with their advertisers. A publisher would be a site like MySpace, and an advertiser would be the company that wants to show their ad on MySpace. The company connecting the two is an ad network, and Zedo sells the software that these ad network use. More than one ad network use the Zedo software, and Zedo doesn't have any control over what ads their clients show. It's entirely likely that even the company running the ad network using the Zedo system doesn't know that the ads they ran caused the negative feedback in this article, but the article's wholly negative slant should help to demonstrate it's lack of credibility.
- I notified Zedo so that they can correct this article. I'm sure they could do a much better job than I could of describing their products and services. DoGooderJohnnyD 21:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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- The defacement has been reverted and the dispute tag has been removed. DoGooderJohnnyD 21:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree with the {{advert}} tag, so I thought I'd try to cut down on the very-much-like-advertising verbiage -- some of the details weren't needed in an article, in my opinion, or at least didn't have to be in bulleted detail. -- ArglebargleIV 17:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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- This is what I suspected. Zedo has a part in drafting and putting Articles on Zedo in Wikipedia. Actually Zedo does not serve its ads the way Ads are served on Internet. The ads occupy a place on the Web sites with the permission of the publishers of the Articles. Zedo ads don't occcupy any place on the websites. The Ads are targetted to the owners of the Computers by means of Pop ups. Zedo Software is installed on to the Computers without the permission of the owners of the computers and these owners are subjected to persistent pop ups promoting the products or serices of the Clients of the Zedo. The software is installed on to the Computers by means of Trojan Horses and Executable files that remain Undetected by the anti-virus softwares such as those belonging to Norton or Microsoft "Windows Defender". The Zedo pop Ups always get marked by the Internet Industry as "powered By Zedo" whether Zedo Likes it or not. For example one of its many clients is "REGISTRY CLEANER". When a computer is raided by Registry Cleaner The words "Powered by Zedo" always appear. Cookies and Zedo Pop Ups have nothing to do with each other. Zedo does not get accused of anything because of any reasons given in Zedo Articles. It get accused because of its modes of operation. Zedo ads are not directed at the visitors to the Internet Sites. They are directed at the owners of the Computers used to access these Sites. There is no excuse to keep cookies on the computers atleast without the permission of the owners. These cookies are merely there to signal when the Computer is Logged on. A client is supposed to access these ads by clicking on the ads. Zedo makes its Ads available to the owners of the Computers without their clicking anything. Removal of the Software installed on the Computers by Zedo is a major business. ZEDO culpability is amply covered by All search engines under the Keywords "powered by Zedo", Zedo-Adware", "Zedo-Trojan Horse", "Removal of Zedo", Zedo-Pop Ups", "Zedo-viruses" These things are not covered in Zedo aricles and must be covered to protect the image of Wikipedia as a knowledgable encyclopedia.
fakir00516:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is what I suspected. Zedo has a part in drafting and putting Articles on Zedo in Wikipedia. Actually Zedo does not serve its ads the way Ads are served on Internet. The ads occupy a place on the Web sites with the permission of the publishers of the Articles. Zedo ads don't occcupy any place on the websites. The Ads are targetted to the owners of the Computers by means of Pop ups. Zedo Software is installed on to the Computers without the permission of the owners of the computers and these owners are subjected to persistent pop ups promoting the products or serices of the Clients of the Zedo. The software is installed on to the Computers by means of Trojan Horses and Executable files that remain Undetected by the anti-virus softwares such as those belonging to Norton or Microsoft "Windows Defender". The Zedo pop Ups always get marked by the Internet Industry as "powered By Zedo" whether Zedo Likes it or not. For example one of its many clients is "REGISTRY CLEANER". When a computer is raided by Registry Cleaner The words "Powered by Zedo" always appear. Cookies and Zedo Pop Ups have nothing to do with each other. Zedo does not get accused of anything because of any reasons given in Zedo Articles. It get accused because of its modes of operation. Zedo ads are not directed at the visitors to the Internet Sites. They are directed at the owners of the Computers used to access these Sites. There is no excuse to keep cookies on the computers atleast without the permission of the owners. These cookies are merely there to signal when the Computer is Logged on. A client is supposed to access these ads by clicking on the ads. Zedo makes its Ads available to the owners of the Computers without their clicking anything. Removal of the Software installed on the Computers by Zedo is a major business. ZEDO culpability is amply covered by All search engines under the Keywords "powered by Zedo", Zedo-Adware", "Zedo-Trojan Horse", "Removal of Zedo", Zedo-Pop Ups", "Zedo-viruses" These things are not covered in Zedo aricles and must be covered to protect the image of Wikipedia as a knowledgable encyclopedia.
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- What I see now looks more like the bulk of the article has been thrown out rather than cleaned up. Sending an E-mail to Zedo about the original defacement was an act of laziness on my part. I didn't want to rewrite the article and trusted that cleaning up an article written about the product by the publishers would be easier than fixing the vandalism. It sounds like that choice opens up the door to more problems. The current incarnation of the article seems to lack detail. We should probably add in links to ad serving and related articles to give background on what this software is without sounding like a brochure. --DoGooderJohnnyD 19:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't see where anything I or the people above said can be taken as an indication that ZEDO is editing this article. Just because the article read too much like an advertisement (in my opinion), it doesn't mean that ZEDO was entering text into the article. -- ArglebargleIV 21:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I just replied to the above remark by User ArglebargleiV. I don't see my reply anywhere. I don't want to get into trouble by Reproducing what doGooderJohnny D said. " I notified Zedo so that they can correct this article. I'm sure they could do a much better job than I could of describing their products and services. DoGooderJohnnyD 21:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)". I think the Wikipedia articles must not be drafted by product and service vendors and if they have to deny anytthing they should do it in writing, under oath taken before a Notary public to provide creditability to Wikpedia content. ----fakir005 17:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- We don't need any oaths. We have a conflict of interest policy that sufficiently covers such situations. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I just replied to the above remark by User ArglebargleiV. I don't see my reply anywhere. I don't want to get into trouble by Reproducing what doGooderJohnny D said. " I notified Zedo so that they can correct this article. I'm sure they could do a much better job than I could of describing their products and services. DoGooderJohnnyD 21:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)". I think the Wikipedia articles must not be drafted by product and service vendors and if they have to deny anytthing they should do it in writing, under oath taken before a Notary public to provide creditability to Wikpedia content. ----fakir005 17:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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- How should this matter of Zedo be resolved. DoGooderJohnnyD has admitted that he is letting Zedo Edit the section that pertains to Zedo. Zedo is is using the WIKIPEDIA all over the search engines to proclaim itself an adserver whereas the entire world is calling Zedo a dangerous Adware that is difficult to be removed. I appreciate ZimZalaBim saying that there is a way to handle conflict of Interest. How would this matter be handled so that wikipedia is not the only entity in the world calling Zedo an adserver. Would Some ADMINSTRATOR do a search on Zedo in the search Enginnes Yahoo, Google, AOL using the kwywords 'Powered By Zedo', 'Removal of Zedo', 'Zedo-Adware', 'Zedo-Spyware', 'zedo popups.
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- Zedo section itself states that it looks like an Ad. Zedo is under control of Wikipedia pages as admitted by doGooderJohnnyD who says he informs Zedo of all the Zedo developments at Wikipedia. I've offered to discuss this matter privately through emails rather than publicily through this talk. But no body has taken up my offer. It is obvious that Zedo can't be verified as an Adserver. But it can be verified as an Adware inspite of Zedo Denials. May Be all other Adwares be allowed to create their own pages at Wikipedia if Zedo is going to be allowed to Create its own page. -----fakir005 15:10 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Zedo serves ads - they are an ad server. That is a proper term to describe the company. They also have been accused of being adware/spyware. That is also mentioned (and cited) in the article. Regarding Zedo editing themselves, if you have evidence/proof other than DoGooderJohnnyD's mention that he's notified Zedo of the article's existence, please present it. If edits are discovered to have been made in violation of the conflict of interest policy, we'll remove them. I'm concerned, however, with the sense that you seem to have some kind of vendetta against this company, which might actually present a conflict of interest of its own.--ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Zedo section itself states that it looks like an Ad. Zedo is under control of Wikipedia pages as admitted by doGooderJohnnyD who says he informs Zedo of all the Zedo developments at Wikipedia. I've offered to discuss this matter privately through emails rather than publicily through this talk. But no body has taken up my offer. It is obvious that Zedo can't be verified as an Adserver. But it can be verified as an Adware inspite of Zedo Denials. May Be all other Adwares be allowed to create their own pages at Wikipedia if Zedo is going to be allowed to Create its own page. -----fakir005 15:10 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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