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[edit] New Zealand
The nation of New Zealand gains it's name from this island. When the Island was discovered by a Dutch explorer, it was named after the Dutch Province of Zeeland. However, the English mistakenly thought it had been named after Zealand, and referred to it as New Zealand.
I'd very much like to see a reference for this, because every other reference I have seen explicitly contradicts this - Zeeland was the name which inspired New Zealand, not Sjaelland. Zealand is/was the English translation of the Dutch province of Zeeland. --kudz75 01:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I think that there are nothing that will stop you from removing it (and the notice in the disambig line), and adding a note about that New Zealand was not named after the island, also adding a note in the edit summary to check the talk page. If there is anyone out there that comes up with any evidence, take a discussion about it. -- Elisson | Talk 13:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- I think it is enough that the disambiguation text at the start refer to the accepted explanations.--Per Abrahamsen 20:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
"However, the Dutch state Zeeland was named after Danish merchants who traded with the Dutch." - That's ridiculous Zeeland means "land of the sea" and does not in any way refer to the Danes. I remove this statement. MaartenVidal 21:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Groningish
an excerpt from the article:
When the Pacific Ocean island was discovered by Groningish explorer Abel Tasman...
What does Groningish mean? Best solution would be to wiki-link it... but the word is completely strange to me. -- Fudoreaper 07:39, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
I suspect it means that he came from the city or province of Groningen... But I've never seen the word either... --Thf1977 12:12, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Changed to Groninger Theodore W. 09:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, cool. But how does that help us understand the meaning? groninger is still a red-link. -- Fudoreaper 00:02:09, 2005-08-06 (UTC)
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- Should be linked to Groningen (province)Theodore W. 06:27, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
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- Thanks, Theodore W. I updated the link just now, works perfectly. -- Fudoreaper 18:32:03, 2005-08-12 (UTC)
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[edit] Souls and seals
I have deleted this remark under etymology:
- "In ancient Danish seal (sæl) and "soul" (sjæl) are very closely related words, as seals were thought to be souls of lost seamen."
The two words are unrelated (cf. Niels Åge Nielsen, Dansk etymologisk ordbog, 1990, s.vv. sæl and sjæl). 192.38.32.3 14:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seal and steal
I've read a passage of old norse mythology giving another explanation to the name. In this story, a god in disguise of a man with two oxes come to the king of present Mälaren Valley-area and asks for some land. The king agrees that he will be given the amount of land he with his oxes can plough in one day. His oxes having supernatural powers, he manages to plough the whole of the area today being the lake Mälaren. After having ploughed the land, he dug it free and attached it to his oxes and made them swim out in the Baltic sea. All the way down to outside of the coast of Scania he made them pull the stolen land. Hence the lake Mälaren and the island Sjælland, "steal-land", from the word for steal, today "stjæle". Can anyone confirm or present evidence against? Yenx 20:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mythology
I don't think the text of the norse mythology is correct. If I remember correctly this story is only Swedish mythology, and in fact written during the middle ages as fake norse mythology. The same stories that claims Odin to by a swedish king.
