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Glad you finally decided to join our secret Cabal and help take over the world!join Wikipedia as a registered user! If you run into any questions, please feel free to leave a note on my talkpage! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 04:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about Notability, Verifiable info (Originally from [[User talk:Kylu)

Hey, thanks for the welcome message! You said to ask you if I had any questions, so here goes.

  • I recently found that my school has an entry in Wikipedia. The article is short, with a decent intro, but the specific details are just kind of random, not very broad or informative. My question is this: can I expand the page (as an "expert"), with the idea that some data is better than no data-- or should I leave it, until someone who carries around verifiable sources (newspaper articles, maybe?) comes along?
  • Wikipedia has entries on several webcomics, as well as the concept itself, but not one of my personal favorites. As I understand it, Wikipedia is not just a general-purpose encyclopedia, but also a collection of more specialized encyclopedias (hence the number of detailed articles on individual species of plants, computer terminology, philosophy, etc.) On the other hand, I've heard complaints from people who say WP is becoming cluttered with trivia, and there are rules (guidelines?) about notability. So, should I go ahead and write the page (I consider it significant-- it's about the second webcomic I ever heard of), or leave off, because it's not notable and would just get deleted anyway? --Zatchmort 21:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


  1. There's no problem with your expanding the page on your school and in fact we welcome you to do so! So, saying that, there's the catches. When you go to edit an article, it says (right below the edit box, actually) Content must not violate any copyright and must be based on verifiable sources.
    There's important stuff here: Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability are directly named. If I put "The house at 10292 on my block is owned by a family of five and the head of household is a Politician", it may well be truth, but if it's not verifiable, reliable source then the information needn't be included. Ideas though: Does your school paper have a website? How about the PTA or School Board? I bet there are more citable sources than you think there are. :)
  2. As far as your webcomic goes, I have a funny way of determining notability on something "Iffy" like that. First, google the thing and see if there are a lot of mentions on sites other than the comic. Typically at around 500 hits, I start thinking the content is 'pedia-worthy. That's like asking how you vote on an AfD though, really. Check out Wikipedia:Notability (web). If you absolutely can't decide... well, y'know, write the article anyway. Do a good job. If it gets deleted for being non-notable, then your question is answered! :D Seriously though, if it gets deleted for "fails to establish notability" then that's where you really want to focus. Determine if and why the webcomic is notable. Attempt to explain this in the article. Compare to other similar articles.
  3. Lastly, if the community decides that your contribution doesn't live up to its standards, make sure you don't take it personally. If you have the opportunity, make the article content better. If it's a notability issue and about to be speedy-deleted, put {{holdon}} on the article page and talk it out with the people that feel it's not notable. Network with people, establish dialog, communicate. That's what we're good at. :) Ask if they'll change it from a speedy-delete to a {{prod}} or possibly AfD.
I really hope that helped you a bit. I do mean it, though... if you have questions, just ask me. I love to help! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 21:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ATT Poll

Did you realize you put your vote in the 3rd section "Neutral/qualified/compromise/other"? Just asking. Johnbod 21:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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