User talk:Zara1709

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[edit] Ostara (magazine)

Whether or not it's right wing (and I don't know anything about it - so no claim either way from me), (1)it is a POV statement to say it is, and (2) it is completely irrelevant in a disambiguation line linking it from an unrelated page. Aleta 22:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Excuse my rigorous tone, but

1) it is not point-of-view to state that the magazine Ostara was right-wing. If 'right-wing' is to ambiguous for you, I could substitute it with 'racist' or 'anti-Semitic'. In 'Ostara' Lanz von Liebenfels claimed that the aryan race was superior to all other races, especially to the so-called Semitic ones. This, of course, was his subjective opinion. That he had that point-of-view and elaborated it in the magazine Ostara, however, is an objective statement.

2) Furthermore, the magazine Ostara is not unrelated to the Ostara of this article. The Magazine Ostara was named after a supposed pagan Godness Ostara. Treating Ostara and Ostara (magazine) in different articles might actually qualify as a POV fork (see Wikipedia:Content forking). I know that most neopagans would absolutely rejecet the views of Lanz von Liebensfels; but there is a relation between Germanic mysticism and Germanic neopaganism. I think this should definitely be mentioned here. Zara1709 23:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, well I removed it again (either just before or just after posting my comments above. I still disagree with you, but if you put it back, I'll leave it alone, at least for the time being. As for the separate articles, I take your point about their being related as one is named for the other. However, one is a holiday, the other a magazine - two completely different entities - so I do not think it is a POV fork for them to be in separate articles. (Likewise, I would not a magazine called Christmas necessarily to be in the article on the holiday Christmas.) Aleta 23:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I don't know if you're aware of it, but I just discovered that there are nearly identical articles called Ostara and Ostara (Easter festival). I've posted proposed merger tags on the two pages. I though you might be interested. Aleta 23:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I look it up tomorrow. I have to be in the library anyway, since I'm writing a term paper on a related topic. Brief notes on Ostara are somewhere in: "Wilfried Daim: Der Mann, der Hitler die Ideen gab. Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels." I am quite sure that the speculation about a Goddness called Ostara was first, Lanz named his magazine after her and a holiday with that name is even a more recent invention, like a neopagan Easter. And unlike Christmas, a holiday called 'Ostara' is only observed by a really small minority. Also there doesn't need to be a separate article for every topic, especially not if they are such short articles anyway. Zara1709 00:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)