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Info I am On a Wikibreak I will be returning to Wikipedia infrequently I’m disturbed by #Message on my talk page and I will not be responding to that message for some time.
Archive
Archives
  1. For great justice Conflict
  2. March & April 2006
  3. Things that were never on my talk page


Contents

Politics template

Thanks for your comment. The article is one of the articles listed in the Portal:Politics. All these articles have now this template, except when there is another template of an Politics series involved (e.g. template:Socialism. It helps people finding related pages. A seperate votings template is certainly a good idea, but as long as it isn't made, I prefer using this template. Shall we make that template? Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 07:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Template:Unsigned

Conversation pulled from both talk pages

If somebody forgets to sign a comment just sign it for them using Template:Unsigned [1]--E-Bod 21:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

May I suggest using Template:Unsigned.

  1. It tells us who left the message
  2. It let's users know that they can't use not signing a message as a way to hide the message

[2] [3]

--E-Bod 21:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank You for the additional info, Yskyflyer. I really appreciate it! --Siva1979Talk to me 02:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[4] LOL--E-Bod 03:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

However, is there an easier way to do this? If I ignore the failure of other users to sign their messages, this problem may go out of hand. Does that mean that I have to go to the history page of the article to find which user had created their last message without signing off each time I do this? If this is so, I would then have to continue to do this if I come across any unsigned messages. Any suggestions? --Siva1979Talk to me 07:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
You can Remind them User to Sign their posts, But I would recommend against reminding user who usually sign their posts and forgets now and then. You can check the User's Contributions.

I just found {{subst:Sign}} but i Don't like it's wording and it may be a message for other users that one puts on their talk page.

I would suggest something like this

Example

Hello. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Thanks and happy editing.

End Example

Fix link

you may want to fix the link in your DB--E-Bod 04:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Trying to, looks like a glitch in the db template. Any ideas? -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 04:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I Take the article was deleted (because my link won't work anymore) so there is nothing to fix. You can ask on the Template's talk page about the glitch so somebody can fix it. Though I think you might have not pasted the full URL into the Box. (Off Topic now) I read a bug report somewhere that sometime editing long pages the bottom of the page gets deleted. When this has happened to me after i read about it so their are bugs in the system--E-Bod 21:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Link Summary

[5] Please (Next time) Explain in the Edit summary why you reverted. (I was shocked to see the edit was removed so I went to the user's talk page to find out why. Saying in the Edit summary why you are removing content from a talk page would Save Other users time from having to investigate why the comment was removed.)--E-Bod 20:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree it would be better if I had used a edit summary on all of them, but there were about 50 reversions required. I did think about how the people who had the talk pages reverted would see it, and hoped they would go to the talk page as you did. Pluses and minuses, and I guess I took the lazy route, but that's the reason anyway :) - cohesion 21:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

AWB

My edit did NOT only affect white space - it also uncodified several other sections of the page, which you can see by scrolling further down the diff. Cynical 07:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The Previous edit was an edit pasted onto several talk pages. I Didn't even comment on the talk page other than say i agree with the previous statement which was about this edit. The comment on this talk page seems to referring to a totally different, still unjustifiable edit. Most likely this edit. The comment i was agreeing with applies to several earlier edits like this one where the user make 2 consecutive white space edits with AWB. Further talk about this Issue and all the comments is on

User_talk:Cynical#AWB

The comment on my talk page is not a personalized edit responding to a comment I made--E-Bod 22:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

AWB

I will certainly take on board your suggestion to participate in disambig link repair - I hadn't thought of using AWB for that. The reason I modified AWB to remove the 'check page' function is that I can edit Wikipedia more efficiently (I have limited Wikipedia time at the moment due to exams) using AWB than using a browser, and therefore it is beneficial to Wikipedia for me to use AWB rather than a browser.

The 'rephrasing' you refer to is in fact necessary - given that Wikipedia articles strive to be as accurate as possible, I think it is important to refer to an organisation's actual name rather than an incorrect common name - for example, most references to the United Kingdom use the term 'United Kingdom' (the actual name) rather than 'Great Britain' (a common, but incorrect, name). Of course there are certain circumstances where this is not appropriate, and in those cases I an capable of (and indeed I did, yesterday) using the 'ignore' button to not make the edit on that particular article. Cynical 09:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

What is the 'check page' function--E-Bod 21:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

RV of Electionworld politic template

You wrote:

I disagreed with Electionworld's edits but now he is changing .. And it doesnt look so bad anymore. By the way please explain your reverts in the edit summary. more than just a revert but an explanation. I did agree with your reverts but now there is a more appropriate template to use

You're right, I probably didn't go about that in the best way. I still think the template is too long and shouldn't be in articles that aren't part of the series. It also is somewhat arbitrary in the electoral systems it chooses to include.

To be honest in most cases I can't see why these things are necessary. Apart from increasing clutter, and getting in the way of any nice pictures, they don't perform any task not already done adequately by embedded links, the 'see also' section and the category system. Yet some Wikipedians seem to think we need huge templates everywhere. Iota 15:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that sometimes it is totally unnecessary. However an example of the template being non-intrusive and helpful is with the template on Retina#External links Or Google#Google.27s content links or any other Template on the Bottom. It's just those long ones on the sides of pages, that displace useful stuff, bother me. When it is nicely on the bottom and links to parent sister and children articles that it is useful. However i agree Many times these template are not useful.--E-Bod 20:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
However an example of the template being non-intrusive and helpful is with the template on Retina#External links Or Google#Google.27s content links or any other Template on the Bottom

As another example, maybe you'll be interested to know that I created Template:Politics of the Republic of Ireland2 (which goes at the bottom) to replace Template:Politics of the Republic of Ireland (which goes at the top right) on some articles. I've swapped the template on articles where it was getting in the way of nice pictures, but left the old one in others. Iota 23:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Great! I love it. If you wanted to go even further you can make sub templates for each of the points to make the main one smaller.--E-Bod 23:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Cookies

The admins are purging part of the history that contains personal information. Unfortunately, this has happened before in other featured articles.—G.He 03:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Further talk on Talk:HTTP cookie#Ahhh--E-Bod 05:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

History Purges

Yes, I might be able to delete those reversions, but there is a minor problem. There one reversion in between [6], which would also be deleted. I need to look through it and see if anyone else posted to that section, if anyone did, I can't delete it. Give me a minute. Prodego talk 03:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm' pretty strict on arching myself. The comment you can't remove is still on my talk page. and it was replying to a question i asked--E-Bod 03:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, here is the problem. If I delete those revisions, then this edit will be merged with this one. That would make it look like User:For great justice. posted a comment signed by Tigershark. That is questionable legally, as the GFDL requires we keep proper authorship. I'll let you know if the signature is enough after I look into it (expect several (10?) hours), I recall this being brought up on WP:AN. I'll get back to you, Prodego talk 03:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh. Couldn't you just ask User:TigerShark to resign the comment and leave a comment on User:For great justice. that it was not a false signature. Of course I understand how the issue gets more complicated because that comment by User:For great justice. was the top of an edit dispute (about archiving ironically)--E-Bod 04:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
There is a precedent about the signatures here, so I'll go ahead and do it. You may want to let Tigershark know. Prodego talk 04:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, in an amazing feat of good luck, Tigershark happened to expand his comment at exactly the right time, so the authorship is correct. All done. Prodego talk 04:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

joebot edits

thanks for the thanks e-bod; and thanks for not hitting the emergency shutoff button...i know how damn tempting don't buttons can be.... ;) JoeBot 05:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin so I don't think anything would happen if I did press it. anyway I made a comment on the template talk page first. Template_talk:Emergency-bot-shutoff#Stop Tempting Me.--E-Bod 05:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually I don't mind if you remove part of my comment if you think it might tempt people to press it even more. By the way you could use Google toolbar on FireFox for spelling fixes.--E-Bod 05:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Please note that the 3RR rule applies only if 4 or more edits are made within a span of 24 hours. I do not believe more than one edit was made under 24 hours Mineralè 06:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. Sorry about the warning. I have striked it out now. I was just annoyed that when I checked the edit history the page was reverted several times. Sometimes it is better for the page to say wrong for a while and to be fixed later when tings cool down than for editors to fix it themselves. When i saw the edit history it looked like the other user spent allot of time editing the article and then you just undid it all with the click of a few buttons. I don't think you were any longer paying attention to what you were reverting because you reverted my edit when you reverted the other editors edit. My AWB white space edit probably make it more difficult to tract the changes. I wasn't expecting it to be caught in the middle of an edit war where it would matter. I Put the warning on your page because i put it on the other user's page because i didn't want to see the article change back and forth so Manny times. I put the waring on your page only so that if the other person objected i can say i warned both people. I guess I shouldn't have warned both of you so I crossed out my waring to you. I just wanted to remind you guys that it is not favorable to redo and and sections of an article repeatedly. sorry.--E-Bod 20:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why Minerale got there warning striked and I am obviously blamed for considerable effort to provide a 100% fact based article. I have edited the Vivv article based on full evidence and alot of time I have taken to understand the product. Minerale did not evolve the article or add anything to it - and showed no understanding of the DRM implmentation or the roadmap for Viiv. He/She rv'd based on an extemely bias and angry POV of what they think Viiv is. Should I stop helping Wikipedia by editing articles? 62.3.70.68 21:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

OK I actually read the edit. Before I was just commenting that nether of you should have reverted more than once. Both of you actually reverted only once so you haven't Violated the 3RR but the 3RR does not entitle you to 3 reverts its just says don't get into an edit war and if you do we put the cutoff at 3. I had striked the warning on one user because when i quickly glanced it looked like a few people reverted the other's edits but now I see that only one person reverted your edits. so it isn't as one sided an issue as i though. I will make both your warnings equlual but that's besides the point the message is to each of you individually. just because the other person reverts more than you doesn't mean you can revert an equal amount and be OK. Now and I can't even see the difference between. Mineralè should use the page's talk page.
And Just for the heck of it. My suggestion is to Have one section explaining the POV of why it is good and another section explaining the POV why it is bad. If you want you can make it in the a sub page like Viiv/Sandbox and after you both agree on something include it in the article. regardless of which edit is better nether of you should have reverted more than once. You guess didn't revert several times in one day so my warning was premature. But Just for that reason Don't keep reverting. The better article isnt't the one with the most dedicated revert it is the one that the users compromise one. With lots of Conflicting POV's the articles will balance into a NPOV article. Remember this is just a Silly wikipidia article.--E-Bod 22:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: "<nowiki></nowiki>"

I added the extra line manually. I find the page easier to edit if there is a line between the infobox and the rest of the article. It doesn't change the way it is rendered. The <nowiki></nowiki> stuff used to be mandatory in order to display the reviews section correctly so it appeared in the guidelines about the album infobox use. Now, it's no longer necessary. Moreover, the reviews section is now optional and removing the <nowiki></nowiki> prevents it from showing up in case there are no reviews listed. Jogers (talk) 09:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

actually another sight

on Lego your edit Already listed and mention. No need for repeated sites. They actually are 2 different sights. I had never heard of this one but this one is hosted by wetpaint (I left a comment on the talk page using wikiformaing and it came out as text and their is no preview or re editing your comments) while the one without the extra i uses mediawiki. Of course we don't need every Wiki under External links (I i agree with your removal). Their actually is a third one Wikia:c:lego:Brikipedia:Community_Portal#Merge_brickwiki that is inactive. --E-Bod 23:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello, I got your message. The problem is external links section on LEGO. The list in the past got to long and got out of hand. In other words if you read 'Discussion' section about External Links there were too many fan sites listed about LEGO in one area. It was an idea and a agreement to cut down the list of External links to important and informed sites. So, anyone would 'click' on such as "BrickWiki" or "Wiki-Brick-Link", and to find more information about other LEGO fan sites. There are few sites that still copy each other on information, such as BrickiWiki, and Brikipedia.

Each site and the community within each site have an a 'ego' to be better than the other. However BrickiWiki site is still in beta testing and is less an month old and still have some problems. The site is just like any of the Wiki's related to LEGO. Based on date and year I believe BrickWiki is the original site to create and to branch off from Wikipedia: LEGO. The next site would have been Wiki-Brick-Links. Both of those sites are more active, and is always current with information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.57.150.87 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 15 May 2006.

Oh. I totally Agree. I just Bold ed part of what I said above (I i agree with your removal). In fact I do remove link spam you can too. The sights have a very similar name so both could be seen as the same sight (I thought they did until i clicked the link). I even had the impulse to Remove that sight myself. The way the edit summary talks is sounds like repeated sites implies it is the same sight, although now i realize your edit summary used repeated sites to mean repeated functions. Also I don't think the page is in bata testing. The whole whose sight is in beta. I don't know how hold the sight is.--E-Bod 01:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: History Purges

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, I have been on a bit of a Wikibreak. Thanks for letting me know. Cheers TigerShark 00:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Unenecyclopaedia

Launching a peronal attack on another user who was simply doing some site-wide housekeeping in line with our policies, is completely unacceptable. Please remain civil in future. The the cc-by-nc tag is not a free tag for Wikipedia. If you try and tag an image with it, it gets marked for speedy deletion. Please read WP:FUC. Whether or not a company will mind, or sue us, has nothing to do with our fair use policy. ed g2s • talk 11:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

"Ok Do you get my WP:POINT. It is really anoying when people do this".

Not at all, I am grateful that you have removed those image from my user space. ed g2s • talk 11:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

{{unblock|Please do not violate WP:POINT, and the principle of common sense would not go amiss. :-)}}

What? Ok you got me on a Confession. But seriously my edits did not really Violate WP:POINT. I said "it did" as a joke. Why was I Blocked because nobody disagrees with my edit. Also I was not Warned. Before you Block somebody you are supposed to give a warning. I have received no warning. The POINT i made was not Extreme enough to qualify as WP:POINT. Infact I was not Sistrupint Wikipidia but rather explaining something to particular user. I have not damaged the Main space at all. Please Evaluate my edit and tell me if you really tink it qualifies as WP:POINT. I would like to be unblocked more because i Don't think i should have been blocked. Also how did you find me to block me? My edits were less extreme than the edit i was protesting. If i wanted to make a point i could have made it alot stronger. My edits in now way distrupt wikipidia. I said that as a joke. The Fair use Violation i was objecting to has since revved permison form the creator to use it on user space and he person i joked about making a point enjed my edit--E-Bod 21:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

In reply to ed g2s How were my edits uncivil. I was tempted to call you the Fair use _____ But I That would be uncivil and I would risk having somebody view that as a joke. And that would offend A whole lot of people so i did not say that. I actually find your removal of legitimate illustration on technicality (And defending that the images still may not be used on userpages to the person who made the immage) with out mear a mention on our talk pages as Uncivil Becose loads of people have told you to stop alreay.--E-Bod 21:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

This was not meat as a personal attak it was meant as a joke. I did not tell you go F youurself i warned you that you shuldn't anoy peple and use a shortcut that soulds like what people would want to tell you. I can see why you would want to remove it but calling it a personal atack is not valid. I did not call you any names except mabe Anal retentive and i said that on the FU page not agaist anybody but agaist most people who remove Fair use from Talk pages even when the images aprear appropropriate--E-Bod 21:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[httop://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use&diff=next&oldid=53689564 This edit] is uncalled for. Aslo WP:POINT is a Guideline not a policy (Yet i do treat guidelines as if they were policyies I am just mentioning that i shouldn't be baned beoce not only was it not a vilation of WP:POINT but it was aso not a policy)--E-Bod 22:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

{{unblock|I think you confused me with [[User talk:Travb]]}}--[[User:Yskyflyer|E-Bod]] 22:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Autoblock

My Block has been lifted but the Autoblock is still blocking me my IP is ---------. Please unblock it.--E-Bod 01:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well you've been editting since posting this so I guess all is ok now. --pgk(talk) 17:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. I forgot to remove the unblock tags. The person who Blocked me never bothered to visit my talk page. Infact I was never even told me I was bloced. (How disrespectfull is that). (I was never warned because the Admin believed I was sufficiently informed about the rules even though I don't feel the block was appropriate because it prevented me form apologizing and the block actually prevent us fom talking about the issue and resolving the proble. I feel the block was allitle abusive) After my User name was unblocked my ip was stil not unbloced so i could still log in and edit if i use AOL which Changes it's IP for security measures. The admin has since unbloced my IP. --E-Bod 20:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright abuses

Hello, this message is in response to the deletion of material on this wikipage. Tens of thousands of images have been deleted by a small handful of wikipedians.

Would you be interested in joining a group on wikipedia which counters the heavy handed tactics of the copyright police. I can't fight them on my own. User talk:Ed g2s has began deleting fair use image on every person's user page and on several other pages, inspired by WP:FUC which was written by another paternal copyright policeman with absolutly no legal training and little understanding of copyright law.

I stared this page, with this purpose: User:Travb/Misguided and heavy handed tactics of some admins regarding copyright Travb 13:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I noticed you comented that this page is only for like minded people. Would like to let you know that isolte groups of like minded peple is a recipie for disater. It is a breading grund for hate roups and racism. We should have strong enough peonts to counter our oonets, not censor them. To do that would be to sink down to the level of User talk:Ed g2s and cencer others. or block people who dissagree.--E-Bod 22:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the Thank you

for the vandalism rv tips. I got very used to using to typing the word 'test' for a while. I've been using VandalProof for several weeks. It's very nice to have a software that reverts and issues the warnings with a simple button push. I've always made a habit of tracing a vandals edit history just to be sure all trash has been swept up. I am about to roll over 3000 edits here on Wikipedia. I am guessing 70% of them are vandal rollbacks. I wish my contributions were geared toward more content...but for now I have found my niche. My Userpage has been vandalized many times now. Let's me know I'm doing something right. Cheers and take care! Anger22 21:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Your nickname

Your opening comment on your user page makes it sound like you are stuck signing as "E-Bod". Hopefully you are aware that this can easily be changed in the preferences area. — ßottesiηi (talk) 23:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the misleading statement. I know how to change my signature. I intentionally sign as "E-Bod", However the code for you signature is really long. And the red talk link makes me think you don't have a talk page --E-Bod 00:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Clearwater

The boat and the group can be merged, but (having been to it), the festival probably rates a separate article as it's about a lot more than just Clearwater. Daniel Case 21:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good--E-Bod 21:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I apologise

I do not know how that happened. I assume I inadvertently edited a previous version. I am terribly sorry, you have my word it was an accident. I will apologise publicly on the page itself - Glen TC (Stollery) 21:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

No harm done. Just fix your mistake ASAP--E-Bod 22:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI I rv'd immediately. Thanks again - Glen TC (Stollery) 21:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Smile :)

—G.He has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

—G.He 23:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

copyright infringement

Text and images are very much different in how they are used and modified in a wiki, and as such are handled differently. What, exactly, is your point? ed g2s • talk 00:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

"If the author's permission is obtained later, the text can be restored." - means "if permission is granted to release the text under the GFDL" - not give specific permission for use in the article. Notification is for when one is removing large chunks of text from a page - not small icons from a talk page. The comment in the edit history is sufficient notification. ed g2s • talk 00:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The policy is not based on whether or not someone will sue. ed g2s • talk 00:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see my comment here

Regarding ed_g2s vandalism of my talk page, see my comment here[7]. Since it is my talk page, I would suggest you ask ed_g2s to stop vandalizing my talk page until this thing cools down. I did not start this vandalizing spree, it was ed_g2ss forcably imposing his misguided view of wikipedia on others. I am going to mention it on the admin board, you are welcome to stick up for him there.

I am compiling another fair use RfC, and including the abuse of TSBY before.

I am awating the approval of some people who gave me the behind the scenes info to post it.

Since this is not resolved yet, I would appreciate that you do not boot me. I have not gotten any information on ed_g2s supposed authority to do this. It appears like another unilateral deletion, similar to the TSBY case.Travb (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the image yourself. Unfortunately Jimbo has written a letter on this issue [8]. And Jimbo (The founder) has reserved the final word. You have built a bad reputation through this battle. Some of that reputation is spilling over on the rest of us. Another unfortunate thing is that it is very important who says what. Becks you were block 3 times on this issue your reputation might discredit your goal. The more you Aggravate the Fair use Police the quicker they are to Explode and assume bad faith to anybody who gets caught in their path. Your efforts are noble but the effect is devastating. I have been blocked for doing practically noting. Make sure your efforts are not pushing these admins to the opposite POV. Don't Make them want to hate you and then accuse them of hating you. Try asking for some people who haven't soiled their hands in the issue to plead you case.--E-Bod 04:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Please feel free to link me to where you are discussing this issuue but pleasee note while i suport your goal of a more flexable system without absolutes, I may not suport your means to get there--E-Bod 04:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
PS. Don't target Ed but rather the Policy. a cookie link (says one thing and links somehere else) is obverboard.--E-Bod 04:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

If I had a nickel

If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me this last week how to format my own talk page. But your suggestions I see are in good faith, and are decent, so I will heed them.

I would rather have someone else fight this fight, someone else who is more of a diplomat and who can build consensus, I clearly have none of these qualities. But no one seems to be standing up to ed and no one has started a RfC. Even though TSBY was clearly shown to abuse his authority, his changes stood.

Becks you were block 3 times on this issue your reputation might discredit your goal.

Huh? Spelling error?

You have built a bad reputation through this battle. Some of that reputation is spilling over on the rest of us. The more you Aggravate the Fair use Police the quicker they are to Explode and assume bad faith to anybody who gets caught in their path.

I doubt my bad rep is spilling over to your even-handed attitude.

I think I may simply alienate friends and allies. I will continue to become more and more marginalized.

I had a bad rep before, with conservatives, and I have alienated many liberals too.

The more you Aggravate the Fair use Police the quicker they are to Explode and assume bad faith to anybody who gets caught in their path.

I just want to be left alone to edit and build wikipedia. I don't initiate these fights, these fights come to me. But when these fights come to me, I will do everything in my power to make things right.

Further, I don't think we should bend to these nazis. I agree that the way I do things is all wrong, but I don't know what else to do. I have found some scattered allies, but they are fragmented and not organized.

I am no leader, but I sense we need one here. A leader inspires unity and builds people up. I inspire disunity and tear people down. The copyright vigelentes are more organized and more involved with building wikipedia policy.

I need to read over this: wikien-l I am disgusted with the whole benevolent dictator role which Jimbo plays, but maybe it is better than the alternative.

Also use The preview button when editing. you don't need an edit a second. are you trying to bump old edits off the history page?

No. I just don't know how to use tables.

You can archive old issues but don't archive current ones until they are settled.

I hear the same arguments from the law and order types over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

I think you got my point. I archive these messages because everytime that I go to my user page, I don't want to be assaulted by their opinions. I have spent months arging this issue, and it just gets old to hear the same recycled garbage.

It is like my arguments with US apologists. I got to the point where I got bored and tired of arguing with most US apologists, because it was the same recycled garbaged, which they parrot without really thinking about what they are saying. I then built a page which I ask apologists who parrot garabage to read before I will debate them. If someone's argument initially is unique/novel, I will debate them, otherwise I dismiss them as naive parrots.

I will email you more later. Travb (talk) 05:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I read over this: wikien-l response on my user page. Travb (talk) 05:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use

Info I may suddenly stop responding to the Fair use issue

I Have spent a lot of time Debating over the issue of Fair use. I have reasoning i am using to convince people about my point is rooted in a meta conflict that can't be resolved so easily. Please Do not Expect me To continue to responds to this issue I i don't continue to involve myself in the issue. I have plans to talk to Jimbo about Quoting what he says. I plan to bring it up to the Village pump, but i realize i don't have endless time to argue about this issue and i need to get back to making edits to the main space. Unfortunetly i am very tempted to talk about this issue. I will try to resist. Let's see whether this takes me--E-Bod 21:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I have finaly asked Jimbo User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#By_Permission_Only_Images_to_be_deleted--E-Bod 03:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Ed g2s

Whatever your problem with this user is, please discuss it at User talk:Ed g2s. This kind of posting everywhere in complaint: [9] [10] and making up strange pseudo-authoritative templates [11] is not a helpful way to resolve your dispute. You owe this user an apology, and need to stop harassing them. Jkelly 04:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: [12] Ha ha. I love it. thanks User:Jkelly for continuing to entertain me by pointing out User:Yskyflyers debates.
Although your pukey self righteous tone when you site the rules simply to hide your own POV is not as entertaining.
Further your blatant hypocricy is glaring. You responded first to this 3RR violation[13] then User:Yskyflyer responds. I guess defending Ed is okay, but posting "complaints" about Ed in your opinion should not be posted? Sounds pretty autoritarian to me. Travb (talk) 10:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Jkelly, I'm getting the feeling that you are biased, and are not acting impartially. Your friendship with Ed_g2s prevents you from acting objectively. This is not how an admin should act. Malamockq 16:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The above two comments show a profound misunderstanding of what Wikipedia:Administrators do. I am under no obligation to be impartial; in fact, it is absolutely necessary for me to use my own judgement. One does not get to act like a nuisance and then complain that being told that one is being a nuisance means that the third party is too biased. Jkelly 17:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh I get it. *pats your head* Don't take the internet so seriously. Malamockq 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I do owe ed an appoligy.--E-Bod 20:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

thanks for info

Thanks for your time. I will look over info later today. I think if anyone can change fairuse policy it is yourself.Travb (talk) 05:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Response

"Why Haven't you Gotten rid of all the fair use images from your own userspace."

I'm pretty sure I have - although please correct me if you find one.

"Your user space is listed as one of the Top Fair use Violations and i am not Joking."

Those list are out of date - they've all been removed as far as I am aware.

"For instance you uploaded Image:Westminster school crest.png without a copyright tag so it was latter tagged fair use. I think it is a greater evil to not even put a copyright tag than to use it as fair use. You are an Admin so you Definitely know better."

That was almost three years ago (August 2003), when I wasn't an admin, and didn't know better.

"please be careful to be polite, and check to make sure that no one else has already brought it to their attention. You have done nether. I am asking you to Resign as an admin and to apologize."

You are quoting Interiot there not a policy. I explain my actions in my edit summary. "Fair use images removed per policy" is not being rude.

"One of your friends who happens to be an arbitrator has ruined my reputation by Blocking me ... I seek a Formal Apology from you as a Trophy on my User space."

I'm not responsible for his actions, although given this recent rant, I don't envisage many people standing up for you.
ed g2s • talk 14:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I should have checked the dates but you still do have fair use images on you userspace. Is not up seat that you are removing fair use images or that you have them on your user space. I just think that in combination it is unacceptable. I't just that i went back to you user space and you still hace't removed all of the images.--E-Bod 20:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use: Wikipedia Philosophy Vs. Friends & Enemies

Info Please Notice that The Fair use image is Breaking into Parties. Ed has Manny Friends and Manny Enemies. Please remember to Treat this issue as an issue about wikipedia Philosophy and not as an issue against Particular user. I myself Have stepped out of bounds sometimes

--E-Bod 22:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments in Lar's RfA!

We are here to build an encyclopedia!

Hi E-Bod, and thank you for your supportive comments in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! Thanks again, and I will do everything I can to justify the trust you've placed in me! See you on LEGO topics or on BW... ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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hey

thanks for advice about google. Appreciate it. Travb (talk) 04:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

My apologies

I thought 70.59.119.37 was blanking sections/articles. It was an honest mistake. I will try to be more careful when leaving vandalism warnings. --Tuspm 01:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

That's OK. But please restore the warning on your userpage. Don't try to pretend it was ever left. It's always fun to play with the latest toy but remember to be careful. you might want to Strike your waning on 70.59.119.37--E-Bod 01:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Done and done! --Tuspm 01:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I should have put my comment more lightly--E-Bod 01:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Smile

Oh most certainly; thanks for noticing. Did Template:Smile survive deletion? -Mysekurity[m!] 11:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes. But somebody made a user-space copy in case it did get deleted.--E-Bod 19:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Copied from Template:Smile

There was a TFD debate for this template early that had no consensus, but a main conflict of the template was that people were merely spamming it. If you use this template, please add a friendly message with it so people do not regard it simply as spam. Thanks

AWB subst'ing of userbox

Please fix your edit summary - I was wondering for a moment what you mean by subset. Thanks! Kusma (討論) 02:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll Change it to subst ass soon as the Please select you Default Browser message goes away.--E-Bod 02:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
All Done--E-Bod 03:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

In Retrospect I should have fallowed WP:TGS--E-Bod 04:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Userfying userboxes

Userfying is the course of action suggested in WP:TGS, I am doing exactly that. --Hunter 15:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Protection of List of Lost episodes

elements cross-posted

The Fair Use policy in this regard is crystal clear; it is your reading of it that is either hazy or merely outright faulty.
I am but an editor; I gain no special rights though my being a sysop, an oversighter, an Arbitrator, or an Officer - they are all symptoms, not causes, of the worrying tendancy that people want to listen to what I say. ;-) I cannot indicate when I'm using my "special privileges", because I have none excepting that it is I who wields them and so people sometimes chose to pay more attention.
It certainly would not be "unnacceptable" for a "normal" (have you met some of our sysops? "Normal" is, I fear, not the word ;-)) sysop to take these actions. As to editing the page whilst protected, I'm sure that you can understand why that would be strongly frowned upon.
I would ask you to retract immediately your comments and accusations against my character, including that I am seemingly involved in the issue - I have never edited the page, not once, nor made reference to it; that I have deliberately chosen m:The Wrong Version on which to protect the page merely to frustrate you - I protected it in the form that it appeared to me when I went to the page; and that, indeed, I am doing anything other than what a responsible sysop who saw the situation would do. It is a most hurtful thing to say, especially when it is wholly lacking in any factual basis.
Also, please spend some time to work out the rules of English grammar with regard to capitalisation. :-)
James F. (talk) 10:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

A suggestion...

In reading your comments, I have noticed something that makes them harder to read than they should be. In English, standard capitalization rules do not call for capitalizing more than the first word of a sentence, except for proper names, the word I, and a few other exceptions. If you follow this rule, your comments will be easier to read. Thanks. Jay Maynard 01:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. Google Spell Checker doesn't fix capitalization. I would need to paste it into word to spell check. I spend ⅔ my time just fixing my typos that are picked up by my spell checker. I'm so used to seeing my CAPS that it it hard for me to even notice it anymore. You are the second user to suggest this (in a row) so I will definitely try harder to fix them.--E-Bod 01:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
NikoSilver Has also Commented on my English skills. (Even thou english is my First and only fluent language). So I have been warned 3 times. I apologize for my Past and future mistakes. This is an issue for me that is not that easy for me to fix. I apologize if this hinders my effective communication skills.--E-Bod 17:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thank you for the welcome!

In addition, thank you for the logo correction.

Retrospection 01:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT

Please do not say "WTF" on wikipedia to other users. You have the opurtunity to undo things you say here that you don't have in real life. [14] --E-Bod 18:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should just not stick your nose in other people's talks and read WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not censored. You have the opportunity to undo mentoring. And by the way, you just put 'WTF' in my talk-page. Kindly avoid using it in my talk page because it is insulting only if used by you.
PS. I meant World Taekwondo Federation, WTF did you mean? :NikoSilver: 19:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Censorship and commenting on some body's word choice are 2 different things.
  1. I have noting against Anglo-Saxon words over the French. However I believe both should be avoided when alternatives are available.
  2. I apologize for miss interpreting what you said. I had no clue you meant to say
    "And [ World Taekwondo Federation ] does any of these have to do with a skunk?".
    • FYI (For Your Information) a noun makes no sense in the context. Don't kid yourself.
  3. Your Tone of writing is Very Aggressive. Lighten up. No need to be so aggressive.
  4. Maybe you should read Wikipedia:Profanity. I am well aware of what WP:NOT and was going to give you a like to it to explain to you the fallowing things but I decided not be be an instruction M:Instruction creep. You are allowed to Include Profanity, however this is in Articles. WP:NOT is not an excuse to be uncivil and curse at people. You could have very easily replaced "And WTF does" with the much more civil "And what does" so you are not covered under the WP:NOT, however i am sorry for suggesting a different moral to you. Fell free to Smoke and have indiscriminate sex. I am not in a position to tell you what to do with you life.
  5. The user talk page is not a one on one talk between you and the other wikipidia. I had left a message on that user's talk page early and checked back for a reply only to see your attack on that user. Putting profanity Prominently on your user space is questionable. Putting it on somebody Else's user space is unacceptable.
A legitimate example of non prominent profanity legitimately (according to WP policy) placed on the user space is [[User:Cyde/Weird pictures]]. Hover Cyde (an admin) does not have profanity on his Userpage or talk. It is only on a sub page that is carry out of view of the easily offended and so users don't get there by accident. Leaving a [[User:Cyde/Weird pictures|hidden]] link to that page is unacceptable not only because of obvious reasons, but we don't allow any hidden links on wikipedia.
You Are entitled to your profanity only where appropriate. The policy will explain what we think is appropriate and you will have wide support in Manny cases. However the Policy does not protect you for using profanity to be unable to a fella wikipidia and is her so users don't go on some champagne and destroy all the articles on sensitive subjects.
Please don't because some M:Instruction creep. If you want me to Point to every single policy then i can. But don't look at one policy and think in entitles yo to do another. for inside the WP:3RR does not entitled you to 2 reverts.
I Quoted your "WTF" and that is allowed under Wikipedia:Profanity. However your original "WTF" had the non offensive "what" as an alternative so you did violate Wikipedia:Profanity, yet i was only suggesting something to you. Don't be a hot head.
To make the policy simple to you. On a page about a president, to witch nudity would not come to mind when we think of the name, an image of a nude lady with the presidents face Photoshopped on would only be appropriate in the article if that image was talked about in the article, for instance the image may be famous or we may be talking about an internet phenomenon where people take the faces of presidents and superimpose them on naked women. This WP:Not censored is about Skipping community consensus to remove profanity. Many pages with profanity have chosen the rout of including mild images in the article and linking to less mild image when it depicts what the article is about. I did not include a link to the pages i am talking about because i do not want my userspace becoming associated with that world of wikipedia via What links here. This is a side of wikipedia that some support while others have agreed to let it be it's one world and to separate themselves from it. Please note i did not censure your comment, i only requested you consider revising it. I was not Expecting you do defend you right to be uncivil
In case you are wondering I actually do support wikipedia not being censured, however i do not support unsanitary uncivil words towards innocent other users, yet I still respect that we come from different backgrounds and so live by different standards. I do not support words like "darn" because while the Anglo Saxon word is offences. the French word is just as Obnoxious as to clam your language is better than the common man's. One should just be happy with what life dishes out. I say "Oh well" but that is my person preference. I am allowed to make suggestions to you on your talk page. No reason to jump at me with various policies that don't even support what you are saying.

--E-Bod 06:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Small world

Wow! I'd Just like to Point out the coincidence that Cyde (The person with the Not Censured page) happened to have left message on your talk page. LOL And by the way. Your Claim that you did not mean what i though you meant is unacceptable because you did mean what i thought you meant because what you claim you meant does not fit into the syntax of the sentence. Have a great day Great new Addition to our Collective Collection of Knowledge (GNATOCCOF)--E-Bod 06:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Your apparent medium level in English does not allow you to understand that "What the fuck does this have to do with that" is not a curse to an innocent user, but rather an emphasis on the word "what". There is no other way to emphasize "what" more effectively in common English. Please just leave the issue there. I will be glad to correct your spelling/grammar mistakes in your userpage to make you understand what I mean, if you give me permission. BTW, in the same sense I could give you the same advice: WTF are the words "screw up" doing in one of your userboxes? Don't you know that it is exactly synonymous to "fuck up"? So, peace? :-) :NikoSilver: 12:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
You are 100% right. It Does not sound like your are cursing. It sound like you are a Hot Head that is ready to fight Anybody who they disagrees with. This is not a Censorship issue but rather a WP:COOL issue. I am against the sensership of thier person. If you have to quoe a book . English is my first and Only Fluent Language. as far as Emphasising What. There is no need to. If you really need to Verbally you can Emphasis it or write you can emphasis with Bold such as What. However there is no need to SHOUT
I Had no Clue you would defend your right to use Profanity on other User's talk page. This is Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Examples lists "Profanity directed at another contributor" as Unacceptable conduct. Help:Talk page#Basic rules for all talk pages lists it is uncivil to Don't SHOUT (Which is what you are using "Fuck" to do). You have Personally Attacked my English. I though i made this clear but i will re say it in case i forgot, I totally respect your Background and have no desire to Oppress one word choice over the other. I was just Suggesting something to you. I Can't believe you would actually Defend your edit. When i make a mistake i try to Acknowledge my mistake. Not Deny it. Your Lying and saying you meant World Taekwondo Federation Is Totally Unacceptable.
When talking about the book The Catcher in the Rye, you can't avoid talking about "the bits of 'fuck you' graffiti". It would be Inappropriate to change it to "the bits of '[FU]' graffiti". However going to the talk page and telling people to go F themselves because you disagree with them in inappropriate. Again I respect your Background but Please realize you are not Covered under our no censorship policy and you are violating our WP:COOL and WP:Civil Policies and possible even our censoring policies for using shorthand to leave your curses Ambiguous instead of Being Proud and Direct on what you have to say.
I am not imposing my personal beliefs or values. on you. I am only letting you know you are Violating Policy and I am Giving you Enough warnings. so that you can not claim you were never warned. Because of this
Do I need to give you a {{subst:Npa3}} because you have been warned before User talk:NikoSilver/Archive 1#Please help. Because it was a long time ago i will give you a {{subst:Npa}}. Just so future users don't have to keep swimming Good faith as if you were totally Ignorant to the issue. You have been waned.
As far as my userbox saying "Screw up". I'm not against censorship. My "Screw up" is directed at me. Telling someone else they screwed up is questionable. More civil language can be used. As far as correcting spelling on my page. Thank you. If you want to go right ahead. Just make sure not to change the meaning of what i was saying. I have been previously warned about my spelling problem, and i am sorry it is inhibitng my effective communication with you. Please don't disrespect what i say because of my spelling disabilities.--E-Bod 16:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

NPA

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --E-Bod 16:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

When warning one of personal attacks, it is common to specify where the alleged personal attack was made. Otherwise, I'm afraid it's useless. Don't rely on your believing that it is obvious - you must first be sure that it is equally obvious to everyone else, especially someone like NikoSilver whose mother tongue is not English. --Tēlex 17:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Yskyflyer is overreacting against Niko's use of "WTF" somewhere on a talk page - It wasn't even directed at him, or at anybody else specifically for that matter. It was - as usual for Niko - in the context of a friendly, humourous chat [15]. Please, Yskyflyer, accept that not everybody here on WP is necessarily as prudish about use of language as some people are. And this "warning" of yours is totally off the mark, as whatever Niko was doing there, he wasn't "attacking" anybody. Don't know if you've noticed, Yskyflyer, but Niko is one of the most friendly, good-humoured people around here. I recommend you just forget about this all, or people might start seeing you as trolling. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. I took it too far and should have assumed good faith. It's hard for me not to reply to what people say. However am I totally wrong or is there a drop of merit it what I said?--E-Bod 03:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, I am sorry. However N! never told me he was only joking he told me was

Your apparent medium level in English does not allow you to understand that "What the fuck does this have to do with that" is not a curse to an innocent user, but rather an emphasis on the word "what". There is no other way to emphasize "what" more effectively in common English. Please just leave the issue there.

He commented that MY English was not good. Not that I should cut him some slack because he is not a native English speaker. Anyway the Above is not a Personal Attack. I don't know what I was thinking. However I am a Native US English Speaker. In fact i am a Monolingual. I just don't understand how somebody who learned to speak English as a second language would talk like that. I guess In retrospect I was complainning about His misquoting of Policy and his Lying to me that he used WTF to meant something other than "What the Fuck". I should have fallowed what I was saying. I misued NPA.--E-Bod 03:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I am really sorry and embarrassed for my actions and comments. Thank you Tēlex and Fut.Perf for pointing this out to me. I should have read the whole initial conversation at User talk:I do not exist#Skunk. After leaving my first warning to you based on my initial misinterpreting, I did not understand the nature of your reply. I should have been more careful. I assumed bad faith and thought you were lying when you said you meant World Taekwondo Federation because I didn’t realize you were giving a riddle and your link to WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not censored made me think you were defending your right to talk that way when talking about some edit dispute. That was not a reply to an edit dispute but a riddle. I is obvious I am wrong and the diff can speak for it’s self.--E-Bod 04:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

"overreacting" is an understatement. I had no clue what was going on because I rushed to get my warning out and did not go back to look at what i was warning about.--E-Bod 04:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your clarification. I, too, apologize if my statement sounded unnecessarily harsh. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Forget it man, maybe I came too hard on this anyway. Initially I had assumed you had not read exactly the content of the message or not understood it and that's what I tried to tell you, using a much stronger tone than needed though. For the record, I had an English speaking nanny ever since I was born, finished an English-speaking school and went to an American College for my BBA. My TOEFL score before I went to college was 604 (top 1% among native and non-native speakers). Oh, and I prefer to watch DVD's with no subtitles, or English subtitles in case I miss a word due to pronounciation! ;-) So maybe I am too modest with my en-4 babel-box, but I guess I would lie if I said that I am a native! :NikoSilver: 08:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I consider you a wiki-friend! :NikoSilver: 22:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

don't remove redirects

Please don't remove redirects on the test templates. They are there for a reason. NPA2 is there so that users can apply a level version of an attack template on pages and it redirects to an older template created before the numbering system was introduced. Redirects on that page are always kept because hundreds of users use them all the time. We cannot expect them every day to go to the TT page and check what redirects where today having been changed by someone yesterday. Leave the redirects alone. They are necessary. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 17:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. Thanks for reverting me. It's Just that {{Npa2}} linked to {{Npa}} and that template Already Existed. You are right. At the time i was thinking Why give somebody a NPA and then a NPA2 if they are the same message I didn't think we wanted redundant messages. If their is no NPA2 people would use NPA3 or NPA. I will not do that again. Thanks for Clarifying this to me.--E-Bod 17:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

PS my reply was to the earlier [16] but we had an edit conflict.--E-Bod 17:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry my bad {{npa2}} links to {{Attack}} while {{npa}} links to {{No personal attacks}}.

With this in mind I would not have made the edit in the first place. --E-Bod 17:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


OK. So my opinion now is that we should move {{No personal attacks}} and {{Attack}} to {{npa}} and {{npa2}}. Remove the links from the test templates, but leave the redirect on {{No personal attacks}} and {{Attack}} so old messages are not destroyed.

I did not realize they linked to separate templates when i removed the link. I though it was redundant to Npa not attack.--E-Bod 17:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Further Discon on Template messages/User talk namespace

...

That sure was retarded. -Nemmy

The above comment was a reply to Well... At least your Honest by Nemmy (talk • contribs) 15:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

--E-Bod 22:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Message on my talk page

You left an edit on my talk page, in the middle of the page next to a very stale discussion. I had to use the edit history to even find the message. Please leave new messages at the end of a talk page. (The "+" tab at the top of the page makes this easy, and there is also a shortcut key.) Thanks.

As for the content of the message, I can only assume that you didn't bother to look at the talk page of the article in question. This deletion was the result of an extended discussion lasting several days.

If you look at the history of my contributions (which you can do using the "User contributions" link in the "toolbox" area at the right of the page when you are looking at one of my user pages), you will find that I consistently try to leave helpful edit summaries. I know it takes more of your time to be careful, and I can see you haven't had an account here for long so you're still learning.

On a completely unrelated topic, I notice you've edited some articles related to Apple Computer and the Macintosh. May I take it you prefer to use a Mac? If so, it's nice to have more company. :-D

If you have any questions I can help you with, whether about mathematics or Wikipedia, I'll see what I can do. Both areas have a steep learning curve! --KSmrqT 00:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

hello

hello

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