Talk:Youth With A Mission
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[edit] Expert Needed Tag
I added the expert needed tag. The article needs more elaboration on the history of YWAM. Little important points such as Mercy Ships breaking off from YWAM because it was too big and Marine Reach resulting as those in Mercy Ships wanting to remain with YWAM etc. I know of these facts but cannot relate them with authority enough. Those enlightened enough please expand. Davidkazuhiro 10:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cult researchers
I don't beleive Rick A. Ross Institute is a good reference for criticism of YWAM, as other cult researchers do not endorse Rick Ross. Apologetics Index is one example (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/r24.html), and they indicate "many cult experts refuse to work with - or to refer people to - Rick Ross" though I have not checked this personally.
Apologetics Index gives a more balanced criticism of YWAM while still submitting that they even are not neutral. (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/y05.html) However, they do their best to balance their personal opinions by giving references where possible.
User:82.133.81.53 10:10, 7 November 2005
- Keep the Rick Ross links & include relevant others. Cult research appears to very much a viper's nest - the level of mutual antagonism between different individuals/groups is very high. This is before you include those that appear to be apologists for various cults.
- The positive thing about Rick Ross is that he appears the most open of them. None of them seem to be particularly strong academically.
Paul foord 22:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
- I agree with the Cult research appearing to be very week, lacking strong academic evidence, and the high mutual antagonism between Cult researchers.
- For this topic however, these critics have voiced their judgement of YWAM and they should be left here for reference. We don’t need this topic becoming controversial and been pulled into the viper's nest of the Cult research. There will always be strengths and weaknesses with any organisational structure, and the delocalisation of control has its benefits and weaknesses.
Super Keo 10:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
82.143.162.72 18:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC) There should be a reference in the text of the entry, not just in the links, that YWAM has been compared to a sect or cult and has faced serious criticism. One has now been added.
82.143.162.72 13:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC) The term 'the delocalisation of control among the organisation' does not really put the whole story across. The extremely heavy emphasis on unquestioned authority is what courts criticism. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? Delocalisation exists in quite a number of organisations without leading to the sort of controversy YWAM is involved in.
[edit] Moral Government Theology Link
I've taken the MGT link out because it is not referring to the same theological idea (although they do go by the same name). The MGT that is referred to in the article was popularized in the late 1960's and early 70's and is not a held belief of any denomination that I am aware of. A different MGT article needs to be written on it (because they are not the same), and i may do that one day.
Why would an important link be removed? This action is dishonest. Understanding the MGT foundation in YWAM is essential in understanding the present emphasis on spiritual warfare and the wide distribution that YWAM promotes for Dr. Gregory Boyd's books on the "Openness of God." One of the things about true Christians is that they love truth, even if it hurts! I would suggest that people who want to know the truth run a check on Goggle with something like --ywam, false teaching, moral government theology. Read and study, it won't hurt you to know the truth about YWAM. Then if you still want to join, you will go in with your eyes open and will be able to discern the error if you come across it. Here is one place that much about YWAM history is documented [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.103.181.174 (talk • contribs).
- A personal website does not meet WP:RS for inclusion. But I did link and mention it from another source. All criticism MUST be cited for inclusion. While your free to add material make sure it is cited with WP:RS.
- Other segements of the article need serious clean up as well. Arbusto 19:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
It was not dishonost to remove the link, it would be like talking about (modern day) computers and linking to a site that discussed computers of the 1980's, the comparison is so far out there that even though they are 'similar' they are completely different! As for the controversy section, deleting it was dishonost (to whomever did it - i don't know who)!! I realize that it went out of hand (and 'preachy') but editing it would have been the honost thing to do! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]).
[edit] Discipleship Training School/Merge?
- Merge Interrelated suject, not enough sources for its own article. Fails notablity on its own. Arbusto 16:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
yeah, merge them - two seperate article for that in unnessicary.
Yes, they should be merged.
[edit] Why no "Controversies" section?
It needs one. The previous reverted controversy section clearly read like a personal rant than material for an encyclopedia article; still, this article needs one. CyberAnth 01:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] External Links
People Keep links to the YWAM websites for each nation. These are useful links but if compiled in entirety would be a list longer than the article itself. These links are also already in the "list of YWAM bases" anyways. I'm going remove the nation website links from external links and refer them to the list. Let me know what you guys think is best though for what gets to go on external links and what doesn't. Davidkazuhiro 00:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- A lot of the links have been simply linkspam, probably by a base member. I removed two others. It is superfluous since List of YWAM bases already exists. CyberAnth 03:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge discussion per AfD
Per this AfD discussion, it is recommended that Australian Relief & Mercy Services be merged into this article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Category:YWAMer Wikipedians
If you wish to be part of the Category:YWAMer Wikipedians - to add yourself to this category just add [[Category:YWAMer Wikipedians|{{subst:PAGENAME}}]] to the bottom of your user page. CyberAnth 21:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] KKI
I am making a stub for Kings Kids International. Does any one think it should be merged with this page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saksjn (talk • contribs) 05:39, March 1, 2007.
- We should at least have a subsection mentioning it and linking to your stub --Davidkazuhiro 09:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Link Consensus
In the past people have often added links to YWAM websites in the external links section until it is extremely long and out of proportion. Wikipedian editors have had to continuously maintain this with no consensus to go by. This was one of the reasons I created the List of YWAM bases page so that there would be a place for this list and it would not detriment from the YWAM article.
However, the List of YWAM bases is going to be deleted soon since it's job is already being done by the YWAM Directory and the list will tend to go out of date. I have included a link to the YWAM Directory in anticipation of this deletion. The question I want to raise then is this:
What limits shall we agree on for the External Links section? What qualifies to be on the list and what are we going to leave up to the YWAM website? If we can agree on this, we would have a handy policy for editors to refer to when maintaining and evaluating additions to the external links section. --Davidkazuhiro 03:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
