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[edit] Yoshi is a dragon?

KevinJr42: I thought Yoshi was a dinosaur. It's a dragon?

In Japan, he's a dragon. In the US and possibly Europe, he's a dinosaur. Either way -- big lizard. ~ FriedMilk 00:59, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the Japanese word for dinosaur uses the dragon kanji.

Some (including me) consider Yoshies a race apart from dinosaurs and dragons... They're from the Yoshius Yoshii species, or the common Yoshi. But, it's just a fan-term. SmegEd
Well, I believe that Yoshies are their own species. It's a bit of a paradox, you see. The giant coins in Super Mario World are called Dragon Coins, but the actual adventure takes place on Dinosaur Land. 72.68.222.3 19:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

crynyd: Is the plural of "Yoshi" actually "Yoshies" as in the article, or "Yoshis?" Just curious.

KevinJr42: I think it's just Yoshi, because it's a japanese name, and japanese don't do anything to the word to make words plural. Anyway, I call them "Yoshi" when they're plural.
Feezo: Yoshi's Island uses the plural "yoshies" in the introduction. I haven't seen Nintendo use any other form.
Both KevinJr42 and Feezo are correct. Japanese words have no plural form, so the plural in Japanese is the same. However, in English, which is what we're concerned with, the plural is "Yoshies." And if that's how Nintendo of America does it, that's how it should be written. -- Jaxxim 22:36, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
Zachnorn: Actually, in the SNES version of Yoshi's Island, it says Yoshies, but in the GBA version, it says Yoshis.

IMHO, the line below is Irrelevant: "In the Chinese language, 游戏 (yóuxì in pinyin) means "game.""

Hmm. Without any basis that this influenced Yoshi's name, I'm inclined to agree. Since the sentence is archived here, I'll remove it from the article. -- J44xm 02:26, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
This could go in a trivia section. 75.153.221.227 10:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I always thought the name was probably a friend of Miyamoto's or something. Yoshi is a common given name, isn't it? As in the TMNT character Hamato Yoshi, or the little kid named Yoshi in the third TMNT movie?

Keep in mind, Dragon doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it does in the states. Our idea of a reptillian flying creature is really a western thing. The eastern concept is just anything powerful. RememberMe? 22:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Technically impossible?

I removed the following statement:

That concept was considered technically impossible until the SNES was developed, though unofficial ports of Super Mario World to the NES have shown it may not have been.

The passive voice is hiding the attribution here (see Wikipedia: Avoid weasel terms.) As a software developer, I can say it seems downright silly that the NES has any technical limitation preventing this. Indeed, I recently played Adventure Island 2 and 3, an NES game in which the main character does ride a dinosaur. Deco 07:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

It's been said in interviews with Miyamoto and such that riding Yoshi was considered by them to be too complex for the NES. I'll see if I can find a source. Andre (talk) July 1, 2005 07:52 (UTC)
Miyamoto did say that, Steven Kent even noted it in his book The Ultimate History of Video Games. TJ Spyke 21:19, 6 April 2006 (ET)
Just because Miyamoto said it, doesn't make it a true fact as written. One could say that Miyamoto felt the concept impossible before the SNES was developed and cite a source though Marsman57 20:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ugly picture

Does anyone share with me the belief that that Yoshi picture is awful? I believe we should replace it with a Super Mario World picture. Oh well, do what you will.

The Super Mario World image is no longer canon for his appearance. nogo. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hatch into a baby Yoshi?

I am in complete disagreement with the one sentence from the article that says "an egg, which they can throw as a weapon (or sometimes hatch into a baby Yoshi)". There isn't a game in which Yoshi lays eggs from which baby Yoshis emerge. All of those eggs were used as weapons. And although of course in the games there are eggs from which Yoshis emerge, no Yoshi is ever seen laying them, much less creating them by eating an enemy. The eggs that Yoshi lays in the games do not contain babies! And there is absolutely no proof to say they do. I find this little sentence from the article outrageously wrong. Let's see if Wikipedia stands for the truth.

Yoshi has laid eggs, and mushrooms and 1ups have come out of them. But still no baby Yoshis, perhaps because the rules of Super Mario World only allow one Yoshi to exist simultaneously per level. Dwedit 06:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

You know, technically, he can lay eggs that other Yoshis come out of... If he happens to have swallowed another Yoshi. Think of Super Smash Bros. Melee. In that game, you can swallow other Yoshis and trap them in eggs as an attack, by just using the B button.

Yoshi laid eggs that hatched baby Yoshis in the Game & Watch Gallery series. Chef is the first game to come to mind, but I think he could also do this in Egg. --195.92.168.174 05:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I suspect that Yoshis are like some other animals in that the males generally gather food while the females stay behind to protect the young. Hence we would rarely if ever see a female Yoshi in a game because they'd all be hiding in caves somewhere caring for babies. As for how the males are supposedly laying eggs, it's simple: this is actually oddly-coloured fecal matter. Yoshis must have some strange digestive system which absorbs nutrients extremely fast, completing the digestion process in seconds, which provides them with a convenient (albeit rather gross) weapon, just as monkeys are known to do. This also explains why eating an enemy produces only an "egg", while swallowing another player in Smash Bros games does a small amount of damage but leaves them intact - the very fast digestion process is enough to disintegrate small, weak enemies such as Shyguys and fruit, but leaves little impact on larger targets such as people.
It's silly, yes, but it makes sense. The "eggs" used as weapons are not truly eggs at all! And... uh... he'd already swallowed all that junk in Super Mario World, but was constipated? Eh, it works. 75.153.221.227 11:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshi Gallery?

I think we should make a gallery because Yoshi has different colors. Thief Lord 12:28, 8 November 2005

I also think we should include information from Yoshi Touch and Go (such as eggs and how fast they can go. Thief Lord 12:42, 8 November 2005

The information about how fast eggs go may be a bit obscure, from the sound of it. I haven't played the game, however. AOEU 22:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom

I have removed a section that refers to yoshi's role in a fan made flash animation "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom." This section previously did not make any mention that "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom" is not endorsed in any way by Nintendo and is not well known to fans of Nintendo. Furthermore, I believe that "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom" does not have enough importance to be mentioned at all in an article on the yoshi character (perhaps it should be mentioned on the article on "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom" instead, and certainly should not be treated on equal footing with his appearence in Nintendo video games and licensed products.

User 4.160.33.146 has added this section back in without stating any reasons for doing so. In addition to my objections listed above, the section is still inaccurate: the Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom is a fan made flash animation, not a movie and does not deserve its own section (it is currently given equal weight as the "Appearences" section). Please explain your reasons for including this section on this discussion page.

In addition, the phrase "Yoshi has one of the most unique playing styles making him hard to master, but lethal when mastered." is inaccurate in its implied description of Super Smash Bros. melee. Yoshi is considered one of the weakest/worst characters in Super Smash Bros. melee by the Smash World Forums (which is where avid and professional video game players discuss Smash Bros. melee - see the melee article), and is in fact listed in the second to last of 6 tiers by their official character ranking project (the link for the character ratings is http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=50171, however you will need to register in order to view threads in the forum).

[edit] yoshi. dinosaur, or dragon?

i think yoshi is a dinosaur. he has the looks of a t-rex. his short little arms, his big feet, the lumps on his back,etc.

i think he is a dinosaur.

He looks like a Heterodontosaurus.

-Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.5.28.194 (talk • contribs) .

According to the Nintendo 64 game, Super Smash Bros., in Yoshis description, its says" Yoshi is the friendly dinosaur of Yoshi Island.....". Proving that yoshi is simply a name for the species of dinosaurs.

-Moozipan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.5.28.194 (talk • contribs) .

This is already mentioned in the article under Species. --SaturnYoshi 23:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshi's Helpers

I think the Yoshi's Helpers section is poorly written. It has lots of personal language, is far too informal and has lots of launguage that is unsuitable for Wikipedia. I have changed some "yous" to "players", but there are some bits I am not sure how to rephrase. I will attempt to change it but I would be greatful if someone else had a look at it. The- 17:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I have now rephrased the unencyclopaedic parts, but I would be greatful if someone could look over the section. The- 17:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The entire thing sounds like it's copied out of an instruction manual. 75.153.221.227 11:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Description illogicalness

In the Description and other notes section, the paragraph about the sounds, the last sentence doesn't seem in line with the rest of the paragraph. Where the rest goes about the sounds Yoshi makes, the last sentence goes about his ability to detect fruit. I don't want to touch this section, as I might make it even more confusing. Anyone having suggestions? --GaryCXJk 01:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it could be moved to the introductory paragraph at the beginning of the article. Agent CH 01:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I do think it can fit in the Description section, however, I think it's better to move this part to a different location within this section. But it probably fits better in the introduction.--GaryCXJk 10:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Minor Character?

It states that Yoshi is a minor character, but he appears in many Mario games, even if it's just as a cameo or selectable character. I think this should be changed to something else. Eratticus 01:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Yoshi isn't a 'Minor Character.' He has had his own games about himself, like in Yoshi's Story or, Yoshi's Touch And Go.

[edit] Teeth!?

It says Yoshis have teeth. What's the source? --Gaming King 02:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

The Yoshi's Story artwork, I'd figure. The artwork of a pink Yoshi hover-jumping has him showing his teeth, like he's straining to perform the move. Here's the artwork, found on Yoshi Lore. Agent CH 03:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

That image is screwed up. Yoshi has never been shown with teeth in any of his video games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.17.202.153 (talk • contribs) .

Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island shows him with teeth, I believe when he's damaged. Here is a reference, from Darkmark's Lair. It's the eighth sprite on the second row. True Hitoare 21:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Yoshi also clearly has teeth in Yoshi's Ialsn DS, as part of the artwork and the in-game sprites (most often when flutter jumping). This finalizes it; Yoshis have teeth.

Doesn't Yoshi growl and bare his teeth when an enemy is nearby in Yoshi's Story? 75.153.221.227 11:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

Okay, I've noticed that there are pretty much NO references, so I've decided to go and look for as many as I can, so far, as you can see, I've gotten about 20. More to come soon. --Bentendo24 19:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

That's good, but the GFAQs links are invalid (rather, GFAQs does not allow external linking).AOEU 22:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gender Usage

The article discusses the ambiguity of Yoshi's gender, but the article consistently uses "he", "him", etc. to refer to Yoshi. I've changed most of the gender-specific pronouns, but it seems a bit awkward. Suggestions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AOEU (talk • contribs) .

In all games they've refered the green Yoshi as a Male, or him/he. Theres never been a time where they've said she. Also, even if it is unknown what gender it is, usully people refer to the character as a he. --Bentendo24 04:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raphael the Raven

  • Raphael the Raven - Raphael is the leader of the ravens on Mt. Lavalava, the volcano looming over Yoshi Village. If players find him deep within Jade Jungle, he'll be able to help them a great deal. Raphael the Raven was a boss in Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.

If I recall correctly, Raphael the Raven was not specifically a friend of Yoshi Village. Also, the "player" in this case is Mario, not Yoshi. I am in favor of removing this section. AOEU 23:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

You sir, are correct, so I'm removing it. Also, the fact that he was a boss character proves that they must not be great friends. --Bentendo24 00:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lameness controversy

I removed the awful "Species Controversy" and "Gender Controversy" sections as wholly unencyclopedic, original research, and unsourceable. These "controversies" exist only in the minds of bored forum posters, and there's no independent third-party commentary in reliable sources on them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:20, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this decision. Some people think way too hard about fictional characters. -SaturnYoshi 07:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I second the idea, as well. AOEU 22:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual Error.

"Yoshi first appeared in Super Mario World [6] for the Super Famicom in his Japanese release" No.. he very well didn't. He first appeared as a transformed king in Super Smash Bros.3. He didn't have a name but here's a screenshot for you. World 7, last castle. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Azoruk/hello.jpg

That is the Super Mario All-Stars (1993) version of Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988-1990). A game that was released for the Super Nintendo well after the release of Super Mario World (1990-1991). All the kings transformations were changed from the original NES version. Thank you. -SaturnYoshi 23:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
He was actully a Piranha Plant in the original. In the later versions, or Super Mario-All Stars and Super Mario Bros. 3 Advance, they changed him into a Yoshi, just like the above poster said. --Bentendo24 00:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, I couldn't remember what the king was transformed into originally. And how could someone mistake Super Mario Bros. for Super Smash Bros.? Especially since "Smash Bros. 3" isn't even out yet. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 00:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshis come in thousands of colours?

I can't say I've seen thousands of different coloured yoshis. Maybe their skin colour could be slightly different for each one, but the sentence could perhaps be changed to something a little less extreme, perhaps 'Yoshis come in many colours'? Guitarhero91 00:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I re-worded it. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fears

Does anyone think that this section is necessary to the atricle, it seems to detract from it's credibility bit. If no one object I think it'd be worth deleting it. BigHairRef | Talk 01:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

None of it seems to add up. Just because a Piranha Plant is an enemy in a game doesn't mean it's necessarily feared. The bit about Bowser bringing them to Yoshi's Island is unconfirmed, and will likely remain so. While he does fear water in the cartoon, game mechanics in Sunshine shouldn't be use to try to explain this. Most of this section is largely original research. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 04:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verification Box

I've made a few edits removing some unfounded and unverifiable information (like fears section etc). Some of the bits that clearly had no support from sources have gone as well. After these edits (and assuming there aren't major changes) I reckon that it would be suitable to get rid of the verifcation box at the top. Anyone disagree? BigHairRef | Talk 01:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Before that, I think that the cite tags need to be dealt with. There is one under Species and another under Habitat. If we can source those claims, then all should be good. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshi's Debut?

Sorry, but didn't Yoshi make his/her initial debut in Yosshi no Tamago as Luigi's pet? I just think it's weird that in a Yoshi article there's no mention of who his/her original owner was. Outlawed Heroine 18:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Gamefaqs.com (while not necessarily citeable) lists the Japanese release as 12/14/91. Super Mario World is listed as 11/21/90 in Japan. Looks like SMW has it beat by a year. Gene S. Poole 01:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canon vs. Meta?

I think a decision needs to be made as to which games contribute to the lore of Yoshi, and which ones simply include Yoshi in the game. Off the top of my head, I can think of two game series - Smash Bros and Mario Kart - that probably should not qualify as contributing to the lore.

The reason is as follows: 1) Smash Bros does not actually involve the Nintendo franchise characters fighting with one another. Rather, the storyline involves toys of the characters duking it out. This distinction therefore would not make any game in which Yoshi makes an appearance as a canon title, adding to the lore of Yoshi or of yoshis, as the species and character are not involved in the game directly (Instead, it seems like the premise is the imagination of a child is giving the toys these particular powers) 2) The Mario Kart franchise is a meta-game, not meant to be canonical. This is evidenced by the fact that Mario and Baby Mario ride along side by side, competing with one another, and Bowser races against them. Likewise, Mario Party, Mario Strikers, and any game which simply uses the franchise characters as placeholders should not apply either.

Because of this, it is strongly recommended that the information on the page related to Yoshi's eggs and their abilities be seriously trimmed down - Most sources of information (like capturing foes in eggs, for example) seem to come from either Smash Bros or Mario Kart, both of which should not qualify as canonical to the lore of the Yoshisaur (And so long as I'm on a diatribe, neither should the SMB cartoon, it had Yoshi talking, fer chrissake).

If there is no opposition, I shall be removing the particular material to tidy up the article. Gene S. Poole 01:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boshi...

"Boshi's only appearance in a Nintendo-made game was in this game. In the past, rumors have existed concerning the existence of Boshi in other games, but these have been proven to be false (though in Super Mario 64, Yoshi can be changed into Boshi with a Gameshark or similar cheating device, sans the shades and spiked collar)."

So in other words, you can make Yoshi blue with a gameshark? I'm deleting this part, as it contributes nothing. Boshi has no appearances in any other game, enough said. Gene S. Poole 01:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty confusing, and Yoshi can probably be turned many colors with a cheating device. –The Great Llamasign here 02:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
16,777,216 to be exact. Now make me a code that gives him shades, spiked collar and bad additude and we'll talk. ;-) 75.153.221.227 11:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshi or yoshi?

Unless I'm missing my guess, "Yoshi" should only be used when referring to our green mascot character, and "yoshi" should refer to the singular in reference to the species as a whole. So far I haven't changed it, but if it's okay with everyone I think I'll try to clear it up. Gene S. Poole 02:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that when referring to the species, "Yoshi" is used. It's usually like that in the games. –The Great Llamasign here 02:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Really? So, as an example,
"Today, we went for a walk in the park, fed the wild Yoshis, and saw a movie."
would be grammatically correct? Weird. That flies in the face of proper grammar laws everywhere.
Gene S. Poole 02:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe so (I'm not completely sure). But since Yoshis live on Yoshi's Island, where would a movie theater be there? The only movie theater near Yoshis I can think of is Yoshi Theater in the Beanbean Kingdom, and those Yoshis aren't even wild. :) I do like making strange comments. –The Great Llamasign here 02:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
...
...smart@$$. ;)
Gene S. Poole 03:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario Bros Movie

(Please, no comments about the quality of the movie <_<)

The article notes that in the movie, Yoshi is much too small for Mario to have ridden him. Could he not be a baby at this point? As I understood it the movie takes place around the time of Super Mario Bros, which may explain the distinct lack of Yoshis in the games at that point. 75.153.221.227 11:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshi's grab

When I played Super Smash Brothers as Yoshi, I saw him grabbing edges of platforms. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.10.200.101 (talk) 02:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

.......Alright....and? your point is...?
For that matter, the Yoshi in SSB who is grabbing is not really Yoshi. as per the SSB premise, that would be a toy of yoshi, and as such any characteristic of the SSB Yoshi would not be attributable to the real deal...
Gene S. Poole 23:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshi created for NES?

http://wii.ign.com/articles/761/761605p1.html has an interesting comment: He conceived of, early on in the 8-bit days, the idea of mascot Mario riding astride a great green dinosaur. But the NES couldn't handle it. Nintendo's first console didn't have the power. So while Yoshi was born in the '80s, he lived for years only in the pages of Shiggy's many sketchbooks. That would be a really nice point here, as most of this article revolves around Yoshi's appearances but not about its creation. -- ReyBrujo 03:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure we can consider reliable any source that refers to Shigeru Miyamoto as "Shiggy". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "LEWZMP's Diary DS"

Someone keeps adding that Yoshi appears in something called "LEWZMP's Diary DS". Can someone shut him up or something? - NES Boy 03:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Apparently it's a fangame or the something (sources [1] [2]). There's nothing we can really do about it either, the person/people adding this is likely using a proxy server (stupid dial-up). --FlyingPenguins 02:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Yoshi

I just noticed that in SMW, a Blue Yoshi can continually ascend by holding the jump button. That doesn't seem to work with a Green Yoshi using a blue shell o_o --Phred Levi 18:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

What actually triggers the continuous ascent is that Mario is Caped, meaning as long as Mario has a cape, any kind of Yoshi when capable of flight can continually ascend. — NES Boy 23:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I do believe I have found vandalism

You will find it at the bottom of Yoshi's SSB information. 82.42.162.112 07:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Then removie it.—ウルタプ 12:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Nomination: most archaic and middle-class English heading on a Nintendo page! The globetrotter 22:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does Nintendo fully own Yoshi?

This may sound like a silly question, but I noticed in a press release presumably from Nintendo or Sega about "Mario and Sonic At The Olympic Games", Mario, Sonic, the Wii, the Nintendo DS, Luigi, Knuckles, and Tails are all listed with a Trademark ™ after their name. Yoshi, however, is listed with a ®. I haven't studied up much on any differences, and would have just ignored this, however, the Mario cartoon DVDs that are coming out are unable to include the Super Mario World series, as Nintendo wouldn't allow them because of some unmentioned details about Yoshi, though don't quote me as I lack the source at the moment. The one who mentioned this said that it's possible it could of been that Nintendo didn't completely own the rights to Yoshi... DinnerSonic 11:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saddle?

Dude, it's a shell. It looks exactly like the shell on dozens of other Mario creatures. Someone should fix the MarioWiki entry too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 22:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

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