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[edit] Whill

For the final time, Yoda is not a whill. Someone please change it.

[edit] Dark Yoda

I remember reading something about when yoda turned dark for a short while and someone said if he had confronted palpatine he would have annihalated him. Can anyone confirm im not imagining this, id like to get hold of the book, thanks.

Ah...I forget the title. But it was actually kinda funny. 68.192.117.112 13:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It's 'Dark Rondevouz' or however you spell it. It's when Yoda goes to Vjun to talk to Dooku. Yod asks Dooku to tell him of the dark side, and thats when Dooku thinks this.

[edit] The Muppet Factor

The question is, is Yoda a Muppet?

I would say the general definition of a Muppet is a Jim Henson Productions puppet... therefore Yoda is certainly a Muppet.

He's voiced by Frank "Fozzy Bear" Oz, for crying out loud. Of course he's a Muppet.

Yes - relucantly, I agree. He's a Muppet, but I don't like to think about it. --Gedge67 10:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
No - Yoda is a character in Lucas' grand epic, Star Wars. Yoda is represented in multiple medias, such as the written word, a digital representation, as well as a muppet.
Exactly. Sometimes he is a cartoon character in Star Wars: Clone Wars, sometimes he must be imagined in one's mind based on his appearance in a novel, sometimes a puppet in a film, sometimes drawn as a comic book character, sometimes animated in a video game, and sometimes a digital character in a film. The Wookieepedian 05:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
What? Yoda is no Muppet! He is God! I worship him. I have a shrine to him in my lunchbox. How dare you!!!!!!!

-Hate sent from the crazy kid with a yoda shrine in their lunchbox

He's a Whill. :P The Wookieepedian 04:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

He's NOT a whill. We've been over this before, dammit. Read the section RIGHT below this!!! It was SuperShadow who came up with that whill nonsense. Judging from their history, I think it's more than fair to say that the whill thing is a pile of crap.

It was a joke. I know very well he is not a whill. The Wookieepedian 15:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

ROFL... Yoda's not a Muppet... Except to those "nonbelievers"; just kidding! Starwarsnerd 16:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think Yoda is a muppet. How many muppets do you know that could handle a lightsaber as efficiently(The Great Gonzo aside). Granted he was originally a puppet, and is voiced by Frank Oz, but do we consider Jabba to be a Muppet? Yoda was created for Star Wars, and Yoda can only be described as ... Yoda. Aericanwizard 22:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yoda is absolutely not a Muppet. A Muppet is a puppet character created by, or under the direction of Jim Henson or his company (the characters of which are now owned by Disney). —scarecroe 04:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Species

Spoilers, obviously. Warned, you have been!

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

At the end of Ep. III, Yoda says something about the Whills. (Read the script, which only made me MORE anxious for when the movie is released where I am small town, northern Maine), and don't you think that confirms Yoda's species? --Draconiator, May 20th, 2:13PM

Very interesting. Can someone that's actually seen the new film confirm this? --Sirkumsize 06:14, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
I saw the new film; it is never stated that Yoda is a Whill, as expected. --24.253.120.206 10:50, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
I read the novel twice and saw the movie twice. Wasn't the comment about Qui-Gon's study of the Whills? Anyway, Lucas has stated that contrary to rumor, Yoda is not a whill. --M412k 01:23, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
So what the hell is a Whill then??? --SkeezerPumba 01:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
According to a Slashdot post (yes, not the most authoritative source around), "Rick McCallum answered that at a convention once and said yoda's race has never been identified, nor had his homeworld; but he was definitely not a whill." --mako 08:12, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Read the Wikipedia entry on Whills, they're supposed to be very powerful beings, allegedly immortal. It makes sense that Qui Gon would learn his immortality from them. It also makes sense that Yoda is not a Whill, otherwise he'd already know the secret.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whill -- Solberg 14:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg

Anybody remember the old "Journal of the Whills"? Cool!

Per Lucas's plot summary of Episode IX (available on SuperShadow at http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode9/plot.html): "Grentarik, the home world of Yoda the Whill." Pretty much sums it up, eh?
Well, Supershadow is a fraudulent site on the most part, and "Grentarik" was made up by SuperShadow anyway...his Episode 9 script is fake....so are Ep.7 and 8. Pretty much sums it up doesn't it? lol --Heddfones 17:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
That website has interviews with George Lucas on it so I doubt it is fradualent. --darth malice
Those "interviews" are completely made-up, so yes, that would go along with the site's fraudulence. --Nufy8 22:21, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

so.... yoda isn't a whill??? lol Starwarsnerd 16:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Just a suggestion, based on a few loosely based facts. There is a long-playing prophecy in the Star Wars universe that there will be a chosen one, overwhelmingly powerful in the force, who will bring it to balance. George Lucas has himself said that the mass of a living being effects his force level, e.g. Anakin loses power when he loses his limbs. Finally, Yoda and the three known examples of his species all seem to be incredibly powerful. Yoda and Yaddle are on the Council, and another person of his species is found in the KOTOR games on a statue in Korriban. Yoda and his species are unknown, as is their home planet, and Mr. Lucas has been tight-lipped about both. Perhaps, just perhaps, Darth Plagueis was not the first Sith to create a force being. Perhaps, just perhaps, he was only the first Sith to create a human. His predecessors would then have made Yoda and the few of his species that are known. If this were the case, then the ancient Jedi could have seen what was going on, had some insights into predicting the future, and foreseen Anakin's career. Just a suggestion. [Tallhwch@yahoo.com]

Yeah, Although it may have been false as well, I remember something rather official (Not from a random Starwars fansite, although I can't remember where) stated his race, and I remember it starting with an "E". Perhaps this is all rubbish that was circulating in the past and I'm not up to date, but thats simply something I remember.

[edit] Yoda vs Palpatine

(sorry , don't know where to add this , but here)

I really don't think Palpatine and Yoda are evenly matched. Yoda is definitely stronger because Palpatine was standing inside the Senate Pod while Yoda was standing near the edge of the Senate Pod with nothing to stop him from falling. Both sides of the Force repelled each master, but Palpatine was repelled with a somersault from the inside of the Senate Pod (the chair inside the Senate Pod should counteract some of the repelled Force) and Yoda was just repelled with a smaller distance. One can verify this by watching the DVD frame by frame. Yoda had to leave because of his location but not his skill with the Force.

I am hoping that author can incorporate this fact into the article.

Sorry, but that should not be incorporated into the article. It oozes POV. You, I, and everyone else, including Sith fanboys, know that Yoda is arguably more powerful than Sidious. The Sith Master is seen obviously trying to outduel the great Jedi, and takes an extremely risky gamble. But the fact of the matter is Yoda lost, albeit it to luck. Go to the Palpatine talk page, I believe there is a debate on the subject there.

The fact of the matter is Yoda was on the defensive most of the time, although neither opponent could gain a definitive edge over the other in terms of saber combat. Once Sidious realized this and took the high ground, he began to dominate over Yoda though, keeping the Jedi Master on the ropes. I shall quote the official entry for Yoda from the Star Wars databank: "Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chambers, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two entered into a spectacular duel -- a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's light and dark sides. The Emperor proved too powerful to defeat. Though Yoda held his own for much of the duel, in the end, the Sith bested him. He realized that directly confronting the Sith would be doomed to failure. Defeated, Yoda slinked away into the shadows of the Senate chamber's cavernous depths, leaping into a waiting getaway speeder piloted by Bail Organa." I know some people debate the validity of the databank entries, and that's ok. Nevertheless, unlike the Mace vs. Palpatine duel the situation is far less ambiguous. Take from this what you may, but for now lets try to keep the article as NPOV as possible. --Exor 19:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age

Here's a query - how can Yoda be 900 years old when he died if he lived from 896 BBY - 4 ABY? --Barneyboo 15:11, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

896 + 4 = 900 doesn't it?
Oh yeah, my head was totally in the wrong place. For some reason I was thinking 896 BBY was 104 years before 0! Excuse my stupidity. :S --Barneyboo 23:05, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
900, long lived species he is. --Heddphones 17:08, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yodatsch

IMHO Yoda speaks English (Galactic Basic) using the, perhaps more-traditionally (in the Star Wars Universe, anyway) German syntax and conventions. That arranged can be.

IMO this isn't true - eg. "Agree with you the council does. Your apprentice Skywalker will be." - if you keep the word order it sounds as awkward in German. The problem here is rather the focus, normally we put the 'most important' thing at the beginning (for example to us 'the council' is more important, but Yoda shifts focus to the agreement). (as a side note a professor here used Yoda quotes to illustrate non-standard grammar in an English grammar lecture at university here, hehe) (--clem 11:03, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC))

Not only does it sound akward in German, it sounds worse in that language than in English. In German, the main verb always takes "second position" grammatically in a sentence, whereas in English although we have natural tendencies the main verb's placement is still more flexible.

People repeatedly associate Yoda's grammar with German, and the reason is that unconjugated verbs fall at the end of German sentences. Yoda places the main (conjugated) verb at the end of his sentences. When people say that "the verb" is at the end of German sentences, they generally are referrign to the verb that tells you what's really going on, which is often not the conjugated verb. For example, in the sentence "I have gone home for the summer," "have" would come first in a German sentence and "gone" would not appear until the very end, leaving an English speaker that's listening to impatiently wonder what the speaker has actually done during the summer at home until we finally find out that he's "gone" there: "I have for the summer home gone." Now for examples using Yoda's words, which I hope will illustrate all this well: Yoda's line: "Agree with you the council does." With German syntax: "The council does with you agree." (Although, to be completely accurate, the German translation of this sentence wouldn't include a word for "does," but this example demonstrates the difference between which verbs Yoda ends with and which ones German ends with.)

I don't know what influenced George Lucas to make Yoda speak like he does, but I just read Philip K. Dick's The Man Who Japed, and in this novel characters occasionally end a sentence with a verb. Almost like Yoda it is.

[edit] new "Quotations" section

In case you had not noticed, there is a link on this page to wikiquote page on Yoda.


[edit] Obi Wan

In Episode I, Obi Wan Kenobi is an aprentice to Qui-Gon Jinn. How does this work with that yoda trained him? --Anonymous

Yoda was a master to most of the "modern" Jedi. For example, he was training the children in Attack of the Clones when Obi-Wan walks in seeking advice about the "missing planet." --Cbarbry 04:51, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Nevermind that Obi-Wan mentioned that Yoda was his teacher in ESB. --Chris5369 02:14, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Additionally, there was a chain: Yoda->Dooku->Qui-Gonn->Obi-Wan. Kyle Maxwell 18:03, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
But in the jedi apprentice seies particuarly in the first one it clearly shows that obiwan is looking for a master and quigon after lots of drama accepts him.
just because Yoda taught obiwan as a youngling does not mean that he trained him! nor does the chian affect anything.
How about leaving it with the simple explanation? Yoda trains all the younglings the basics until they are about 8 or so, that appears pretty obvious - therefore he did teach Obi-Wan. Some of you say that this doesn't count but obviously the basics are important - like how you can't learn something in the field of aerospace engineering without basic math. Now would that mean that you didn't learn math from your grade one teacher? NO! Anakin was at an age where he bypassed the basic youngling training stage that Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and even Dooku received from Yoda and went straight from learning from Obi-Wan. The council felt that Anakin was powerful enough that he could go right into the rank of padawan learner. I'm pretty sure that covers all bases on every count, so could the nitpicking fanboys please drop it? The technical reason for this in the prequels was probably that Yoda is a difficult character to film and would raise production costs by at least a few more million and add probably another year on production. Cut the filmmakers a break, they did a good job. 72.57.10.124 04:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

How about this explanation... GEORGE LUCAS MADE A RETCON BECAUSE HE MADE THE FLIPPIN LAST THREE MOVIES FIRST! THERE ARE SOME INCONSISTENCIES! GET OVER IT! There, I think I made my point adequately Radman 19:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoda's homeworld

Someone changed his world to Grentarik. Does anyone have proof that Yoda has even revealed his homeworld at all, much less say it was Grentarik? Otherwise this is fan-cruft or N-Canon and should be left unknown. --Riffsyphon1024 20:31, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was wondering; you just beat me to the discussion page. :p According to StarWars.com his homeworld is "unknown." Sounds like more fanon to me. I'm removing it until someone can give a source. --Cbarbry 04:41, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
And the same for his race, which some would say was "Whill", however canon says he's never revealed it much like his homeworld. --Riffsyphon1024 03:06, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If the policy is that we don't have fanon in the articles, maybe (probably) we should take that out, too. The way it's presented in the article, the reader can tell that it is unofficial: "several websites cite his race as 'Whill.'" Thoughts? --Cbarbry 07:45, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The question is: which sites are those? And would the non-reliable supershadow be one of them? --Riffsyphon1024 18:46, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yoda's homeworld is definitely Dabogah, as seen in Episodes V and VI. I mean, wouldn't it make sense that he live on his homeworld? A perfect place to hide from Darth Vader, since 1: I don't think Anakin knew Yoda's homeworld. 2: Dabogah is the perfect place to hide: swampy, misty, and a little scary. --Anonymous
First off, it's not Dabogah, it's Dagobah. Get your spelling right. Second, Yoda hid on Dagobah from the Empire. This does not mean this is his homeworld. I will revert these edits again. --Riffsyphon1024 01:29, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
I took it out. Unless this is something recent that Lucas has released for the new movie, it's just fan fluff. In the DVD interviews/commentary it's mentioned that you don't know what race Yoda is, and sounded like George was going to keep it that way. --Cbarbry 06:40, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
FYI Yoda went to Dagobah b/c the great evil of the tree would help mask his power.
It was more than the tree... more specifically, Yoda went to Dagobah because the planet was the site of a great battle between Sith and Jedi eons ago. Many in the battle died horribly and thus the planet is "haunted", full of violent emotion and pain of the Darkside. The Darkside is so strong that it cancels out Yoda's force signature and the Emperor would have difficulty finding him. There are obviously ruins on Dagobah, you can see them in Ep V, in the scene where Luke enters the cave, you can see a flat wall to one side, possibly the remains of a man or alien-made structure there. When Ep 3 goes to DVD, we may see a deleted sceen where Yoda is walking away from his Kashyyk escape pod and standing for a moment to take in his new home. It was taken out after Lucas felt Ep III had too many "ending scenes". --SkeezerPumba 01:53, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Really- I had thought that what initally masked Yoda was the sheer fecundity of the planet, and the Dark side masking only came about because Yoda defeated and killed one of the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi- before Senator Palpatine became Chancellor (according to "Visions of the Future", as Jorj Car'Das tells it.). 'Course, how he knew where to find Yoda, and why Yoda was there to begin with, is a different question. --maru 13:11, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
It was also the fact that this planet was removed from the Jedi Archive which is very comprehensive. i believe this was mentioned in Jedi Acdemy the video game--jackchen123
For more information as to why Yoda chose Dagobah as his planet of choice for his exile, you should check out the wookiepedia article on Yoda. Particularly the early life section, most, if not all of the information provided on it is canon.

[edit] Article improvement

The "sardinian" thing is patently ridicolous, not encyclopedical at all and somewhat offensive.

I think articles dealing with Star Wars characters such as this one should focus primarily on the roles they have in the six movies, the symbolism around them and the inspiration for them, and the cultural significance they have, and only secondarily on the nuances of the Star Wars "continuity" and "expanded universe". There should be something in this article about how Yoda is a science fiction interpretation of a archetype of eccentric Taoist and Zen Buddhist holy men. Stuff like that instead of boring useless facts invented by mediocre novels. --Anon. 17:44 05/19/05

If you can do that while remaining rigorous and NPOV, you are entirely welcome to it; this is Wikipedia after all! But I caution you, no Original Research. --maru 00:47, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Height

I think it would be interesting to see Yoda's height among the rest of his stats... --Anonymous

Is there now. --maru 00:47, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


[edit] How about this article rewritten in Yoda-speak be?

I've started, see if it works:

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A fictional character in the Star Wars films, voiced by Frank Oz, Yoda (896 BBY–4 ABY) is. According to George Lucas, partly based on Mickey Mouse he is. In all of the franchise's installments except for Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, he appears. Like many names in Star Wars, etymologically derived from Sanskrit the name "Yoda" may be: the Sanskrit word for "warrior", Yoddha is. "He knows," or "One who knows" in Hebrew yodea is.

True, both etymologies may be, hmm.

-History-

One of the members of the Jedi Council and arguably the wisest and most powerful Jedi Master in the Star Wars universe, standing only 2' 1" (0.666 m) tall, Yoda is. In his lifetime, several notable Jedi Yoda has trained, including Count Dooku, Mace Windu, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Luke Skywalker.

Secret, the name of Yoda's race George Lucas has intentionally kept. (referred to as Whills, Yoda and Yaddle sometimes are, but pronounced canonical this species designation has not been). In fact, of Yoda's life before the events of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, very little is reported. One of the Jedi Masters who ran the mobile academy aboard the starship Chu'unthor, he was. From the Expanded Universe, this is known, and that the ship's data tapes in the care of one of the natives, he left, when crashed on Dathomir the ship did.

At the climax of the Battle of Geonosis (in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones), Count Dooku Yoda duels, and Obi-Wan Kenobi and Kenobi's Padawan Anakin Skywalker he saves. Though seemingly frail, confused and aged, a mastery of Form IV lightsaber combat Yoda demonstrates. For drawing heavily on the Force to achieve extreme acrobatics, it is known (the seven forms of lightsaber combat, see).

In Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Darth Sidious the warrior Yoda battles, but unable to defeat him he is, and wrecked by the Sith Lord, the Senate building is. Meanwhile, to kill Darth Vader, Obi-Wan Kenobi he sent. To swap Kenobi wanted, because the thought of having to fight his beloved pupil, he hated. But "Powerful enough to defeat Sidious, you are not", Yoda said.

At the end, revealed that Yoda has been in contact with the spirit of the late Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, it is. Although this is given little attention in the film, in the novelization, that Padawan to the late Jedi Master's spirit, Yoda actually becomes, it is revealed.

During the Great Jedi Purge that launched the Galactic Civil War, easily slays his attackers and escapes to Dagobah, Yoda does. There, the arrival of Luke Skywalker, he awaits. When Luke arrives, to teach him in the ways of the Force, after initial reluctance, Yoda agrees. Prior to finishing his instruction, however, to leave Dagobah in order to confront Darth Vader and save his friends, Luke chooses. To return to complete his training, Luke promises, but on his arrival, Yoda, greatly weakened by old age, informs Luke that completed his training, he has, but until he faces his father, Darth Vader, a Jedi he will not be. Die at the age of 900 and become "one with the Force", Yoda does.

--

How about that? --200.195.76.74

You people are just sick. --Linuxbeak | Desk 23:37, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
I just don't have the words. --A Man In Black 23:42, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Amazed, am I! --gkhan 23:46, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
Hehe. Also: No. (Also: Hehe) --W(t) 23:48, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
Aaaaa the geekery is almost unholy. Funny though :p --Inter\Echo 23:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I feel a great disturbance in the Force... As if a millions grammarians cried out at once, and were suddenly silenced.
Inappropriate, for an encyclopedia this is. Decide against it the Council must, hmm? --maru 02:10, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Sense of humor, do you have? Or sense of humor, do you not have? I think this was a joke.
JesseG 02:38, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
Inexperienced in the ways of mockserious-humour this young one is. --maru 03:22, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Denounced you, the true Star Wars fans have. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:55, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
Quite good, that example is. But "hmm?" after sentences in various places it needs, I think. Something like this:
A fictional character in the Star Wars films, voiced by Frank Oz, Yoda (896 BBY–4 ABY) is. According to George Lucas, partly based on Mickey Mouse he is, hmm? In all of the franchise's installments except for Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, he appears. Like many names in Star Wars, etymologically derived from Sanskrit the name "Yoda" may be: the Sanskrit word for "warrior", Yoddha is, hmm? — JIP | Talk 14:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If a transcript of speech by Yoda we are talking about, a 'hmm' included may be, but otherwise - not.
Paranoid, you guys are. Maybe get a life, you should consider, hmm?

Bibliomaniac15 02:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... funny idea, this is. But a bad one, somewhat.

Yoda921 00:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Yoda

[edit] D'kana

Someone made the full name Yoda D'Kana. As Hadal correctly pointed out, most of the sources that list this name also call him "the Whill", which this article claims as incorrect. Perhaps someone in the know could explain where the D'Kana bit comes from, and why it's incorrect (or correct). --W(t) 06:45, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

Supershadow. Need I say more? --Lord Patrick 10:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] His diet

In The Empire Strikes Back, Yoda cooks a stew of roots and leaves. He lives in a world teeming with animal life but chooses to eat only vegetable food. He is obviously a Vegan. If you deny this, you are fighting against the truth.

Come on, you can't honestly jump to such a conclusion under the circumstances. Sure, he eats roots and leaves from what we see - if you only see me eat vegetables once or twice, does that make me a vegan? No. In fact, how do we know he isn't a vegetarian and not a vegan? Do we really know that he rejects all animal products? We cannot, and hence, there is no basis for a claim that he is a vegan, unless there is some canon source that officially states that he is. --Nufy8 20:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
You must also remember that in V he tries a chicken finger (at least thats what it looks like) and complains "How you get so big eating food of this kind?" --70.105.68.30 02:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I hear the Rebellion provides its soldiers with free coupons to Arby's. Nufy8 03:09, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
It looked like a frozen breakfast sausage to me. CrossEyed7 21:59, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
The key phrase here, anon, is "at least that's what it looks like". We honestly have no idea what is it- it could be a nasty energy bar thingy for all any of us know. --Maru (talk) 22:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


Well all the other stuff looks like veggis and the like. (i just like to argue)(i dont know who's right) 70.105.68.30 00:34, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
That's the thing, no one can be right. You can't say for certain he is a vegan, and I can't say for certain that he isn't. That's why, without any substantial proof, it's best to avoid personal speculation of that kind. Nufy8 01:33, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I thought I made my point, but you still seem inclined to add this vegan nonsense to the article. Incase you missed my edit summary, I'll say it here: rewording the content to include "probably" and "most likely" isn't going to get around the fact that it's an unsubstantiated claim. This is bordering on trolling, and I'll ask you politely once more to stop. Thank you. Nufy8 22:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC

You musn't forget what he said to Luke in ESB: "COME, good food, COME." Quite frankly, I'd rather not know any more of his diet! :P The Wookieepedian 22:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ask George

Why don't we ask George Lucas? --Anon

Because Lucas shuns his fans; he prefers to run his businesses and ruin movies, not deal with minutiae of SW. --Maru (talk) 16:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
If Yoda took a bite out of a "chicken finger" or some other dead-animal product and spat it out in disgust, that is evidence for vegetarianism, not against.
Of course, it may be it is not a matter of personal conviction with Yoda, but Biology. Maybe his species (who are not "Whills") are natural-born vegetarians. In dinosaurs, if the teeth are pointy, they are carnivores. If the teeth are blunt, they are plant eaters.Yoda does not have those pointy meat-eater teeth. --Anon
Uh, actually, he does. It's quite obvious in RotJ. --Nufy8 17:05, 24

September 2005 (UTC)

Really? Please cite a scene. I only remember one scene where I got a close up look at Yoda's teeth (rather dismally, it's the scene where he falls to the Senate floor), and his teeth, at least the front row, are all clearly blunt; they are in fact very similar to human teeth, except with noticeably more spacing. I would speculate, if Yoda were a "real" biological creature, that he is most likely either omnivorous or herbivorous. Not that it matters, because Yoda isn't real. I think. --Solberg 12:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg
When he's on his death bed. Nufy8 17:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll go check out the scene later. For some reason I hallucinated and thought you said RoTS instead of RoTJ. Darned trilogy parallelism. ;) -- Solberg 19:10, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Solberg

I've always thought it interesting how closely Yoda's voice resembles that of Grover's from Sesame Street.207.157.121.50 03:11, 24 October 2005 (UTC)mightyafrowhitey

Especially in The Phantom Menace! lol! The Wookieepedian 05:02, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

How do even know yoda eats? He could be like a cow and chew roots and grass like cud. Yeah what now? Representing the RVA. Drink TANG! -Reynolds, amanda reynolds

look, maybe my brain slipped a little, but has anyone seen a jedi eat meat? Ever? I'm trying to think, but you don't see jedi eat that often anyway, and the fact that no one knows for sure what their food is made of complicates the issue. But I can't think of any time when any jedi has eaten meat in the movies. Maybe it's part of the Jedi Code. Kordos

Anakin ate some bugs in Star Wars: Clone Wars Chapter 22. Does that count? :P The Wookieepedian 15:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

well, what about the fact that those might not be roots? they could be boiled slugs? (and i have a REALLY good hunch that the chicken finger thingy is like a protein cube. at least, thats what anakin and obi-wan eat in the eu before ep II... and about the voice, it is grover, lol, frank oz is the voice over actor for all the movies (and seseame street :P) -starwarsnerd

There is an excellent external link, which has been often vandalized out of the article, with no explanation for the vandalism. The link:

I thought I made this quite clear before, but I'll say it again. Some random vegetarian Web site that created their own interview with Yoda is not in the least bit notable, and if it continues to be added to this article, will be taken as linkspam vandalism. Nufy8 16:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it is you who are the vandal, removing a valid viewpoint that does not agree with your own prejudices.64.107.2.16 18:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

You fail to understand why that link is not valid for this article, and I don't feel I have to explain myself any further than I already have. So, to prevent a pointless argument, I'm just going to end this discussion by asking you (and anyone else who's been adding that site) nicely for the last time not to insert that link into the article. Thank you. Nufy8 19:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Conversation between Yoda and Qui-Gon Jinn

In the Episode III novelization when Yoda says "A very great Jedi Master you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. A very great Jedi Master you always were, but too blind I was to see it.", does this mean that Qui-Gon Jinn is considered an equal to Yoda or that he is slightly superior in his knowledge of the Force and as a Jedi? --82.92.119.11 5 November 2005 12:34 (UTC)

The above comment was made by User:60.234.211.140, not me. [1]. This user seems to have a history of signing with different account names. 82.92.119.11 21:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
It does not necessarily imply either interpretation- Qui-Gon could well be a great Jedi Master, but not greater than Yoda. --Maru (talk) Contribs 04:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yoda's species

I don't know,this may sound weird, but I think yoda is a human from earth and of Serbian-American descent. --Anon.

Wow. --Nufy8 01:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
You are right. --Maru (talk) Contribs 03:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

In re: Claims that Yoda is a Quarren. The Quarren are a Squid-headed species, taller than humans. Yoda, they aren't. Ref: Starwars Databank:Quarren ZZ 02:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Right you are. Nufy8 02:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

agree I do also. a quarren yoda is not... lol Starwarsnerd 16:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Freakin' UFO-extraterrestrial-hyperevolution supporters! Bibliomaniac15 02:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoda mastered all saber form?

The aritcle has a section which stated Yoda mastered all seven form of lightsaber combat. This is unbelieveable! I don't think there is any source proving that! It was always said Yoda mastered Form IV, never mention any other. Should we remove it? Darth Kevinmhk 04:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead. Nufy8 04:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey Nufy8, fans from Wookieepedia just informed that indeed Power of the Jedi RPG Source book confirm Yoda mastering all forms. Maybe we should put it back in. Darth Kevinmhk 16:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Done. Nufy8 18:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to interupt so late but I thought only Mace and his padawan mastered form 7. 70.105.109.83 15:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You may be thinking of Vaapad, the second, perhaps more mature, variation of Form VII. Juyo (the earlier version) has been mastered by many Jedi and Sith before, including Palpatine and apparently Yoda. -- Solberg 03:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)Solberg

[edit] Death

Is it just me or his death is like barely touched upon in this article. Where? How? When? Why? Tutmosis 13:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

It's promptly mentioned in the Return of the Jedi section. Yoda's death is a major scene in that film, so there's not much mystery surrounding it. PJM 22:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Article states that all other characters died violently and unnaturally. Padme died during childbirth, which is neither. 216.176.105.92 18:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd hardly call dying during labor to be expiring of natural causes. --maru (talk) contribs 02:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree, although perhaps it should be changed to ... Yoda is the only character to die of old age Aericanwizard 22:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
With Padme however, she died as a result of not wanting to live and because Anakin choked her. Thus, the violence caused by Anakin acted as a catalyst for her death, and therefore she must have indirectly died a violent death

[edit] Warning

There should be a warning at the top of the talk page warning against the weird things in this page. ^^ Bibliomaniac15 02:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I also think that "Please respect Etiquette, assume good faith and be nice." is down the drain. Bibliomaniac15 02:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status

Ummm, I think i read somewhere that Yoda was "...the grand master of the Jedi Order...a first among equals..." I really remember seeing that somewhere but I'm not sure if that's real, or simply some crazed fan trying to elevate Yoda higher than he already is.

I vote for the latter. --maru (talk) contribs 03:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
As do I. The Wookieepedian 04:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, it is c-canon, see below, thanks. Darth Kevinmhk 10:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CG Yoda screenshot

The screenshot of a CG Yoda sitting in his Council chair claims to be from The Phantom Menace, but I'm not so sure. This article itself states that only two CG shots were taken of Yoda, and that they were distant shots. Although I don't have a copy of TPM with me to verify this, I personally do not remember seeing a close-up like that of a CG Yoda until Attack of the Clones. I bring this to the talk page because it seems to have been disputed through various reversions (and one I just did because it messed up the image tag), and the image's page states in several places that it is from TPM, which I'm doubting. Comments? Nufy8 01:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

It's the new CG Yoda mentioned in the text. A lot of people thought the puppet they made for Episode 1 looked dumb, and ILM had wanted to have him CG in the first place, so they're changing it. The footage they've released so far can be seen in the documentary "The Chosen One" on the Episode 3 DVD. So yes, it is from Episode 1. CrossEyed7 01:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, at the ROTS DVD press conference, Rob Coleman was specifically asked if the puppet Yoda had been replaced in TPM, and he confirmed it, saying they had already completed that as a test for ROTS. I added that image here as a screencap from the clip of it on the ROTS bonus disc. The Wookieepedian 03:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I must have skipped the last paragraph of the "Animating Yoda" section. Thanks. Nufy8 04:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
This is the image from TPM. The changed Yoda back to CG in Attack of the Clones. The image in the article that claims to be TPM is the look from Attack of the Clones. I have the most recent DVDs released for all six films (that includes the original three films that come in both Special Edition and Theatrical Cut), and Yoda did not look like what this article claims, in the Phantom Menace, he looked like the image I just provided in the link. In Attack of the Clones they changed him to CG, and made him look more like his ESB and ROTJ appearance. What you are claiming as fair use is a supposed image for a future DVD, that has not been released. There is no citation with this information, just the assumption that it will come out in 2007, at some point. The words of the article are " This edition will most likely be part of a 2007 DVD release of the Star Wars saga." That's some major crystal balling there. No citation, and can it be proven that the featurette wasn't using some later footage from the next two installments? Does is explicitely stat that it plans to release a new rendition of Yoda for Episode I, so that it looks like the next two episodes? From the wording, it appears that there is a lot of assumptions going on.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  19:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Master of the Jedi Order

[edit] Possible inspiration for the name "Yoda"

I'm a (much later) graduate of USC, but I bought a copy of the Alumni Directory (a phonebook-size tome). For fun I looked up some of the more famous alums, including Lucas. When I looked at his graduting class from the film school, there was someone who actually had Yoda as a name. I'm almost certain of this. but it was a while back and I need to check. I will have to go find the book which is somewhere in my folks place to 100% confirm (unless someone here knows someone with the directory...). "Inspiration, it may be". Bobak 21:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Side

If I have done this wrong...please excuse me and edit it out...In Sean Stuart's book "Yoda: Dark Rendezvous"...After haggling on a starship price, Yoda states " Not Interested in fair am I...Interested in results." Doesn't this sound like it should be totally the opposite for a Jedi?..It sounds like a Sith Mantra! --Evan

I find it amazing how quick to point out that someone can be considered a Dark Sider because of one isolated incident involving something that could in some way be considered a dark side action. As far as I'm concerned, there's no debate whether Yoda has any dark side tendencies, all the good he did would outweigh it all anyway. --Deskana (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I would NEVER question whether or not Yoda had any darks side tendencies. I was instead questioning what I thought was a poor "adage" by the author...I think Yoda would NEVER have said "Not Interested in fair am I...Interested in results," as the book had him saying. I was not criticizing Master Yoda...but rather the author, Sean Stuart. Thanks for your reply- Evan

Perhaps my comment was too general then. I can see it happening to be honest. Everyone has emotions, even Jedi. Besides, you've taken the comment too out of context for me to give my honest opinion. Besides, according to Star Wars canon, whether we agree with it or not, Yoda did actually say that. --Deskana (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

"Yoda: Dark Rendezvous" is only C-Canon and therefore very open to interpretation by us. I just feel strongly that it was a poor choice by the author...like at the end of WIzard of Oz, when the Proffessor says to the tin Man.."Remember it's not how much YOU love, but how much you ARE loved."..NO..thats totally backwards!! It makes me wonder if some non-SW-head editor got his hands on it or something!!-Evan

S-canon? I was pretty sure Shatterpoint was C-canon. --maru (talk) contribs 20:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I did say Shatterpoint in my last comment...what I meant was "Yoda: Dark Rendezvous"...the Sean stuart book my original comment was about. I'm re-reading shatterpoint now, hence the mistake...BUT you are right Shatterpoint is C-Canon..and "Yoda: Dark Rendezvous" IS listed in Wikipedia as C-canon..but its a non-lucas-commision...not approved by the lucas estate (should be S not C) but still fairly good--Evan

I left the comment about Yoda in Dark Rendezvous in there, but there's a problem: it says that he battled Dooku 8 years after the Battle of Geonosis, but Dooku died 3 years after that very battle. Anyone have the correct date? Nufy8 17:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of information about Talk Like Yoda Day

I'm helping a group of Star Wars fans to get a new internationally recognised 'Talk Like Yoda Day' organised. The world already has 'Talk Like A Pirate Day' (wikipedia has an excellent article about it) and if 'Talk Like Yoda Day' is advertised enough, it could take off very well, just another fun parodic holiday. The date decided for Talk Like Yoda Day is May 22nd, which is the day after the anniversary of when the world first saw Yoda on its screens (the release date of Empire Strikes Back). There are links on the TLYD homepage to the Yoda-speak generator I've been working on (http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/) to help prospective Yoda-talkers. :)

To help spread the word, we'd like it if the Yoda article contained a mention of Talk Like Yoda Day and its date, as well as a link to the Talk Like Yoda day homepage. Perhaps in the External Links list. So for now I'm testing the water to see what people think of the Yoda article containing this data.

By the way our website is http://www.talklikeyodaday.tk --Recurring 13:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Come back when it is as notable as TLAP day. A plan isn't notable. --maru (talk) contribs 01:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte Dagobyte

An IP editor is randomly adding Dagobyte into the article. It started with him trying to convince me that we should change Yoda's race to Dagobyte, but since I was unconvinced, he has been replacing random words with Dagobyte and won't stop. I suggest that any user which adds the word Dagobyte into the article inappropriately be given a {{subst:bv-n|Yoda}} on their talk page, since it seems obvious to me that its all the same person. That sound good? Dagobyte. --Darth Revert (AKA Deskana) (talk) 19:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

--Ugh!! Its sooo obvious that Dagobah could not be Yoda's home planet (therefore NOT a Dagobyte), because if it were his home, it would be the last place to hide from Palpatine and Vader...eventhough Luke is taken to Tatooine (which may seem an obvious place to look) BUT it is only because of his having family there (though a somewhat weak argument)...AND the fact that Tatooine is the LAST place Vader ever wishes to return (Sith Lord: Rise of Darth Vader. It is one of the mysteries which we must accept..we DO NOT KNOW the race of Yoda, Yaddle or Vandar Tokare.--evan

[edit] Yoda Parody Phone Calls

Does anyone know where to listen or download them? The one with yoda and a adult hot-line was particularly funny.

[edit] Kingdom Heart's fighting style a homage to Yoda?

Is there any proof of this? Like a interview with the creators of KH or something? I'm gonna remove it. Manhatten Project 2000 01:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] who taught yoda?

I was just wondering and noting how its no where in the article, and maybe its never noted of who taught the great master yoda.

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[edit] benevolent

What is the "Yoda was the only person to die benevolent" section supposed to mean? Wouldn't other Jedi qualify too? Bibliomaniac15 22:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"Benevolent Death"

While she didn't die in a state of peace, Padme still did not die a violent death. So maybe Yoda isn't the only one to qualify

[edit] Yoda

I think it's has good information and has a lot of good pictures. The information is accurate. Videogamefan1992 15:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

The deletion of the etymology section is highly unacceptable and the reasoning given was entirely inaccurate. If one were to read the information presented in my contributions to the article, it should be clear that for those interested in the etymological origins of the word Yoda, this section offers useful information/insight. The argument of saying that the section is unecessary being that the information is already given in the introduction is based on false pretences, i.e., the summary had not even mentioned the entire concept of "Jota"/"Joda"/"Juda". Moreover, even if that were not the case, the very idea of this argument is erroneous, as the very purpose of any section is to elaborate on the concise summary given in the introduction. There is a significant difference between mentioning something and explaining it. Conclusively, I hope that upon reconsidering all of the preceding, it is clear to you that the previous reversion of my contribution was in error. sloth_monkey 04:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Then if the "Jota" nomenclature is to have any creedence, then someone needs to include sources much better than those provided. Note that the info regarding "Jota" is from a second-hand source: an interview with a historian in a film. Moreover, there is no reference to an actual Masonic text. Therefore, this is an unverified claim. I'm also deleting footnote number 5 because it's not citing a specific source. Frankly, it's a dubious claim put forward by a crack-pot "occult researcher" and doesn't belong in a wikipedia article about a Star Wars character. Alcarillo 18:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
In further support of my assertions that this has no place here, please see this discussion on deleting an article about Jota. In light of this, I recommend the Etymology section be deleted. Alcarillo 18:45, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed much of the info from Maxwell because of WP:OR. No actual Masonic sources are referenced, therefore Maxwell's assertion is speculation. I also removed non-relevant info re: Maxwell's opinion of the origin of the work "British". Alcarillo 15:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article candidate review

[edit] Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of November 30, 2006, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The article is mostly well-written. The prose could be tightened up, and there are a handful of awkward constructions (such as "A typical example of Yoda's speech pattern is from Return of the Jedi: 'When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not.'"), but for the most part these are not serious. There is some redundancy; for instance, the section about Yoda's personality mentions the speech pattern twice in nonconsecutive paragraphs. There are a few other instances where re-organization of the prose might benefit the flow of the article. The lead is too short, and too much of it deals with the etymology issue -- it should go into a little more depth about who Yoda is and why he's important, giving a sort of overview of the article.
2. Factually accurate?: Borderline. The article lists references, but, with only a few exceptions, it does not utilize inline citation to "back up" its claims. The lack of citations is probably the greatest impediment to this article reaching GA status. The article contains marked unsourced statements.
3. Broad in coverage?: The article is thorough. The "Animating Yoda" section could possibly use some further expansion, but the character and his role in the films are treated in depth. I do not see this as an issue.
4. Neutral point of view?: There are a few statements that might be construed as POV, lacking sources. One particularly egregious example is "Yoda, having mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat, is considered the best duelist in the Jedi Order of his day." These statements should be removed or their sources cited.
5. Article stability? Discounting vandalism and reverts, the article appears to be stable. No issues.
6. Images?: The images are nice, and the layout is reasonable, but I think using nine movie screenshots begins to strain the rationale for fair use. I would recommend trimming to perhaps three or four screenshots. The fountain is licensed under Creative Commons and probably fine.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. --Shimeru 21:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I would add that the Etymology section is speculative at the moment, and lacking credible sources. Overall, references are lacking and often don't follow Wikipedia formats for citations. An article about such an exalted SW character deserves better. Alcarillo 18:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoda's Age

There is a discrepancy in Yoda's age - being 367 in the prequel trilogy, and 900 at his death. Isn't his because the calendar system changes during imperial rule? I believe the classic trilogy era uses a pre-post empire system??

[edit] Which world would that be then?

"and is also a worldly diplomat comparable to Windu. "

Djarcas 18:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age again

who ever said that Yoda was 900 exactly? i thought it was closer to 921 or 926. Where is the citation for this? Mace Windu 00:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the sentince: "A strange note is that Yoda was referred to as 867 years old in previews for episode two, and 900 at the end of the saga.", why is this a strange note? Any reason to belive that there aren't 33 years between the ep. 2 and the end of ep. 6? Pdarley

[edit] Vadalised

This article (Yoda) has been vandalised by some idiot. Please remove the stupid remarks they added. 172.181.109.8 15:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, the edit you refer to seems to have been reverted. Just to check, you do know that all articles are created using a wiki? Thanks, GChriss <always listening><c> 18:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tail?

There are over 12,000 questions about Yoda worldwide, but none perplex SW fans more than this: Does Yoda have a tail? I think he does. I mean, did you see his weird little feet?! How else could he keep balance? - Rabid Yoda

Is there any proof for this...any at all? Mace Windu 00:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reads funny...

"These skills, in particular, show a far more profound knowledge of the Force than most Jedi Masters or Sith Lords of his time possess."

I read this statement three times and something just doesn't read right... Any better suggestions? --Gleezus 21:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoda and Shotokan Karate

Is it just me, or does Yoda bear a ressemblance to the founder of Shotokan Karate, Master Gichin Funakoshi? Look at pictures of Yoda. Then look at pictures of Gichin Funakoshi. I think they look similar. Even creepier, is that like Yoda, Master Funakoshi was diminiutive, but a very powerful martial artist. By "powerful" I mean his techniques were so perfect it was pretty much impossible to hit him, and he was so skillful in Karate he could adapt it to any situation. Also, like Yoda, he never got into many confrontations, and in the same way Yoda is respected by Jedi, Master Funakoshi is respected and revered by Karateka the world over.

I think the parallels are both creepy, and funny. You know, with the "Jedi" being represented by Karate people, and so on. I could be wrong though. Anyone else's opinion is most welcome regarding this. Also, please, when you compare pictures of Yoda and Master Funakoshi, out of respect for Master Funakoshi (who is actually a real, historic figure), please, try your hardest not to laugh.

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.63.78.98 (talk) 23:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC).


[edit] If yoda is so great how he got defeated by the sith

Yeah i would like to know the answer, he has all of these powers, all of this swordmanship yet that old dude defeat him.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 00:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yoda was not defeated by Palpatine, but instead retreated because of the even match of their powers. The Emperor had spent many years of his life concentrating on the dark side of the force, and was such a master that he was capable of hiding his presence from the Jedi Council while still orchestrating a war where each side did not know that he was an agent for the other. The Emperor's control of the dark side was (In my humble opinion) equal to that of Yoda's control of the light side. 24.163.35.169 07:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

This isn't relevant to the article.Take this elsewhere Xavcam 07:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opening paragraph & Frank Oz

I believe that the opening paragraph - "Yoda (voiced by Frank Oz)..." - should be edited to remove "(voiced by Frank Oz)". This seems to indicate that the Yoda character exists only in the mediums where Frank Oz provides the voice. It negates everything regarding Yoda outside of the five films he appears in. The inclusion of Frank Oz as the voice provider for the films should be mention later. --Bentonia School 16:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inspiration for Yoda

A Tai-Chi teacher of many many years ago claimed that his teacher's teacher (may have been Cheng Man-Ch'ing) was a consultant for George Lucas and actually provided inspiration for the Yoda character. This seems unlikely, but... Mr. Lucas might have had some contact with Chinese Tai-Chi/Qi-Gong master, or at least read about such, and may have incorporated some characteristics. The idea of the 'force' in the original three movies very much complies with the more legendary concepts of 氣, "qi" or "chi." If anyone has information about this, I think it would be very enlightening. Cuvtixo 18:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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