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[edit] Re: Vandalism

No problem! Thanks for posting the alert at WP:AIV. ;-) And 199.86.17.78's reply is nothing to be worried about; it was quickly reverted. Cheers, Sango123 (talk) 20:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] David Yazbek

I fixed the parents info. Check it out and fix as you see fit because I'm going to bed. Thanks for the discussion. Shigpit 03:07, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] R & I and Ashkenazi

Hey Yid613, welcome to the R&I and Ashkenazi pages; we can always use the help :) --Nectar 06:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Show Boat

Very nice job on the Show Boat revision. [http://heronwatermusic.blogspot.com/ musickna]

[edit] Demeaning?

Hi Yid. I haven't had the opportunity to edit many pages on contemporary persons, so may not be up to speed on what counts as best practice. Still, I find non-contextual racial/heritage information to be essentially demeaning, in that it allows the reader to use cliche thinking to categorize the individual and his/her heritage.

Example: Joe Blow, an Irish American, invented the kazoo. vs Joe Blow invented the kazoo.

OR

Joe Blow was an Irish American serial killer. vs Joe Blow was a serial killer.

I have no problem with

Joe Blow was an Irish American humorist who specialized in retelling Irish folktales. OR Joe Blow was an Irish American chef who won the Irish Culinary Institute Gold Award for best boxty.

as this provides a context for the person's field of activity.

Jewish-American as relates to Abe Burrows article is to my thinking irrelevant.

I call irrelevant heritage information essentially demeaning because such adjectives suggest that there are, for example, "ALL" inventors and some sort of subclass of "Irish-American" inventors. Demeaning because the adjective suggests that Joe Blow shouldn't be considered as part of "ALL" inventors or compared with "Non-Irish-American" inventors.

Further demeaning because it suggests that one's heritage is essentially defining, and to be associated with one in perpetuity. How is Joe ever to be free of that Irish-American label, once it is applied? Whether he wants to be part of that group or not, OTHERS have defined him so, and it not for any act on his part.

I assume from your username that you are a Proud Jew, and I would certainly understand that you wish to extend your pride to Mr Burrows by noting his participation in that heritage of which you are (justly) proud (or so it would seem from your username).

I'm an old coot, not a youngster like most of the wiki editors, and grew up through times when becoming aware of the subtlety and pervasiveness of racist thinking was a hard-fought personal battle. Before the PC police existed, individuals had to face the nature of racist language and thinking as individuals, and come to their own conclusions. I came to these conclusions independently, and have tried to live by my conclusions as best I can.

I don't mean for us to argue, but since you asked for my thoughts... Thanks very much for asking. --Nemonoman 01:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

PS I'm not going to get into a revert war if you want to put the adjective back. PPS. Just checked out your userpage. We share similar political philosphy (dem/lib/Israel). Also pleased to see that you are feeling your way through the racist language questions. Hope my thoughts provide a helpful addtional datapoint in your evolution.

[edit] Response to your notes

Thanks for your answer. Good to find careful thinking by well-intentioned and thoughtful editors.

I think Jewish American is ENTIRELY appropriate re: Sholom Aleichem for example. Wish that excellent example had occurred to me.

Also I think you raise a good point that some information, e.g, Jewish-American, might seem more appropriate in later paragraphs than as in the opening sentence. I think I might have a peek at the George Washington Carver article, for example. He was notable not because he was Afro-american, but because he was a first-class scientist at a time when few Afro-americans were educated, let alone scientists, and his achievements served to change attitudes toward Afro-americans. I DON'T think that he should be called an "Afro-american" in the first sentence.

I work on a number of articles about India, and I'm really troubled by Hindu/Muslim revert wars. See Aurangzeb history for some intense activity. Also that Hindu is being used as a replacement for Indian or Indio-. For example a lot of discussion about changing the name of article Arabic numerals to Hindu-Arabic numerals. Like they were made by persons of a religion, not of a geographic area.
BTW, I was frankly surprised that Abe was Jewish! It never occurred to me wonder! Thanks for that info!--Nemonoman 02:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Subject

Hey Matt! whats up? I hope things get better for you :) Ive noticed some changes you made on your page and some additional editing youve done too. Good Job :) Ive finally taken the time to do some editing and added stuff to my page too!...If youre interested, of course. haha. I mean, you told me to do something, so I did. Lol. Not just because you told me to, but ive got to make up for the lost information i saved on my previous account. Well, this is a start. By the way, it was really nice seeing you again at school. Hope to talk to you soon. Take Care :) ~Amanda

[edit] Compromise on DCV and an apology

In recent days I have grown disgusted with Deeceevoice's comments and actions. As a result, I am withdrawing my support of her. That said, Justforasecond has behaved very poorly throughout this entire affair but more so in recent days, placing comments on DCV's talk page merely to stir up trouble. As such, I am proposing that both DCV and JFAS be placed on personal attack parole for a year at [1] Perhaps this is a compromise that a majority of the parties involved could agree to. Please check it out and see what you think. In addition, as a side note to this I am apologizing for my use of "lynching" to describe this RfAr. Best, --Alabamaboy 20:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Subject

Mateo Just saying hi ^^ I made a new artical about WMDs in the Middle east...I sorta recreated it...or IM in the process of doing so...lol. I'll let u know when I finish it and then you can edit it! Hehehe ^^ Anyway, have a good weekend ya? C ya =] Whatupshorty45 05:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MUN

Mateo Have you ever had Legal Committee for MUN? If you have, can you let me or Melinda Know? We'd really appreciate it. luvs u lots. take care ya? Whatupshorty45 23:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dcv experience level

hey yid613,

i put the comment about deeceevoice's experience because the arbitrators are hinting that her behavior might be due to her poor understanding of policy (on the /Proposed Decision subpage). 10,000 edits is enough for someone to be an experience user...and anyway, many people have told her about the policies.

ignore guettarda where possible, he is just trying to set peeps off. i sent him an email and he sent me a very nasty response (typical allegations of racism, etc)

Justforasecond 06:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User Page

Sholom Aleichem. I took the liberty of adding the section "Userbox" to your page, it moves the boxes down and prevents the overflow floating (at least in Firefox. Feel free to revert if you don't like it. Kol Tuv -- Avi 06:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Show Boat

Thanks for the feedback. I'll see about adding the info, though I need to think of a way of stating it without going into POV territory. I'll see about adding it shortly. Cheers! 23skidoo 02:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks, its all good

Yeah it doesn't effect me, because I see how irrational she is. The funny thing is I wanted her opinion OUTSIDE of wikipedia, and she took it as if I want her advice on how to edit(which I very much didn't). Peace,--Urthogie 11:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing your new page

Hey Mateo! haha i love your new page about gahr ^^ Of course i'll help you edit it...Just fix my spelling. lol. Need anything let me know ya? PS we still gota go to the movies EVENTUALLY. lol. Its cool i forgive you =] anyway have a good weekend. Take care Whatupshorty45 06:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Hey, sorry if you already know this, but Categories such as Category: Jewish composers and songwriters are very likely to get deleted, as things stand right now. Check out WP:CFD for some fights. I have no opinion, just giving you a heads up. Makemi 00:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Our special Website :)

Hey Mateo thanks for the updates on my page. much appreciated... OK, i noticed the one you made about school, but you said you changed/ added multulple things to my page,and I only see one! was that all you made, or am I just missing them? I dont remember online yesterday lol. And im at school waiting for my dreaded bio final >.< so I cant look it up on my computer. Tell me! lol. Take care ya?

PS I added some stuff for the page. check it out yo! xD See ya

Whatupshorty45 18:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why do so many people fail to realize such truthful and powerful logic?

Matthew, I want you to read this carefully:

An Atheist Professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and.....

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, or smelled your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, cience says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but man has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, then yes, of course I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your own opinion, sir? Are you not a preacher rather than a scientist?

(The class is in uproar)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelled it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it, sir.... The link between man & God is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.


Now guess who the student is........ . .. ... .... ..... .... ... .... ..... ....

.. ... .... ..... .... ... .. . ... .... ..... .... ... .. .


That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN.......

Although we've discussed this multulple times, but how can so many people fail to realize such truthful logic? I already knew he was a genius, but wow. I failed to realize how much logic Einstein contaied as well :) My other idol besides Mozart and John Williams xD

[edit] Happy valentines day

Hey Matt! Happy heart day! miss u. too bad ur stuck in Irvine instead of going to the movies or hanging out with me =( lol o well. Hope u do well at your concert thing. Sorry I cant make it :( hope all else is well. I heart you! *as your friend, duh xD* anyway, ttyl. :) Whatupshorty45

[edit] Secular Jewish Culture: citations

No problem: at least there are a lot of accurate citations there for me to clean up, which is 90% of the battle. I don't usually even bother doing this, but this is getting to be a reasonably mature article and it's time that this be done. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Massive. But the existing inline citations are now all cleaned up. - Jmabel | Talk 00:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oyi

Well, either you like it or you dont. Well, this year I dont, but hopefully you do. so i'll go along with it. Happy heart day :) ...please come home this weekend! that'll be fun. PS thanks for the advice the other night. It helped more than you think :) Thanks again. Have a good day! Whatupshorty45 03:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] gahr page

By the way, I added our new and improved Gahr music department site to the 'External Links' section. ...Ok its not THAT great. Its really new and it doesnt have much on it, but it is definatly a working progress. And guess what.... ...come on dude, guess!....ok fine. Im assistant webmaster! Tehehe. We're planning to add more pages, and make on of them 'Gahr Band Alumnies'. Guess who I have photos of....! Muwahaha. =D Whatupshorty45

[edit] Opera Project

Welcome to the Opera Project! Let us know if you need any help or whatever. Lots of writing to be done there!

Kleinzach 01:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Jewish States

Hi Yid613: Perhaps you are not aware that one should not empty a category that has been voted for deletion because that is the job of the closing admin who tallies the vote and certifies the vote as "Delete". If you read the wording on the delete template it states "Please do not empty the category or remove this notice while the discussion is in progress" which applies until the last admin does his job by deleting the category which will then be automatically deleted from all pages that it was linked to. It is best to follow this protocol, even if it takes a little more time, so that no technicalities can be dredged up to oppose the deletion. The correct procedure is to contact the admin who closed the debate and "certified" the vote to delete, or even another admin who was not involved with the vote, to complete the process by finally deleting it. Thank you for noting this in the future. Best wishes. IZAK 03:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Conductors

Hi. I see you have added the category conductors to the Opera Project page. Perhaps I should explain that all the categories listed here are opera categories in the sense that they are subcategories of opera. There are lots of relevant music categories, however we are not listing them on the Opera Project. If you wanted to start an opera conductors category it would be part of the opera tree, although having a single conductors category under music seems perfectly OK to me.

Would you mind if we removed the conductors category from the Opera Project page?

Kleinzach 09:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yiddish Operettas

Hello. Glad to see that you're taking an active interest in the Opera Project.

One of the things I did while contributing to the Opera Corpus was to combine the List of operettas with the works in Category:Operettas in order to try to produce a comprehensive list of what had already been done in this area. (Since then, a whole lot of operettas have been added to the List, sigh!, but that's by the way.)

Anyway, as well as deciding that The Swing Mikado didn't really fit, I omitted the three operettas of Abraham Goldfaden that were listed (Schmendrik, Breindele Cossack and The Witch of Botosani), because, reading about them and about Goldfaden, and looking at the Yiddish theatre article, they (and he) seemed rather too off-centre and specialised for the Corpus - plus Schmendrik and Breindele Cossack are apparently lost, and it looks as if that may also apply to The Witch of Botosani.

Do you know anything about this neck of the woods? Any idea of the extent to which Yiddish operettas resemble(d) Viennese/French/wherever operettas? Are they always performed - if they still are performed - in Yiddish to Yiddish-speaking audiences or are they ever translated? Should any be included in the Corpus?

Partly I'm just curious, but partly I feel slightly guilty about my unilateral decision. Chinese opera has also been omitted, but I think that's a rather different case. Any help gratefully received!

While you're there, I notice that you also signed up for the Classical Music Project. Looking at the Project page and its rather elderly Talk page, I'm rather inclined to delete all reference to opera there and to put in a link to the Opera Project instead - there's one from Opera to CM but not vice-versa - as Viajero suggested at the top of the Talk (but no-one addressed his/her question). Any thoughts on this? I'm rather inclined to just do it rather than broach it on the Talk page again. --GuillaumeTell 22:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] stoning

Hi Yid613,

I am sorry if my summary was offensive. I am aware of some of the arguments that Jews make showing that Jesus is a false Messiah. I may have my personal opinion but I think you should agree that Jesus was accused for blasphamy and was killed. Why does it surprise you? Regards --Aminz 23:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Yid613, Thanks for your reply. It seems that I need to do more research. Take care. --Aminz 23:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nashooz

Yid613, I think Nashooz is not mere disobedience. The act should be at least unrighteous. If not, no need to discuss it. Please change the article directly and I'll look it up later --Aminz 07:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think I articulated the point clearly enough on the talk page. I have no idea whether nashooz refers to wife disobedience or not. My bringing it up on the talk page was not meant assert that it does refer to disobedience. It was meant to imply that since there are both Muslims who believe that it does refer to disobedience (as I proved with the link to the website) and others (like you) who believe it doesn't (or as you have clarified above, that it doens't necessarily). Therefore, if I edited the article to state that these two interpretations exist within the Muslim community, changing the current version, which says definitively (and rather POV) that it doesn't necessarily refer to disobedience, would you be ok with that? Personally I can't think of any reason why one would object. Since I have proved with the link and your comments that both views exist, I think the article should make it clear that both views exist. That's all. Thanks. Yid613 07:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Respect

Respect. R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Dont you wish you could just go up to people with a dictionary and make them look up the word "Respect" and then hope they do it? I do. I'll tell you why though, later.

PS: Hello. How is your day so far today? =]

Whatupshorty45 01:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Respect (Continued)

My day was alright. Except for the previous comment, but I explained. I got regestration for next year. *YESSS AP US! No more algebra untill senior year! *woot woot* o well. I do wish I was in college though. No math PERIOD!. o well. Beethovan rocks!....duh, not like either of us didnt already know that =). Well ttyl. See you saturday! *horray!* Whatupshorty45 03:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm just swamped

Yid613, Thanks for your comments on the talk page. I'll get back to you soon. I am swamped. --Aminz 08:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

How did your exam go? Hope you did well. By the way, it may be aside but I am interested to learn about the traditional Jewish music and their instruments. I guess it should be close to that of other Middle Eastern countries. Thanks --Aminz 03:38, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Goodnight :) --Aminz 11:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I saw your edits to the part "Was Muhammad sinless...." My responses will come soon. I think we should chat a bit about the concept and definition of "faith" and "belief" according to Islam. Thanks --Aminz 10:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Yid613, Thank you very much for your detailed comments. I'll start writing my comments. Thanks.--Aminz 07:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Yid613, I am done with my arguments. Please read my last arguments first. Thanks --Aminz 08:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what I should do. Re: I don’t want to answer your sentences one by one since I am afraid that my language becomes offensive. All I can say, I have my opinion, you have yours. I am not interested in continuing our discussion. Have nice times Does this apply to that paragraph, to the issue about Surah 9, or to the whole section? I don't want to be disrespectful, but if you on the other hand still want me to reply I want to know. Yid613 08:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I would like to know your reply. Please write them.
I'm afraid to be disrespectful (or maybe I have already been). It seems to me that we both have the same historical information, we both read the same text, yet our understanding of the text is different. This can be due to different functionality of our minds or different backgrounds. Anyway, Lets try to move towards closing the discussion rather than expanding it. Thanks --Aminz 22:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Yid613, I hope you are having a good week, too. GOOD LUCK on your exams. Please don't stress out responding immediately and just focus on your school work. I appreciate the discussions too. I have learned a lot from talking to Christians and am really interested to learn more from Jews. It will be useful for me and moreover I can transfer this knowledge to my Muslim friends. It is clear that Muslim countries should undergo some kind of reform. Theoretically, Muslims respect the bible and admit that it is very useful to be read, however they don’t traditionally study it. The Muslim countries are religious anyway and I think if any kind of reform wants to happen, it should start from the religious community. I think studying Bible will clarify to them many things. That is the only way I feel I can serve my people.

I saw your first comments. Honestly, I didn’t want to refute an argument that you didn't make. I am sorry if you felt like that. I’ll write my answer after you are done with your comments. It was partly because of our different definitions of believe and partly because I wanted to clarify what “not believing” in Islam means. I’ll write it down in more details. The other thing, I would like to apologize is that I realized that I don’t insert enough information in my comments. For example, in the case of the word eaman, which literaly means “to become secure”. I should have included more information. Sorry about that. I take the meaning for granted. I’ll write my understanding of the term later but briefly I THINK it means becoming secure of the wrath of God. By the way, thanks for your comment of “Will I be doomed to hell if I don't believe in Hinduism?” Maybe that is the feeling that I have because of being a Muslim. E.g. “O mankind! fear your Lord! for the convulsion of the Hour (of Judgment) will be a thing terrible! The Day ye shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling- babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): thou shalt see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of God.” (22:1-2) I thought if Hinduism is for example true, it would be better for me to believe in it, lest God may have pity on me on the Judgment day. Anyway, thanks for letting me know that there is no such a thing in Hinduism. Have nice times

I don't believe the unbelievers in Islam will go to hell. My question of Zora was only to make sure that I will not miss anything. --Aminz 09:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I have read your recent edits. I am enjoying our discussion and learning a lot. I am really happy that there are different religions in the world. It is very nice to hear the views of others religion. Anyway, this time, I have asked one my Christian friends to find some verses in the bible showing that having faith is also important. :D I will be more prepared this time. :]
~~!!Good Luck My Friend!!~~
--Aminz 10:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey Yid613. Please don't stress out responding immediately and focus on your school work. I am also busy with school these days. Regarding the dhimmi article, I think I should have some wrong impressions of Pecher. But anyway, I feel I am more comfortable when I am discussing with you. I appreciate our discussion. Good Luck on your exams. Thanks and Take care.--Aminz 09:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Islam page

Re my edit [2]. I generally agree with you. The whole article is pretty poor. It is my experience that removing whole paragraphs generally gets a revert response on pages like this, so I'm going through and just taking out the most glaring problems first. When we've established good faith, we can work of the difficult bits (that's my strategy anyway).

The bit I took out is totally unsourced and not very helpful (IMO). I agree the quote isn't terribly logical either, but at least it is an actual quote. The section is 'Responses to...' so I think it should just report what the standard responses are. If it turns out that most Muslim responses to criticism are simply 'but you do it too' then so be it. Regards, Ashmoo 23:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More on Categories

Hello, Yid. You've made some constructive contributions in category making, but as stated above categories like Category:Jewish composers and songwriters are slightly redundant (not to mention bulking up the subject article pages). My suggestion would be to move all composers into Category:Jewish classical musicians and all songwriters/mainstream musicians into Category:Jewish musicians, then have Category:Jewish composers and songwriters either be speedily deleted or renamed into something else. I'll help with the moving if you agree. Antidote

That's fine with me. I'm sorry for all the mess. However, most of the names are either on Category:Jewish classical musicians or Category:Jewish musicians. So I'll just look through each name, if it's not in the other category and remove it from Jewish composers and songwriters, and if it is just remove it from Jewish composers and songwriters. Yid613 20:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Tell me if you want any help anyway. Antidote

Yid, please don't delete the songwriters and composers cat as I meant to create it myself. The problem is that people who were really mainly songwriters or composers are also listed in the Classical musicians category. The solution is just to remove the songwriters and composers from the musicians category unless they really were also well known as a classical musician. Arniep 20:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I haven't done anything, only looking through the category entries right now. But I think the three of us should work out what consensus solution we want before we do anything. Yid613 20:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
When I created the classical musician cat I fully intended to create the composer/songwriter cat. There is no reason to delete it at all. I originally had the composers and songwriters in the classical cat as it was originally "Jews in music" and when it changed to classical musicians the composers/songwriters didn't quite fit. Arniep 22:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, we can do the following:

Idea A) Make a Category:Jewish composers and simply put all the composers in there. Then change the Category:Jewish classical musicians into only including classical musicians (violinists etc). As for songwriters...isn't a songwriter a musician? That would just go into Category:Jewish musicians. Category:Jewish composers and songwriters is a weird combination. Technically both Neil Diamond and Arnold Schoenberg belong in that category. How about just renaming Category:Jewish composers and songwriters to Category:Jewish composers??? This way almost every person only ends up having one category to fill in (even if they profess greatness at more than one). Antidote 04:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Well some people are known mostly as songwriters rather than musicians so I still think it's a useful distinction. But then should we have separate categories for classical composers, musical composers, film score composers, librettists, lyricists? Arniep 00:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey, sorry for the delay. I more or less agree with the proposal above. On one hand, the reason why I created the composers and songwriters category was because I saw that composers and performers were grouped together in Category:Jewish classical musicians and that there was a need to be more specific. On the other hand, it makes sense to say that people should not be in more than one of these categories but only the one to which they are most noted for or worked the most as. Since this is in encyclopedia, every subject that is worthy of an article has to have a certain level of significance, and for people such as musicians it means they have a certain level of accomplishment (feel free to correct this sentence if it is wrong). Therefore, a composer may have played an instrument, but if he is not known for that but rather for his work as a composer, there is no real reason to include him in both a composer category and a classical musicians category. I admit that the composer/songwriter combination is wierd. Granted, there are some people, such as George Gershwin, Kurt Weill, and Jerome Kern, who could be called both. But I have no problem with the above proposal to change the category to "Jewish composers" and have "Jewish classical musicians" have only performers. Thank you both for your patience on this. Yid613 03:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some articles

Hi Yid613, Can you help with Dhimmi , and Jizya? Its one user, Pecher, who is insistent on POVing the article. There are some problems with his edits: 1. he is assuming that whatever some particular has scholars has said is a fact. Instead of writing them as the opinion of some scholar he writes it as a fact. 2. Some of his quotes are clearly wrong. For example, As a shia, I am well aware of the Shia ritual purity. I am also aware of the Qur'anic verse they use to prove their opinion and problems with that interpretation(some shia scholars have pointed that out). But he is quoting wrong statements from some scholar and pretends as they are facts; he also reverts my edits. 3. He is adding irrelevant material to the article without accepting them to be irrelevant (e.g. He has added the picture of Maimonides in the Dhimmi article. It seems that he should be a Jew.) Thanks --Aminz 01:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I should add that I just realized that Pecher have had some very useful contributions to the article. Maybe I was kind of unjust. But of course, some of his edits are POV. --Aminz 07:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Hey great job on getting that little award for contributing to that Islam artical...I think thats what it was (I already forgot >.<) anyway, sorry about my attitude yesterday...hope things are getting better for you. Talk to you later...? Whatupshorty45 02:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello. How are you this evening?...or shall I say this morning? You do a great job in your edits...just thought i'd say so. I got bored and started reading them...very informative. Anyway, take care, and dont stress too much. :) ttyl. Whatupshorty45 08:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Rfc

Please comment on my Rfc. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jersey Devil--Jersey Devil 02:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ‎"‎װיקיפּעדיע‎"‎ and ‎"‎װיקיביבליאָטעק‎‎"‎

[edit] Welcome to the opera group

We look forward to your contributions in this area as it certainly looks as though you have been active so far in many other areas. All the best,

Vivaverdi 21:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guidelines for Wikipedia lists of ethnic groups

Please may I draw your attention to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Guidelines_for_Wikipedia_lists_of_ethnic_groups

Your contributions would be very welcome. -- Brownlee 11:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Hi

Hello, Yid613. My name is Moshe; I am an Ashkenazi Orthodox Jew and a descendant of the Satmer rav. I'm not new to this website, but I am to its userpages. It's nice to meet another frum person on Wikipedia! I notice you have a Chinese surname; are you an oriental Jew?

Kol tov, --MosheA 16:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient Near East warfare taskforce

I see you’re a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Near East. Might you be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Ancient Near East warfare task force? See its talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Ancient Near East taskforce? Neddyseagoon 15:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Musicals

Hi! I'm leaving you this message because your name is listed as a participant in WikiProject Musicals (previously WikiProject Broadway) or I feel you may be interested in the project. It seems that the project has laid dormant for quite awhile, but I would like to work toward getting it up and operative. I have a few ideas that I've outlined on the talk page, and would love your input. Working together, I think we can signifigantly improve the quality of the articles relating to musicals on Wikipedia. —  MusicMaker 06:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hey Memel Long time no talk on wiki! Lol...i havnt done anything with wikipedia in a long time. bad me. lol. Well, hope things are well for you. Take care :) Whatupshorty45 17:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism

Hi Yid613: Please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism, one of the largest forums for discussions between editors of Jewish articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism#Directory of participants and join or commence discussions at the talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Thanks for considering this. IZAK 06:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism

Hi Yid613: Thought you would be interested in the latest adventure that has started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism (perhaps you may want to join) and the discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Shabbat Shalom. IZAK 12:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote request

Please Vote, as per wiktionary the correct spelling is Wiktionary:anti-Semitic NOT Antisemitic. 67.70.68.51 12:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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