Talk:Yehuda Krinsky

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[edit] Old comments

He is NOT the father of Sholom Ber Krinsky of Vilnius, Lithuania.

Is there a different high-ranking Yehuda Krinsky in Chabad, then? It's certainly possible. My apologies if I was mistaken.ShalomShlomo 10:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)ShalomShlomo

• Hello everyone, please sign all your comments with the four tildes ~~~~ so that we can know, and keep track of, who is saying what to whom. Thanks a lot. IZAK 08:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Sholom Ber Krinsky's father is Pinchos Krinsky from Boston. Sholom Ber is Rabbi Yehuda Krinsky's nephew. Also there is no "Chabad's six person Central Committee organization, which oversees the three central Lubavitch organizations" rather each of the main three corporations has its own board of directors and trustees, none of which oversees the other. The three corporations being Merkos L'Inyonei Chinuch, Inc., Machne Israel and Agudas Chasidei Chabad. (Kehot Publication Society is a direct subsidiary of Merkos L'Inyonei Chinuch, Inc. with no formal corporation.)Scholom 01:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

• • I'll change the family relationship if you clarify Krinsky's organizational role in Chabad. Sound good? ShalomShlomo 03:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

There's no need to make deals. The information is incorrect, hence its removal. This applies whether or not his organizational role has been clarified. Daykart 18:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid I have been misinterpreted. I had no problem removing the incorrect information, and, as you'll note, later did. I was simply saying that I didn't have the knowledge to cogently make the other edit the poster mentioned was necessary, and was suggesting they do so. Sorry for the confusion. ShalomShlomo 02:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

That's okay. Interesting, three of the posters on this page have the same name. My name is "Sholom" in real life. Daykart 04:37, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yudel joke site

Should a like to the Yudel joke site http://yudelkrinsky.com/ be added? 220.233.48.200 16:24, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

No, it is not encyclopedic. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 16:34, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

It is a humor site on him, other articles have such thing IIRC. 220.233.48.200 16:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

The Prophet Yeshaya (53:4) foretold that Moshiach bears our illnesses, "choloyeinu hu noso." It is well known that Yudel once had a cold which afflicted his health for several days, and also caused him to go through several boxes of Kleenex.

This one is a classic. 220.233.48.200 16:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree, that one is a classic. And PinchasC, you have no right to talk. What with your little google-bombing or whatever the hell you call it? This has far more to do with Yudel then your link on bekishe has to do with that. Daykart 04:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

The link in bekishe explains why hasidim wear long black coates every day. That is vastly different than a joke site about Yudel Krinsky. Joke sites are not encyclopedic and do not belong on wikipedia. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 04:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Or do they? I believe that Flying Spaghetti Monster is all about a joke site. I would appreciate if you allowed the link to remain until you can cite relevant Wikipedia policy. Remember, you have been voted in as administrator, not as Yehovah Eloheinu Schneerson. Daykart 08:15, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Daykart, no personal attacks please. As for the site, it is an attack site of which there is no indication that it is a "classic". For a site to be a classic there would need to be lots of other sites (and not just the blogs of some meshichistim) mentioning it. I would be more inclined to find a bona fide page about Rabbi Krinsky, e.g. where he did his shlichus, whether he wrote any books etc etc. JFW | T@lk 09:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Dr. Wolfe, I believe you misunderstood me. I never claimed that the site is a classic, I merely concurred with user:the-guy-who-won't-register-and-is-known-only-by-his-IP-address that the line from the website quoted above is a classic. I'm looking for a bona fide page about Reb Yudel, and will post a link as well as expand the article when I find one. However, due to his common-sensical attitude towards all things Lubavitch, two-thirds of the sites which I find are mirrors, redirects, or links to the "joke" site; and the other third are attack sites of the immature variety. I have great respect for Rabbi Krinsky and the work that he's done. (Incidentally, my current apartment is near the area where Reb Yudel grew up.)

As for my "personal attack" on PinchasC, allow me to explain. PinchasC has, on several other pages, deleted links to humorous sites with the claim that joke sites are not encyclopedic in nature. I asked him to leave it on until he can bring a Mar'eh Mokom quoting Wikipedia policy; in addition, I reminded him that Flying Spaghetti Monster, among others, is a joke site that has not just mention on Wikipedia, but its own page. In order to prevent a revert war and possible abuse of power, I reminded PinchasC that he is merely an administrator; i.e. not to grant himself powers which he does not already have.

Two more points: The "Joke page" is to be found mostly on anti-Meshichist and non-Chabad blogs, it is a parody of the adsurd "proofs" from Torah brought by the Meshichists. Additionally, I'd like for you to do a little Cheshbon Hanefesh and tell me whether this is truly a personal attack, or whether you took it as one because your religious sensibilities were offended by my rant. Freilichen Chanukah! Daykart 16:34, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Your speculation about my motives is not contributory to the discussion. I do think that calling PinchasC "Yehovah Eloheinu Schneerson" is offensive.

As for the link: have a look at the external links policy. I think that if this article is to have external links, the first one should be a bona fide link about Rabbi Krinsky, not a joke site. The joke site can then follow as the second or third link. JFW | T@lk 08:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

You're right. It was wrong for me to write that and I apologize. If you want, I can edit it out.

As I said earlier, I'm looking for a bona fide link. When I find one, I will place it as the first link with the joke site following. The policy page is silent on the topic of such sites, as is its talk page. My argument for inclusion of the site is its notability within the Chabad, ex-Chabad, and anti-Meshichist communities. Once again, the site is a spoof of Meshichistenism, not an attack on Rabbi Krinsky. I myself have much respect for Reb Yudel and for the work that he's done for Chabad both before and after the Rebbe's death.

As a side note, I can write the article on Agudas Chasidei Chabad and will do so this weekend. Can someone else write articles for Merkos and Machne Israel? Also, should the Aguch library have its own page and is Barry Gurari worthy of an article? Daykart 16:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I would say that there is one major problem with this approach. The fact is that Melech Jaffe (author of http://www.moshiachlisten.com/ and the joke site) claims that Krinsky is the de facto successor to the Rebbe. I doubt very much that he is alone in that contention. And, I think that the very public nature of Joffe's contention makes basically everyone who disagrees want to keep Krinsky out of the lime-light. Hence, there will never be an official site. I think there should be a discussion of this in the main article, with a link to the parody. User:PhatJew

As for removing the attack, see WP:RPA (a disputed guideline). As for the link, as long as you describe external links there is no need to worry; are you sure it's a spoof? Then document it as such.

I have no idea whether there is anything about the Aguch/Barry Gurarie/Didan Natzach incident that is not already in the relevant articles. It's up to you whether this needs a seperate page, but I doubt it. References would be nice though. JFW | T@lk 18:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

The site is based on sicasm to prove he is moshiach, have you clicked the disgree link... 220.233.48.200 17:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meshulams Changes

Mr. Meshulam, your changes are inaccurate, and violate the rules of Wikipedia. If you continue to change this living person biography, I will report you. Scholom 06:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what your basis would be for reporting me. The fact is that Krinsky was appointed secretary to these organizations, and was then appointed executor by the will. The will did not make Krisnky president or chairperson of these organizations. He took that on his own. The old version is accurate. Your new version glosses over those facts. Furthermore, the old version has been there for awhile (with Pinchas's additions. Your force your new additions on here without consulting the talk page despite the fact that the old version was agreed upon by consensus a couple months ago. I am changing it back to the original version. You can seek a consensus here on the talk page. I imagine Pinchas prefers his version, and I prefer his version. Assuming you support your version, there are now 2 votes for Pinchas's version and 1 against. --Meshulam 03:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

This page is a bio of an individual, not an essay on the Lubavitcher Rebbe's Will. The only relevent point to this page is that this individual was made executor, period.

On the subject of the Will itself, it does not address the institutions at all, as they are legal corporations not personal. The Will is a personal instrument, hence does not address who should or should not be on the board of the institutions.

The institutions as mentioned are legal corporations, that operate under the statute of New York State governing such entities. In 1990 the by-laws were restated giving the board the right to elect individual to positions of Chairman, Vice Chairman, Treasurur and Secretary. Operating within this legal structure Rabbi Yehuda Krinsky was voted as Chairman-this being the only relevent point to his bio.

If you have issue that the corporate structure is not in accordance to The Lubavitcher Rebbe's wishes, you are welcome to bring that up on The Rebbe's page.

As mentioned, this is a living person bio, and must conform to the rules.Scholom 04:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

All of that is fine, but it is accurate to say that he took such actions despite the fact that they were not sanctioned in the will. It is also relevant. I am not drawing conclusions. Under wp:NPOV, it is acceptable to bring relevant facts without drawing conclusions. If you feel that, based on the facts, that Krinsky was not following the Lubavitcher Rebbe's directives, that is your conclusion. My job is to report the facts, as I have done. Now, you are outnumbered and have failed to form a consensus. If you continue to revert this article, you do so in defiance of Wikipedia policy. --Meshulam 04:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)