Image talk:Yamauchi.jpg

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it.

The result of the debate was to Delete the image.

We've been over this before, Chowbok. The likelihood of being able to obtain a free picture of Yasui is extremely low or completely unlikely due to the laws in Japan. Unless you can provide a free replacement, or prove that one is actually obtainable, then please stop marking these images. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Our fair use policy forbids using a non-free image if a free image could be created that could be used in its place. See criterion #1 and counter-example #8. In this case, it would be possible to create a free image; therefore this non-free image may not be used. Whether a free replacement image exists or not at this time is not relevant. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 18:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and that's a patently absurd policy. Forbidding a fair use image just because there may be an extremely tiny possibility that a free image could, maybe, by some odd chance exist. Hell, that excludes any possibility of having images for any living person, period. We're here to make a good encyclopedia (preferably free, too, but that is not always possible), and excluding the use of any fair use images for any living person is complete lunacy. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 02:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to like our Wikipedia policies very much. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I just have a problem with this one when its used to remove images that have very little (if any) probability of being replaced by free images just because a very small group decided that there is a minute chance that someone could break the law in Japan and snap a photo of a celebrity without permission. That is what I have a problem with. And please don't act all high and mighty by calling them "our Wikipedia policies." I work here, too, and have for quite a while. This is the only policy with which I have a problem, and it's not even the whole policy; just the one part you're using to remove legitimate fair use images. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no real point in arguing about this pending your investigation. If you can demonstrate to us that photographing celebrities in Japan is illegal, you'll have a much easier time convincing us that these images are not replaceable. Arguing about the policy itself isn't really going to get you far, as it is dictated from pretty far up. —Chowbok ☠ 21:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I was simply replying to Quadell. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The image only serves to illustrate what the person looks like, therefore it could be replaced by any other image depicting the person.--Oden 13:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Um, wouldn't it make sense to find a free image first before deleting this one? In fact, why do we even have a fair-use policy that allows non-free images in certain circumstances if we aren't allowed to make use of it? All this time wasted on bullshit like this could be spent making articles better, rather than slapping deletion tags on everything. --Captain Cornflake 00:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it would simplify matters if Wikipedia only allowed free images (the free encyclopedia), since the use of fair use images will always need to be restricted (a completely unrestricted use of fair use images would be devastating). But this is not the place to discuss policy changes. --Oden 07:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The point is, we have a policy relating to fair-use images for a reason, which is exactly for circumstances like this where free images aren't readily available. Find a replacement free image before deleting this one, so as to preserve the integrity of the article. --Captain Cornflake 18:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

We do have a fair use policy for a reason, WP:FU. And if you read it, you'll see that it is not permissible, according to that policy, to use a replaceable non-free image of a living person. See counter-example #8 and criterion #1 for details. Not even if a free image has not yet been found. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 19:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Criterion #1: No free equivalent is available. It is meeting that spot on, because (looking back at arguments) nobody has been able to find a replacement image for the past YEAR. You state "Whether a free replacement image exists or not at this time is not relevant" when in fact it IS relevant because none is available, therefore meeting Criterion #1 which you so love to source so much. But you know what? To hell with it. I learned to deal with elitist Wikipedians long ago, which is don't argue because nobody listens anyways. --Captain Cornflake 00:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you read the four words after your quoted snippet? ". . .or could be created". You have to follow the entire criterion, not just the part you like. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)