Talk:Yakko's World

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All the words of the English language?!? Somehow I doubt that little piece of trivia.

• He did sing them, but they cut to him after the cartoons, like a news show.

Why are the lyrics gone??? HELP!--72.136.49.4 20:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

If you try reading the whole page, you'll see the discussion about this under Copyright Infringement. Birkett 14:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Missing countries 2 "Irregularities"? 3 Wakko's Wish ref. 4 Copyright infringement 5 Countries?

[edit] Missing countries

Northern Ireland and Whales are not countries, yet are listed under "Missing Countries." I think they should be removed, any agreements? Screw it, I'm deleting them both now. I know Yakko treats Scotland as For reference, the entries I deleted under "Missing Countries" are:

1. Wales (a constituent entity of the United Kingdom)#
2. Northern Ireland (a constituent entity of the United Kingdom)

EDIT: ACtually, I'll leave it for now.

[edit] "Irregularities"?

I don't understand why this is listed as an irregularity:
Yakko refers to "Germany now in one piece", as German Reunification took place almost three years prior to the premiere of the show.
I really don't think the intent was to say "Germany in one piece, which just happened last week"... the fact is that for decades they were separate entities, and at the time the episode was produced were finally (and somewhat recently) reunited. On a side note, why are several countries listed under "missing countries" with side notes explaining that they didn't exist at the time? The paragraph before it specifically cites most of these, and the term "that notwithstanding" indicates that they shouldn't be listed again. - DynSkeet * Talk 20:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The Democratic Republic of Congo and the Republic of Congo are actually two different places, so it is not an irregularity.

At the time of the song Democratic Republic of Congo was known as Zaire, which Yakko refers to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: Kransky (talk • contribs) 02:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Wakko's Wish ref.

In the direct-to-video film Wakko's Wish, when Yakko flubs a line, Dot comments, "Nice going, Mr. United States-Canada-Mexico-Panama!".

I never saw this. I've seen the movie numerous times, and don't remember this. In fact, I watched it YESTERDAY and didn't see it, so...am I missing something here?--70.160.205.82 21:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, as far as I know it's not in there. So I've removed that "trivia" point. However, I can find a couple of online sources to corroborate its presence in "Cutie and the Beast" (even though I haven't seen that one), so that one stays. --Quuxplusone 03:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright infringement

Surely posting the entire lyrics of the song violates copryright? And while wikipedia is not distributing the video directly, linking to the video on YouTube also appears to be contrary to Wikipedia:Copyrights. If no one objects, I will remove the lyrics and links. Birkett 20:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the links. There is no doubt there. However, I'm not entirely convinced that copyright can be claimed for the lyrics alone. In my oppinion it alone does not have enought "original creativity". IANAL --Frodet 21:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

IANAL either, but song lyrics are no different to any other form of artistic work. Also, I found Wikipedia:Lyrics_and_poetry which explicitly mentions that song lyrics should not be included unless the copyright has expired or an open licence allows wikipedia to redistribute them. I am removing the lyrics section. Birkett 10:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not questioning song lyrics in general, but this lyric. It's is merely a list of country names, no copyright there, the word "and" a number of times and some other articles with the odd adverbs. I still do not think this particular lyrics has the "original creativity" any copyright legislation requires, but US practice may have, unknown to me, a more laxed requirement for originaliry? Where could we get an oppinion by someone with authority? --Frodet 16:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The difference between the lyrics of this song and an alphabetical or unordered list of countries is that this one rhymes, has a rhythm to it and takes the form of a song. That counts as creativity I think. IANAL Birkett 17:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what qualifies as fair use on an external page, but according to Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking to copyrighted works those are okay. Do you think this (which includes a copyright disclaimer) is suitable? -Shannernanner 11:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

If you read the very same page you linked to, it says that linking to copyrighted works is ok "as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else's copyright". Since the page in question gives no evidence that permission has been granted for the use of the lyrics, linking to that page is no different to linking to the video on YouTube. Birkett 14:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are implying that I did not read it, but I'll take that as unintended. According to Wikipedia, fair use does not dictate that permission must be granted in order to use a copyrighted item. However, as I said, I do not know exactly how fair use works outside of Wikipedia, which is why I asked. -Shannernanner 16:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I caused offence. Copying something in its entirety doesn't constitute fair use, I'm pretty sure of that much. Birkett 17:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I will leave you all to decide whether the lyrics should stay in the article, but I do not believe that this work is appropriate at Wikisource. --Benn Newman 21:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the policy is, but I don't believe that the entire lyrics constitutes Fair use, as the song can be adequately described and discussed without the full text. --DDG 21:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Countries?

This entire article makes constant, incorrect and ambiguous references to "countries" even though the first lyrics clearly state that Yakko is expounding the "nations" of the world. Nations and countries are two separate entities, and should be treated as such.

Nation, as defined in wiki's own Nation articleNation:

In the strict sense, terms such as nation, ethnos, and 'people' (as in 'the Danish people') denominate a group of human beings. The concepts of nation and nationality have much in common with ethnic group and ethnicity.

Whereas

Country denominates a geographical territory.

Thus, much of the article is flawed on the face.

The "Irregularities" and other "flaws" listed are, in many cases, not flaws at all, if the definition of Nation is correctly understood. For example, while Palestine may not (currently) be considered a country by most (i.e. its borders are not currently defined), it IS, even in the strictest sense, a nation.

This is not to say that "Yakko's World" itself, is not flawed in the same sense. But then the article should at least make reference to this fact.

The article should also preserve the use of the term nation, and not country, as that was apparently the intent of the writers.

68.73.118.34 16:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)BradS - Chicago, IL