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I'd like to include a link to share an unmixed version of "Talk" but I'd rather not considering the C+D orders that other sites have been getting. --Madchester 01:09, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)


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[edit] Using The Sun as a source

The Sun's recognized globally; for the tabloid that it is. First they posted a X&Y tracklist that was off from the official one and now they claim the cover is part of a contest? OK.... --Madchester 14:36, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)

[edit] Album Cover Message

The article (currently) claims the album cover is encoded using ITA2. Reading in columns, from right to left, bottom to top, we get:

11101 (1D)
11011 (1B)
11000 (18)
10101 (15)

From what I can tell, in ITA2, that is:

X
FIGS
9
6

It could also read X9Y if FIGS was assumed to apply only to the next letter, but that isn't what the ITA2 article says. Reading from right to left gives "YO/". --Colin Barrett 14:07, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is this any help decoder Vanky 18:31, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Read this [1] --Madchester 00:45, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

According to the key in the liner notes, the art means 'X&Y' (this also reveals the pattern on the last page of the notes to be 'Make trade fair') 1Rabid Monkey 17:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Until

So is it 'Til Kingdom Come or Till Kingdom Come? 'til kingdom come

[edit] Okay, where does it say that AMG gave it 4 out of 5 stars

I've been doing the Wikiproject Album articles and I'm quite familar with Allmusic.com. When I click on the link provided by on the X&Y infobox, it doesn't say All Music Guide has reviewed the album. In fact according to the discography of Coldplay, the X&Y star rating is blank. I'm not stoned or anything. I'm not retarded. shhh... --Chill Pill Bill 05:27, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Stephen Thomas Elderwine gave it four stars. He opened his review with how Coldplay took Radiohead's mantle as the next biggest band in the world, after the latter went into "arcane art rock". He spent most of the article stating how Coldplay goes for the introspective.. which is the thing holding them back from being the "Biggest Band in the World", held by U2.

I'm not to blame, if you can't read the article. Check out what some Coldplay msgboards have to say about this (and other) recent reviews. --Madchester 06:33, 2005 May 30 (UTC)

[edit] Bonus tracks

"Til Kingdom Come" is indeed a distinct track 13. I changed the tracklisting to reflect this.

[edit] Isn't this cd copy protected in some places?

I'm not sure if it is or not. Irdepesca572 17:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, yes... [2] Europe/UK and North America for sure.--Madchester 16:55, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Then shouldn't we include that information? :) Irdepesca572 17:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You made the suggestion... you can expand on it! :-) --Madchester 17:05, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Ok, will do :D Irdepesca572 17:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] User 69.157.XXX.XX and general opinions of the album

Please watch for this user, b/c he continually tries to prove "his case" about the album, without providing any references to the appropriate sources. And he's adding POV comments; in his opinion, the album received "warm" reviews, when most of the critical opinion has been enthusiastic, save your usual suspects like Pitchfork Media who slams everyone not named Radiohead or The Arcade Fire.

I would recommend not adding any fan or critical opinion about the album until the dust has settled from all the media hoopla from X&Y's week of release, and the hype leading up to it. It's foolish to base the general response of the album simply based on some first impressions. I would give it a few weeks for the music to settle in, before including a fair statement about the album's acceptance, et al. Likewise, the sample size is too small to draw any immediate conclusions at the moment.--Madchester 15:28, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)

[edit] Madchester and the blocking of objective material

Please be aware that this article should be written on the facts (there has been criticism levelled at this album and "Speed of Sound"). With respected magazines such as Rolling Stone, Mojo and All Music all touching on these issues, the point is proven. Taking legitimate material off the site because it puts your favorite band in a bad light is absolutely a "slanted" POV. 18:36, 2005 Jun 9

Please avoid ad hominem in your opinion; no personal attacks are allowed. And for my 2 cents worth, Coldplay's far from being my favorite band.
Like I said above, it would be best to refrain from any generalized opinion of the album in the article, since it has only been released for less than a week. It's unreasonable to make a swift conclusion on the critical (and fan) response of the album based on a small handful of reviews. I would prefer to include this section in a few months time, after there's more sales figures, further reviews, and perhaps award nomination or snubs. I would wait until Fall, to see whether the album is still a hot-seller, and whether it gets noms for awards like the Mercury Music Prize or inclusion on some end-of-year best of lists.
Albums like A Rush Of Blood To The Head and Achtung Baby all received lukewarm repsonses from fans and critics alike for diverging from their respective band's past output. However, over time, both albums have earned their place as important milestones in each band's discography.
Therefore, it's unreasonable to pass such a swift verdict on the album. First impressions can be very misleading. And we want to ensure that the article maintains an NPOV tone.

--Madchester 23:07, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)

You consider my remarks a "personal attack"?...... LOL.

I suggest you read some general guidelines from the Community Portal :-) --Madchester 23:58, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)

Hello,

This is my first time to add anything to Wikipedia, but regarding the "similarity" between "Clocks" and "Speed of Sound," any similarity is purely superficial. Speed of Sound was the first Coldpay song I ever heard, thanks to a friend showing me the video. I was very impressed and began to look for more from them. I saw that Clocks was a hit, and read about people complaining that Speed of Sound was a ripoff. So I listened to Clocks. At first hearing it did sound similar. However, after listening to them back and forth a couple of times, it was easy to determine that they really are nothing alike.

The opening piano lines are completely different and in different keys. The vocal lines again are completely different as well. After examining the TABs for both songs and playing through the chords and melody lines on my keyboard, the case is shut. The songs are very different, melodically and harmonically. The only thing similar is that its the same band performing them.

I read the Rolling Stones review, and it is merely the impression of one man, a man that gained some noteriety for criticizing whites as rock enthusiasts for not embracing the music of minorities. It is his opinion in the case of "Rolling Stone" that Speed of Sound is an average song and is too similar to Clocks. I would say the opposite. We are all critics, and we all have our biases. As someone who loves The Doors as much as I love Coldplay and Led Zeppelin, X&Y is a thoroughly appealing album in the spirit of Coldplay.

Signed:70.112.209.226 09:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Sinfoniahorn

[edit] Sales figures

Sales figures are generally misleading... like the Billboard Hot 100, which combines singles sales, airplay and downloads altogether. Likewise, UK album sales charts tend to honour awards like platinum, gold, etc... depending on the number of units shipped to stores, not necessarily sold. Like Robbie Williams' Escapology earned like 5X platinum, b/c retailers overstocked their inventory of the disc, in reality it wasn't much of a true bestseller

Just some food for thought. --Madchester 17:00, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

And about Oasis' first week UK numbers for BHN. Their album went on sale on a thursday (Aug 21 1997) and the 696,000 figure is for sales from that Thursday to Sunday, when the charts are updated for each week. In its actual first week of release, the official numbers are in excess of 810,000, so in reality they still outsold Coldplay's first week sales by a 2:1 margin. Coldplay, of course, so X&Y on Monday, which is the regular day of release for albums in the UK.

Just another reason why chart figures are misleading at best.--Madchester 17:00, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

[edit] "Move" vs. "shift"

For future reference to other users:

Move = "To be disposed of by sale"
Shift = "To move or transfer from one place or position to another."

The former is more appropriate in the context of the article when talking about sales. --Madchester 11:43, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

Definitely. —Hollow Wilerding . . . talk 23:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] References broken links

The links for References 3 and 4 are broken. I've left them as I don't have a different reference to use, but this should be kept in mind. –Dvandersluis 17:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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