User talk:Wundermac
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[edit] Andy Ramage
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thanks for writing this article. Unfortunately it doesn't conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new articles. However, please do not be disheartened by what may happen to your first article, if indeed it is deleted. Please continue to edit Wikipedia and add articles which conform with the inclusion criteria. For help, see Help:Contents. To find out what will probably be deleted, see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Thanks, and if you have any questions, please ask them on my user talk page. To do this, click on my name (just after this sentence) and click discussion at the top and then the (+) button at the top.Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- That's a good question. The speedy deletion process is theoretically simple. For musicians, and people in general, the boilerplate says:
- "This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The given reason is: it is an article about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or website that does not assert (link to Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion) the importance or significance of the subject(link to Wikipedia:Notability). (CSD A7)"
- Andy Ramage didn't, so far as I could see, assert notability: it didn't say he'd had gold disks, or won awards, or been given a gong for services to music, or belonged to a world-famous band, or something like that. It didn't link to the Britannica or Encarta or the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. I can't delete articles, so when I add {{db-bio}} to them, someone else will delete them, but only if they agree.
- Picking another article you worked on - Isaac Shoenberg - that does assert notability. It says he contributed to the early development of TV and the fact that it links to Britannica is a pretty clear sign that he's a significant figure.
- So what is notability? Basically, it's being written about. If there are books on Scottish music that mention Andy Ramage, then he's notable. If he was written up in The Scots Magazine, or something like that, then he's notable. If the Courier had a piece on him, then he's notable. We have another system for arguing the toss over people who might be notable, but an article that includes a Bibliography or References section (assuming that they aren't just links to MySpace or something like that) shouldn't be speedily deleted. Does this make sense? Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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- For my sins, I can remember the Bay City Rollers, Argentina 1978, flairs, platform shoes, and tartan scarfs, so I am an old fogey by Wikipedia standards. The people who wrote the music and band guidelines are, most likely, a lot younger. So, yes, they are written round internet-era bands.
- If you're after technical guidance on making your article look good, most of the stuff anyone needs is at Wikipedia:Cheatsheet. You can fiddle around with the Wikipedia:Sandbox if you want to see how it works.
- Making your own sandbox, and writing up the articles there before unleashing them into the wild can be helpful. To make your own sandbox, edit → User:Wundermac/Sandbox ← and you've got one. That way you can do a little bit at a time until you've got the result you want. I've got some articles I've been writing that way for nearly a year, and they're still not done. But it does mean that they won't get deleted, or lost, while I'm working on them. Hope this is vaguely helpful. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
