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[edit] Artist Name & Album Title Spelling

Someone keeps changing all of the artist and album names to incorrect ones. Their names are spelled "Killah", not "Killer". "Killer" might be proper english or whatever but that is not how the artists and companies spell their names. It's "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx" not "Only built for cuban links", "Busta Rhymes" not "Buster Rhymes", etc. Lilwyte 00:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Section titled Beef?

That must be why the article needs cleanup.. "Beef" for describing a situation with the cops seems a bit slang. Section needs re-naming. FPS_Tony 6:21 EST, March 3, 2007

That makes no sense but whatever, it's been changed to Controversy. LilWyte 10:28, March 30, 2007

[edit] Help needed

I've got rid of the trivia section by incorporating some into the article and deleting others. I've also tried to rewrite the "members" section which was appalling before, if anyone could help improve both this and the introduction, we can make a start on getting this to FA status. I also added a film and tv "references" section which seemed to be needed, I'd appreciate if someone would improve this. Powelldinho 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Topic

The more I read this article, the more I see that it's starting to get quite sloppy. I may rewrite some of it soon but I'd welcome any help.--Gяaphic 20:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I want to try and change some of the album cover pictures to actual photos, as just a bunch of album covers isn't very interesting to look at. Ironically, I added most of the covers...but still. Feel free to add any relavent photos you have. --Gяaρнic 07:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good but most of the pictures I added ended up being deleted, I'm kinda new at the whole picture/fair use/copyright stuff. Lilwyte 00:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


Two things:

  • The article needs its TOC at the top, not down in the middle of the page. I propose everything from the fourth paragraph to where the TOC is currently be sectioned under something like "Biography".
  • Perhaps the list of aliases should be moved to a new page, or each artist's list of aliases added to the artist's respective article (which has been done already but they are inconsistent with this page).

Jesusjonez 00:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

the TOC being down in the middle was as a result of some vandalism shortly before your edits that removed all the paragraph headings. I've fixed it now. And I agree about the aliases. --Jamieli 00:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wu-Tang Acronym

Is it true that Wu-Tang is an acronym standing for Wisdom, Universe, Truth, Allah, Nation, God ? --172.181.49.157 20:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • "Wu-Tang" has been backronymed into a few different things. The one you heard appeared, I think, in "Bellz of War" on Wu-Tang Forever where RZA states that it's the "Wisdom of the Universe, and the Truth of Allah... for the Nation of the Gods." Another backronym is "Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game." -- ChrisCostello 06:24, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • Also "We Usually Take Another Nigga's Garments" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Graphic (talk • contribs) .
      • Actually, "We Usually Take All Nigga's Garments" - this is the first one used (see 7th Chamber, 1st verse) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.4.36 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Wu-Tang Mountain

I changed the origin of the word Wu Tang in the main article. The original mentioning of the state Wu is incorrect: the characters are different. Wu in Wu-Tang means martial, the same character in Wushu. Wu-Tang is the Northern God in Taoism who was (according to Taoist text) once a prince in northern Hebei during the reign of the Yellow Emperor. The British Museum has a collection of his statues in their Asian Collections.

- Karolus 2006/11/10

[edit] Wu-Tang Manual

Someone who has the Wu-Tang Manual needs to rewrite a lot of this article as much of it differs with RZA's own words, --Graphic 23:06, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I have it, and i dont really see anything that does differ. --Jamieli 09:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant that while it's generally accurate, the article could be a lot more accurate and in depth if the Wu-Tang Manual was used as a guide. For example, the exact circumstances surrounding the creation of Wu-Tang. Generally the story is that RZA, GZA and ODB started it but in the manual RZA states that he and Ghostface got together then invited people to come to the studio.--Graphic 07:02, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ambiguities

I'm by no means an expert on Wu-Tang, but reading this article there were two things that struck me. 1) surreal is used multiple times and I have no clue what it means in context. What exactly is a "surreal beat"? That could be explained maybe. 2) There seems to be some incongruity for me. Like the article is talking about the oversaturation of Wu Tang related products, yet everything (according to this article) apparently received "mixed but basically positive reviews."

I wrote that, and I used metacritic.com as a source. link

Is that really the case? I remember reading some reviews of Iron Flag awhile back and they were pretty scathing, although I have no idea if they were representetive of reviews on a whole. It just seems like there are instances where people are being too polite and are trying to gloss over their failures and focus solely on their successes. Oh, and a third thing: "As well as the releases from the nine Clansmen and the most high-ranking affiliates, there was a long line of mostly poorly-received releases from lower-ranking affiliates such as Popa Wu, Shyheim, GP Wu, and Wu-Syndicate, second albums from Gravediggaz and Killarmy, as well as a greatest hits album, a b-sides compilation, and Wu-Tang branded clothing and video games. The Wu Wear clothing line in particular was massively influential on hip hop culture" how did we go from "mostly poorly-received" to "in particular was massively influential." I mean, I "get" the sentence, it's just confusing the way it's written.

I only meant the "relases from lower-ranking affiliates" were poorly-received. I can see how the "in particular" is somewhat confusing though. --Jamieli 13:42, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 36 Chambers

It might be appropriate somewhere to mention explanations of the term and it's usage. Including RZA's explanations relating to Chinese mythology (anyone know if any of that is true to actual folklore?) and also the reference to the address of their first studio at 36 Chambers St. I'm not really sure where this stuff would fit in...but it would be a nice addition if someone has a bit more knowledge than I about the Wu.

It came from the kung-fu movie Master Killer a.k.a. 36 Chambers of Shaolin and I believe the number 36 was retrospectively given extra meanings, though I'm not willing to make that part official with an edit.--Graphic 14:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

well I wonder whether the reference to the movie came before they rented studio space at 36 chambers st. or after...anyone know? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmejia (talk • contribs) .

Ive heard that 36 chambers comes from the 9 members hearts. As in the 4 chambers of each of their hearts.4x9=36.Its probably nothing to do with it.The part were it says "It came from the kung-fu movie Master Killer a.k.a. 36 Chambers of Shaolin" is probably the right answer.

[edit] "The" Wu-Tang

I removed most instances of "the" before "Wu-Tang" except where it is proper. The group's official name is absent of "the." Also, you wouldn't for example call Green Day or something "the" Green Day. It would only seem proper to refer to them as "the" Wu-Tang Clan if they were an actual clan, like "the Hojo clan" or "the Hojos." That's because you'd refer to as one Hojo as "a" Hojo, but you wouldn't refer to Raekwon as "a" Wu-Tang. They aren't Wu-Tangs, they are members of Wu-Tang. No need for "the." On the other hand, I have capitalized "the" in all instances of "The RZA" since it is clear that this is what he prefers to be called.--Graphic 05:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wu-Tang Killa Bees: The Swarm

Should Wu-Tang Killa Bees: The Swarm technically be considered a wu-tang clan album since it features various other artists? Tutmosis 16:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I took them out.--Gяaphic 20:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances

Was that Wu-Tang at Columbia University today (2006-04-22) in front of Low Library? I'm not really into rap, but they talked about ODB and had the audience do the W-symbol thing. If so, how can the school afford to hire such a famous group? --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 20:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

$40,000 tuition. [unsigned]
Yea, it turned out to be Ghostface Killah. They paid him $50K. There was an article in the school newspaper.

[edit] Cappadonna

Though the writing was decent, Cappadonna isn't an official member so he doesn't belong in the main members section. However, if the article does not mention his closeness to the group I will try and fit it in somewhere, perhaps using some of the wording from what I removed.--Gяaρнic 03:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

I gave it a start, but please for god's sake, someone help with it. It's going to be extremely tedious and irritating finding the exact release dates for the bazillion solo albums after 98--Gяaρнic 08:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad Tim helped finish that up, but is there a way to make it not so...massive? Look at the table of contents for god's sake lol. I am not an expert on wiki code, rules, or formatting however. --Gяaρнic 20:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I've reduced the number of sections in the timeline. Perhaps what it really needs is the removal of all timeline subsections and the use of bold text instead to highlight important events. That would take up less space. Tim Ivorson 09:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree, good work.--Gяaρнic 01:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Ironman edits May 2006

The article says that Ghostface changes his name. Is that the case, or does he just have several different names? I've commented out the sentence "Up until then it was considered by mainstream hip-hop press to be one of the few second generation Wu-Tang solos to rise above mediocrity." from Ghostface's entry in the members section because it doesn't say when then is. Tim Ivorson 07:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It was 2000 and Ghostface Killah changed his name officially to simply Ghostface for one album, The Pretty Toney Album, then changed it back for Fishscale. I will clarify. --Gяaρнic 17:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Tim Ivorson 20:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2000s link in influence section

The following link appears in the influence section:

[[2000]]s

I think that it really means:

[[2000s]]

I also think that it doesn't really need to be linked at all. WP:MOS-L#Dates and numbers says that such dates "should be treated like any other words and linked only where they are particularly relevant to the topic." Tim Ivorson 20:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albums template

I'm not sure that the gallery of album covers should be a template. This is the only article that uses it. Tim Ivorson 2006-07-08

[edit] I have citation for influences section, dont know how to add

in the Influence section, i have a citation for kanye west being influenced by RZA, which is needed in the last sentence. it is this url - http://www.gale.com/free_resources/bhm/bio/west_k.htm. i found it on Kanye West References, it is number 3.

im a newbie still learning this site, hope it helps 8/23/06 edit-looks like its been done, thanks

[edit] Location

It says that Wu-Tang is from Staten Island, however; half of the members are also from Brooklyn. Such as: RZA, GZA, ODB, Masta Killa & U-God. I'll fix it.--Tainted Drifter 19:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sample Songs

I have to point out that there are some rather...weak songs up for display on the Clan. First of all, why put up "Sub-Crazy" off Tical? That's seriously one of the weakest songs off that album. Why not put "Tical" itself or "Biscuits" or "What the Blood Clot"? Also, why not put "Living in the World Today" or "Duel of the Iron Mic" for GZA - Method Man pretty much outshines him on "Shadowboxin'". Also, why is there nothing from Raekwon or Ghost? I suggest "Rainy Dayz", or "Criminology". Why "Visionz" and not "Triumph" or "Reunited"? If someone would teach me how to add songs on here with that odd format, I'd gladly do it myself.--Tainted Drifter 00:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wu Symbol

It has always been common knowledge in the Graffiti world that the Wu symbol was designed by Gano VGL aka Gano Grills. It says as much on Gano's page and his IMDb biography. Can someone clarify?

Not sure, but ganos wiki page says it too. This should go in the trivia section. Bigdan201 08:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

It was created by Wu Tang affiliate and DJ Mathematics, he talks about it in all his interviews and Rza says it in the Wu Tang Manual

[edit] i agree with drifter on samples

there should be better sample songs. they should represent the best of the wu and have variety. he already made some good suggestions, but i dont know how to add songs either- Bigdan201 03:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, these dumb asses don't listen.--Tainted Drifter 20:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

for a sample list just link to http://www.the-breaks.com/search.php?term=wu-tang&type=6 for a lot of the samples wu has used

[edit] cleanup

there was a random "BITCH" in ghostface's bio, i deleted it. --172.166.61.78 21:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Witty Unpredictable Talent And Natural Game?

the article states: RZA has stated that Wu-Tang stands for Witty Unpredictable Talent And Natural Game however there is no citation. further more 'Wutang' was a term often used in american dubs of kung fu movies to reference the legendary Wudangquan martial artists. This should probably be corrected. AlexOvShaolin 07:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a Backronym, like We Usually Take All N****s Garments. ReverendG 05:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Also, it is stated in the Wu-Tang Manual. ReverendG 00:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

try listening to the gza song called "labels". he says it.

[edit] d-struktiv

this guy is not a wu-tang member. he is a wu-affiliate. cappadonna is not even on the clan chapter of the wiki (which is correct). im changing it

[edit] bizzle?

What, first D-Struktiv and then Bizzle? New Wu-Tang members don't done grow on trees. I'm changing it and don't ya'll be adding some false alarms.

[edit] January 23, 2007

on www.bestbuy.com ther says theres a wu-tang album comin out on 1-23-07

these no title for it though

ill put up a link


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1614910


can someone shine som light on this for me?????Jimmypop1994 21:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

His title is "Unrealeasd" by Allah Mathematics (Wu Tang producer) get your mind right. featring new music from the Wu Tang Clan .

[edit] colloboration with French artists

I don't think anyone from the nine listed in the infobox participated in the particular video, but I was rather piqued after seeing a particular video done by French group IAM and Royal Fam, but it bore Wu-Tang in the title (La Saga) I do believe. I'm slightly curious about any cross-altantic colloboration, I note it wasn't discussed here. John Riemann Soong 03:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New "Influence" paragraph

I just added a new paragraph to the influence section, concerning RZA's piano influence. RZA had at least a small influence of people playing more of their own samples, but I don't think that I have a source stating that. If someone could check the formatting, citation, etc. of my paragraph that would be nice. I'll try to add more cite to the rest of the article from my Wu-Tang manual.

Also, should there be a division between the influence ON the Wu-Tang Clan and the influence OF the Wu-Tang Clan?

Sp3z1aL 20:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: I added another paragraph to Clothing Line, but I messed up the citation. How do I make it reference the same source as #1 without creating a new reference?

they seem to be influenced by kung fu films much more than other musical artists. --AlexOvShaolin 02:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Then should the first influence paragraph be moved to RZA's page specifically? I only added the piano/sampling part because RZA oversaw so many Wu production, such as "Liquid Swords," in which he played all the piano/synth (a lot).Sp3z1aL 00:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location

Once again, someone put "from Staten Island", meanwhile five of the nine members are from Brooklyn: RZA, GZA, ODB, Masta Killa, U-God - all from Brooklyn....--Tainted Drifter 01:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RZA = Rakeem ?

As far as I know, RZA's alias didn't come from scratching the word "Rakeem", but "Razor" instead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.25.59.14 (talk) 05:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Controversy

Certain Wu Tang lyrics contain anti-white sentiment and racism. Doesn't this require mentioning? It certainly would if a white artist were racist in their music. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sherlock Bones (talk • contribs) 13:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

What song do they do this in? -Bruno

[edit] Discography

There are two pages for Wu-related albums, Wu-tang albums and the regular discography. They both have their pros and cons so they should be merged

[edit] OLD DIRTY BASTARD

I dont think because old dirty bastard died he should be labeled as a former member, he should be labeled as a member but decesed. for after all he never left the group before he died.

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