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Goals: To maintain the article's somewhat shaky GA status, To edit as necessary in order to improve the article, To have the article peer reviewed, To start the nomination process for FA status (would be the first MMO-related article to achieve that status). Luis1972 17:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Needed changes (in no particular order): Correct the durations of the in-game holidays listed under major world events. Clean up grammar and style problems throughout the article. The overall tone of the article needs to be more formal, neutral, and out-of-universe. Some of the sections that require cleanup can be found here: Link. Address and clean up any remaining tags. Include fair use rationales for images that need them. Draft a new Development section. Edit, improve, and use citations on the section titled Deviation from the MMORPG archetype if not entirely delete it. Arrange the sections in a more logical order. For example, there is no reason why Version history and Pricing should come before the sections describing the game itself. Moreover, I think some sections should be made subsections to existing sections. For example, I think the article would look cleaner if all the information regarding race, geography, professions, etc. be made subsections of Gameplay. The sections covering criticism, controversy, reference in popular culture, etc. could go on a general Reception section. Edit footnotes for consistency of formatting. Luis1972 16:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC) Suggested changes: Include more images. Delete the Soundtrack section and just make an external link to that information. I consider that information minutiae. At the very least, it should be incorporated into a more comprehensive section dealing with the game's audio. Luis1972 16:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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Contents 1 World of Warcaft Expansion: The Burning Crusade 2 Deviation from the MMORPG archetype section removal 3 I propose to add Allakhazam.com to the links section 4 Adding a screenshot to Modifications section... 5 Retail software 6 PvP Neutrality 7 Questionable sales figures/subscriber numbers? 8 Self-contradiction 9 Proposal

[edit] World of Warcaft Expansion: The Burning Crusade

I am currently not sure on how to deal with the original World of Warcraft and its expansion The Burning Crusade. This article contains information about both versions, whereas the Burning Crusade article is lacking information and is not updated consistently. If I were not playing this game, I would be confused, as in some sections lvl60 is designated as Endgame and the next sentence discusses lvl70 content.

Should we keep this article restricted on the originally released World of Warcraft and discuss lvl 60-70 in the Burning Crusade article, or should we try to reword certain statements to cover both versions. The latter may result in mess if not written carefully. --tomst | talk 19:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

You raise a good point and I can see both sides. However, I think I'm in favour of your latter decision - reword it so the L60 doesn't seem like Endgame. I think this is important as one of the great functions of Wikipedia is the ability to alter information, should the need arise. The game information changes, therefore, the article should reflect that. :) Summoner Marc 02:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deviation from the MMORPG archetype section removal

I was bold. I removed the section "Deviation from the MMORPG archetype" entirely. Only the first paragraph contained interesting information, which nonetheless read like original research and was not sourced at all. The following paragraphs did not discuss differences to other MMORPGs but instead read like subjective statements about the history of PVP in WoW. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomst (talk • contribs) 19:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Thank you! I think the original purpose of the section is good (comparing WoW to traditional MMO conventions), but the section, as written, was basically a long-winded discussion of the Honor system without any citations. Luis₁₉₇₂ (Talk • My Contribs) 20:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You deserve a great big HUG! That section wasn't encyclopedic at all. Quezacolt 09:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I propose to add Allakhazam.com to the links section

Allakhazam.com is a well-known and valuable reference website to most WoW fans. In fact, I would hazard a guess that it's the 2nd most important WoW fansite aside from Thottbot. I think that it would enhance the article if the link is provided. Luis₁₉₇₂ (Talk • My Contribs) 05:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Go for it, wonder why it isn't there in the first place... Quezacolt 09:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Luis₁₉₇₂ (Talk • My Contribs) 21:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I'm trying to figure out why wowhead isn't there. JavaTenor 22:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The external links section is getting a bit long. How about replacing some of them with directory entries e.g. by linking to Dmoz categories. There are some extensive lists for reviews as well as some uncategorized links. Game Databases also has some entries. I do not want to remove all the links, but some could be covered by a directory link. --tomst | talk 10:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding a screenshot to Modifications section...

Image:WoW_User_Interface.jpg Hi! I'm thinking of adding a screenshot of my UI(which is extremely modded up) into the Modifications section. See the pic to the right. Is the screenshot ok? I plan on adding it to the article tomorrow. Quezacolt 09:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

This is an ok example of a modified UI, but I wouldn't call it the best example of an 'extremely modded up' ui. I uploaded a screen of what the newest modded UIs look like. Tell me what you think. --Jackbox55 20:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Modified_WoW_User_Interface.jpg Mind telling me what mod makes your party frames look like that? :) Please? Quezacolt 04:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retail software

Please link "retail software" to retail software, thanks. --71.169.143.192 23:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Done! Quezacolt 01:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

why only horde screenshots on this article?

Because Alliance can not find the Print Screen key? d: All seriousness though, because no one with an Alliance character took and submitted a screenshot. From the tone I guess you play Ally, so solve the problem yourself and submit a screenshot. --Ihmhi 03:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I was gonna suggest adding in here the fact that you can purchase and download the game through their website also.

[edit] PvP Neutrality

I feel this section is neutral enough. Can the tag be removed now? 72.156.181.178 18:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I reworded some text to make it seem less personal. I think it looks better and is more encyclopedic. Derfy 20:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable sales figures/subscriber numbers?

According to The Burning Crusade article, nearly 1.6 million copies of TBC have been sold in Europe, yet the main WoW article claims that there are only 1.5 million European subscribers.

Unless significant numbers of Europeans are in the habit of buying expansion packs for games they don't own/can't play, it looks like one or other of the figures is out of whack. 217.34.39.123 15:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, some people may have put the game down since they bought the expansion. That's probably all there is to it. Torte... of Doom! 16:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Self-contradiction

One of the opening paragraphs claims 3.5 million players in China, yet the "Controversy and Criticism" section says it's 20 million! I doubt this is due simply to outdated content. Most likely, the latter is the number of accounts, since as I understand, players can create multiple accounts. If so, can this be fixed, I think it's a pretty conspicuous mistake. --...Wikiwøw 21:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The 20 million reference in Controversy and criticism isn't discussing China having 20 million WoW subscribers, but 20 million gamers in general, and steps the Chinese government is taking to curb game addiction. FeralDruid 23:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see, I thought it meant World of Warcraft gamers. Well then, I suppose it's fine. --...Wikiwøw 22:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

Do you think a section about "celebrity players" would be interesting? (Comment added 19:00, 29 March 2007 by User:83.190.91.200 (unsigned)).

It might be cool. I dont see a problem.Dark reaper6789 19:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC) but it may not be encyclapedic though, now that i think about it.Dark reaper6789 19:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Question: How would you substantiate the presence of celebrity players in the game, and what defines a celebrity player? For two years there have been rumors of Dave Chappelle, Elijah Wood and a number of other "celebrities" playing, but without evidence it is only speculation. FeralDruid 19:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

you do have a point but I'm sure theres something out there that talks about it. I might look into it. it would be awsome if Jim Carey played WoW though :) he would be funny in a raid.Dark reaper6789 19:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)