Talk:Workers Party of Ireland

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Why does this page have a link to the Irish Workers' Party, a completely unrelated party?

Also, seriously, is this the best history of the WP and SF/TWP that can be written?

- Removed link to the Irish Worker's Party, an unrelated defunct party.

If this article is moved then surely it should be moved to The Workers' Party of Ireland as that is the proper name of the party.--padraig3uk 15:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The Workers Party (Ireland) → Workers Party of Ireland … Rationale: First, although this party has a habit of using the definate article in its title, there is no need to do it on Wikipedia. Second, the party uses "of Ireland" in its title).--Damac 12:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request.

Vegaswikian 18:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Support--Damac 12:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Support----Soman 12:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I proposed the move and would like to add some additional comments. I acccept that the party is registered at Dáil Éireann as the "The Workers Party".[1] However, so too is the Labour Party (Ireland) as "The Labour Party", and the "The" is not used in Wikipedia. The Workers Party is not the title of a film or a book, so Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name) does not apply. (Indeed, as that guideline remarks, the White House is preferrable to The White House, etc. Using the definite article results in the WPI being listed under "T" rather than "W" in categories.

The party concerned does use the title the "Workers Party of Ireland". Indeed, as the title on its current website clearly demonstrates.[2]. --Damac 12:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name) does of course apply - official names should be considered as proper names, and the article should be included if that forms part of the official name. For example, we have The Hague, not Hague; The Football Association, not Football Association. This party styles itself in various ways on its website - "Workers Party of Ireland" in the URL, "The Workers Party of Ireland" as the title, "The Workers Party" in the body text - but there is only one official name, The Workers' Party, as referenced in the Iris Oifigiúil link above. I would propose moving the article to The Workers' Party (Ireland). Categories are not an issue here; it is very easy to change how an article is sorted alphabetically. See m:Help:Category#Sort key. --Kwekubo 14:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm well aware of how to sort categories - it's a pity, though, that the proposors of the last WPI move didn't adhere to it though.

I think we need to ask ourselves here whether it is essential to include the definite article in this case. Please consider the rule of thumb:

If the definite or indefinite article article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the page name. Otherwise, do not include it at the beginning of the page name.

The Workers Party of Ireland rarely does, and more independent sources never do (the Irish Times archive, for example, generally omits the "the" altogether when referring to the WP). Neither does any Wikipedia article mentioning the WP include the definate article. All these credible sources reflect common usage. --Damac 15:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)