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[edit] Episode order.

Just curious, what is indicated by the "PC" designation? There was an anonymous edit that altered all of them to be in intended airing order, but the episode guide on TVTome has the previous version. I assume it's some kind of production number, and has little to do with story ordering...? -- Wapcaplet 16:39, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Nevermind. I couldn't find a very thorough answer, but did get enough to write, and link to, production code number. I've reverted to the version I assume is correct. -- Wapcaplet 17:00, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, it's production code, which can differ from aired order. I took the version on TVTome and applied it to the article previously, since that's usually accurate. There are one or two clashes where the previous set of production codes that were on the article were the same as the TVTome ones, but on different episode, but I left those in until I can find the complete production order. -- Michael Warren 17:09, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
Cool. If you know any additional info about production codes and how they're used, please improve production code number. -- Wapcaplet 17:14, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I've slightly reordered the episodes to match the listings on TVTome and other sites, though this site disagrees with them. I haven't confirmed them yet by watching them (most of them are available on BitTorrent now!) but I'm fairly sure this is the correct ordering (and titles). -- Wapcaplet 05:06, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

DVD order, from savewonderfalls. -- Jeandré, 2004-09-23t15:11z

[edit] Télé-Québec.

When, if ever, were the episodes aired on Télé-Québec? If they were aired, we should have some premiere dates. -- Wapcaplet 22:16, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

TQ site says Wednesday nights (repeated Sundays). Probably 2004-11-03, 2004-11-10, 2004-11-17; 2004-12-08, 2004-12-15 for episodes 7/9; 12/13. -- Jeandré, 2004-09-23t15:11z

Geos.tv lists the broadcast dates for the unaired sodes, 5 through 13. Télé-Québec premiered the unaired sodes dubbed in French. Jaye Tyler's voice was done by Caroline Dhavernas herself (source savewonderfalls.com). It ran Oct 20, 2004 through Dec 15, 2004 every Wednesday. -- Mouse209 06:36PST 6/3/2005

[edit] Show similarity

The article says : possibly to avoid competition with the then-unproven, similar series Joan of Arcadia and Dead Like Me. While I completely agree about the Joan of Arcadia point, I think Tru Calling would fit better than Dead Like Me in that comparison, so I was wondering if someone should change that (I'm obviously new to this and I don't want to do something I shouldn't). Mynock 20:26, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Done. If, in the future, you see something you think is wrong on an article, be bold, and fix it! That's the purpose of a wiki, after all. :D -- Michael Warren | Talk 21:53, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ok next time I will ;). Mynock 00:33, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

On a related note, an anonymous contributor made the accusation that it was "no coincidence" that Joan of Arcadia and Wonderfalls were similar because both were based on Joan of Arc. I felt the statement to be rather POV so I reworded it to say that it was a coincidence, which by all accounts it was. 23skidoo 14:05, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Related Comic Strip Productions

Wonderfallouts. A short lived comic series that became almost synonymous itself with the series. It appeared shortly after FOX's cancellation and premiered on SaveWonderfalls.com's disscusion board. Its characters centered around the fall-out of show's talking animals; hence the name Wonderfall-outs. Set in the day in the life of Jaye Tyler in Niagara Falls, NY, and as the unemployed souvenirs/actors they were.

The artist, from California, is a C.A.D. and Compsci AS grad. and drawing as a non-professional cartoonist for 14+ years. He signs his name "Luigi" to 100 original & inspired characters (including 9 from Wonderfallouts).

Its 3-frame strips were infamous for its colorful humor and bad spelling. Hence non-professional. --Mouse209 6/6/2005 10:14PST Wonderfallouts

[edit] DVD comment re: savewonderfalls.com

Someone added a statement that the DVD release of the series was directly a result of the savewonderfalls.com campaign. I am aware that a few statements to this effect are made on the commentary tracks, but has it been confirmed officially that the DVD was the result of public demand? We're in an era where the DVD release of a TV series is considered almost as obligatory as the eventual release of theatrical films to DVD. What we need is a citation of a press release, news story, or some other reliable source that confirms Fox's decision was based on the fan campaign and not other factors. 23skidoo 02:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Denial of Existence

I don't particularly care whether other TV shows have wrong entries too. Wonderfalls does indeed exists; if you disagree, please let us know where you think it went. If you think it still exists but is no longer a TV show, please tell us what it is now.

You might also find it instructive to read some other articles about works of art like Ulysses (novel), Romeo and Juliet, Piano Sonata No. 14 (Beethoven). None of these is no longer in production, in fact the authors are long dead. The art remains though and is present.

This was one of the silliest arguments I've seen on Wikipedia in a long time. It is perfectly correct to use either the past term "was" or present term "is" to describe a television series that is no longer in production. The whole "no longer in existence" thing just made the debate look stupid, I'm sorry. 23skidoo 12:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
No, it isn't, and just saying doesn't make it so. You are borderline WP:NPA, please take care to offer arguments instead of just trying to start an argument.
As I have pointed out in the examples above, it is common to regard a piece of art as present, because it is present. I can't see why this should be different with TV shows.
And as his two cents to this "debate" pointed out, it is just as reasonable to refer to it in the past or present tense. Look, it really has reached ridiculous levels - it grew even pettier when you made a completely nonconstructive edit to...what, prove a point, I guess? At this point, I don't really care whether a show I never watched was or is. Keep it this way, and I'm sorry you (seemingly) took it so personally. And please remember to sign with four tildes. Bkessler23 15:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
He claimed it did, but gave no reason why it should be different than with other works of art. --193.254.155.48

[edit] HDTV?

The infobox says Wonderfalls was made in HDTV. Unless there's a source to back that up I dispute that as Fox certainly never aired it on HDTV and there's no indication on the DVD set that it was HDTV either. It was widescreen but not all shows produced widescreen are HDTV. Enterprise wasn't produced in HDTV until it's 4th season. 23skidoo 14:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I changed the picture format to EDTV, since this is what Fox was broadcasting in when Wonderfalls was on. They didn't start broadcasting in 720p HDTV until the 2004-2005 season. According to this site, Wonderfalls was broadcasting in 480p Dolby Digital 5.1, but not in HDTV. rvb_strongbad 03:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other air zones

I may be mistaken, but I remember catching one or two episodes of this series in Australia earlier this year (April or May?) on late night television (perhaps Channel 9). I haven't been able to verify this at the moment. However, I'm quite sure I saw MUCH more than the first four episodes; what I saw seemed to be a conclusion of some sort. Will keep tracking.Ratty86 14:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm in Sydney and on watched the show earlier this year on Ch9. They did air the entire series on a pretty late time slot though. Ran until the final episode. RandomEcho 23:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm in Singapore and my sis told me she watched the entire series broadcast on free-to-air some time back after she saw me watching the DVDs the other day. The version shown on TV was of course censored. Roy 09:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Censored? Seriously, what could they censor in this? :o 82.161.89.103 16:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

This August 2005 Times of Oman article suggests Wonderfalls was to broadcast in the Middle East. Awesome! Anyone heard anything out of Antarctica? --Mouse209 03:15PST 10/29/2006

[edit] Plot

Would it be appropriate to include an overview of the series, as well as the behind-the-scenes trivia that this article is mainly composed of?Davind 03:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Production history section

I have edited this section because it became a rant against reality TV; remember WP:NPOV. Also, the article cited the Friday night death slot as a factor in Wonderfalls' cancellation, however if you look at the original airdates for the 4 Fox episodes and actually compare them to the calendar for March and April 2004 you see that no episode actually aired on Friday; three episodes aired on Saturday and one on Thursday. If in fact the show did air on Friday, then the episode dates given in this article, as well as at tv.com and the IMDb are incorrect. 23skidoo 12:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the comment should be removed, but regarding the air dates, they are correct. The first three episodes aired on March 12th, 19th, and 26th, all Fridays (I checked the computers calendar and they all correspond to Fridays). The fourth episode aired on April 1st, a Thursday, so the dates do not need to be changed. Remember that the fourth episode aired is the second episode on the DVD. The dates are also confirmed by the dates listed on the DVD box for disc one. The Wikipedia article for March 2004 is wrong, other websites confirm that those dates are correct and that they were all Fridays, the last being a Thursday. rvb_strongbad 03:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Never throw away an old calendar. The calendar people change the days of the dates every year ;) Seriously though, I don't see anything wrong with the sentence. It is supported by a reference, and there are plenty of other sources for it, and more generally about reality tv having an effect on scripted shows. - Chip Zero 13:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, I'm willing to stand corrected, but can anyone explain this to me? -- Check the calendar at March 2004. It shows these dates as being Saturdays; if this calendar is wrong then that means a big problem. 23skidoo 13:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there a better source for this than the existing source? The title of the review is "Wonder Falls was Wonderful! FOX MUST PAAAAAAAAAAY!" and it reads more like a rant than a proper review or discussion about cancellation. Since the site is self-published, I don't think it passes the criteria in WP:RS, so it cannot be used as a source for that material. I think removal of that passage is justified per the above. If there is a reliable source that talks about the reason for cancellation, that a similar passage can be added to the article. --GargoyleMT 16:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Just to add to the above, I have to state that I am only standing corrected on the date issue -- which would mean Wikipedia's calendar for March 2004 is wrong -- I still do not feel the POV statements that were removed have any place in the article. 23skidoo 17:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
cal (Unix) agrees that the Wikipedia March 2004 is wrong. According to cal, in 2004 the 1st was a Monday. The Wikipedia article says that the 1st was Tuesday. April 2004 agrees with cal, and February 2004 has no month box. I'm going to correct the Wikipedia article now... --GargoyleMT 18:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm scared to look and see if the error didn't create some sort of domino effect with other months. Well, if nothing else comes from this episode at least we caught a major error in Wikipedia. 23skidoo 21:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not scared, it just makes more to clean up. As I said, April was good, it started on the day after cal said March ended. And there was no calendar present in February, so there was nothing to fix there either. The style on the monthly pages is inconsistent, but nothing seems broken as a result of my change. The calendar in March wasn't added until January 11, 2005. It's been wrong for a while, but not from the beginning. --GargoyleMT 21:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems there is no good (automatic) month template yet, so the march calendar was actually coded by hand, which explains the mistake. About the cancellation — I changed the wording and added new references. I really think these statements should be there, as they are the main reasons for the cancellation. Leaving them out makes the article read like Joan of Arcadia was the sole reason of its cancellation, with the superficial similarity and all. And it probably was a factor, but not as major as the other reasons (i.e., they "foxored" it up). - Chip Zero 22:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
If the goof was made by hand, that's a relief. I had visions of dozens of calendar articles having to be fixed. 23skidoo 22:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Do you have a better source for the "reality TV" angle? The Iron Warrior article mentions Wonderfalls only in passing, and the "world's greatest critic" link is still there... I don't think either really back up the claim. (The first one is good. I guess Tim Minear has his own blog? This might be useful in talking about Friday being the reason for cancellation... but there's nothing in the cancellation announcement or afterwards on his site that makes the connection (and would be a better source.))--GargoyleMT 22:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
If you guys feel the passage about reality tv should be removed, so be it. It is mostly mentioned on ("self-published") blogs and some site-news articles. I couldn't really find a better source for it, perhaps due to time constraints. (But remember that WP:RS is just a guideline.) If you think the source is too weak, you could also add a [citation needed] tag — and perhaps one on the statement about "[viewers] dismissing the series as a ripoff of the now-popular Joan of Arcadia" would be appropriate too. - Chip Zero 08:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airing delayed

The article currently mentions that Wonderfalls "was delayed until early 2004, possibly to avoid competition with the similarly-themed series Joan of Arcadia". Is there any source that this was or could have been the reason for the delay? It seems to me that they should've aired it sooner rather than later in face of the competition/confusion with Joan. - Chip Zero 21:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I removed this for now. If anyone wants to see it back, please source it and/or discuss here. - Chip Zero 18:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm fine without it.. :P Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 01:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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