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Archives at User talk:Wikiwizzy/Archive1 up to October 2005, User talk:Wikiwizzy/Archive2 to March, 2006.

I will answer requests here, if you post them here. I mostly concentrate on Africa based articles.

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[edit] Township Category

I've renamed the category as suggested. --Mohau 10:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


Township is defined as a residential development which confined non-whites (Africans, "coloureds" and Indians) who lived near or worked in white-only communities.

Residential developments that were developed for non-whites would be in the list, but any other residential development that did not have the same racial confines will not be included. --Mohau 13:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I am a little uncomfortable categorizing them based on race. Where is the 'new' South Africa ? Wizzy…☎ 06:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
They are categorized on intent and not current status. There are a few non-whites residing in these residential developments currently, so they are no longer confined to race, but the original intent was just that.
Just to bring my point to perspective, there are residential areas that were earmarked for whites and post 1994, when non whites started buying into these areas, white people literally moved out and currently these areas are occupied by non-whites. These residential areas would not be categorized as township. Hope that makes sense... --Mohau 06:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proxies (hopefully sorted now)

I've sent an email to Tim Starling (according to meta:XFF project), with the details of the proxies, and he replied that they have been whitelisted. So hopefully everything's sorted out now. dewet|™ 08:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Great! I presume the proxies do the X-Forwarded-From ? Did you check ? Wizzy…☎ 08:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I checked using another proxy-detecting-website; they pass my real IP on. I've also verified in the sandbox that my IP shows up, so everything seems hunky-dory. dewet|™ 02:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wikibreak

Andy. Sure. I won't post again before end April. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 21:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you Andy for the revert on my talk page. As soon as I start vandal patrol this starts. I see that you are from Kenya, what tribe? My neighbours are Kenyan. The husband is Luo and the wife is Kĩkũyũ. --Jcw69 18:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The White tribe .. :-) Wizzy…☎ 11:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
"what tribe?" <- That's too funny!!!!!!!!!!!! They say a laugh a day keeps the doctor away - at this rate I'll be immortal!! Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 11:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, I consider myself African, and so I don't consider the question inappropriate. It was not intended as a facetious reply. Wizzy…☎ 13:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Eh? I thought I belonged to the only white tribe of Africa? :-) Elf-friend 07:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A laugh a minute (well, almost)

Well, considering yourself African does not mean you belong to a "tribe". In the same way that being a US rapper does not mean you are a nigger. Beware of colonialist divide-and-conquer theories when dealing with African issues. Speaking of which, could you perhaps take a look at what I dumped at Talk:Bantu languages yesterday? Be sure to tell all your friends about it... Please alert me on my talk page when you respond. Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 14:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] CD download

Fixed now. thanks for heads up (you may need to refresh)

--BozMo - talk 07:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Getting it ! Wizzy…☎ 08:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Not really but just to show you: {{WPCD}} —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BozMo (talk • contribs).

Yes, I have been following things, and will be tagging articles. Any word on a script to build the CD ? Wizzy…☎ 08:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South African Timeline

Andy, some users want to vote off the Timeline of South African history from wikipedia. Please vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of South African history. Thank you --Jcw69 20:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote, the nomination for deletion has been withdrawn. --Jcw69 12:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please vote

Hi, if you have not yet done so, we could sure use your input on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dewet. Thanks! Elf-friend 10:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WPCD

Hi Andy, regarding the WDCD template you're adding, does the template automatically add these to a category page, do you know? I tried to follow what was being added from "what links here," but it doesn't list pages in alphabetical order, so it's hard to use, whereas the category list would be alphabetical. Any information gratefully received. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 13:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

SV, The Talk page is added to [[Category:Wikipedia CD Selection]]. The project page mentions it, but perhaps the template itself should mention it directly? Wizzy…☎ 13:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello Andy -- Just wanted to send a "thank you" for adding the WPCD tag to the Che Guevara article!-- Polaris999 17:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP1.0, CD and WP0.5

Hi Wizzy,

Hey, thank you so much for getting the WPCD template out there, that's really helpful! Can I take it that you would be interested in helping with the next version of that collection?

Thanks also for signing up to help out with WP:V0.5. I was thinking of opening up the V0.5 nominations page on Thursday to start accepting nominations, what do you think? Will you be around to help in the next few weeks? Would you be able to help review articles for it? I have contacted Maurreen and Tito directly as well, they are currently the active folks associated with this, though I hope that more will join us once we get up & running. Let me know your opinion. Thanks again for all your help, Walkerma 02:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, I notice that you have been busy with the {{WPCD}} template, and I saw your mention of downloading category listings. Have you thought about using the bot to do this sort of thing for you? The main listing is here, and there is a guide to adding a project to the listing. I'll also post something on the project page. I hope, too, that you can help review articles for us at WP:V0.5N when you get a chance. South Africa has already been passed! Cheers, Walkerma 01:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I want to try and turn out a CD myself, just to get through the whole process once. I like Bozmo's CD, but its just not big enough! I converted it to plucker format, and its only 40Meg - I would like one 10x that size. I am not as picky as he is either - even though schools are a target of mine as well. I am thinking along the following lines :-
  1. Start with a current xml dump - 89% now, I should have it all tomorrow.
  2. Get used to the xml tools, like mwdumper. I can cut down the dump to just the list in a file - that list is the WPCD category dump.
  3. I need the category listings to work on the CD.
  4. Post-processing on the dump - remove 'red-linked' article markup. I think I will leave External Links - they can be useful.
  5. Count highly inter-referenced pages that are not in my selection - consider adding a proportion.
  6. List all images referenced in the dump. Figure out how to get just those pictures out of the impossibly-sized image tarballs - maybe by getting them directly via Export or something.

I have the mediawiki software, so I can re-create a server with just those articles. I have (a quite old) picture archive, that might save me some time. Maybe a combination of my own server and some pybot tools will allow me to experiment ? Wizzy…☎ 13:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I took a while to follow up. I know that User:BozMo can do a lot of the cleanup that you mention, though I dare say you knew that! If you want a bigger list, try looking at Wikipedia:Concise, though I notice that WPCD is getting much bigger now (Bozmo said around 4500 to me recently). At some point soon we will need to set up a sub-project at WP:1.0 to handle all of these sorts of issues, would you be willing to be involved with that? I realise that Version 0.5 may only be small, but I think things will begin to grow rapidly once we begin to produce CDs. Let us know how you get on. Thanks, Walkerma 04:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Static content notes : do you have time to engage in running discussions about how to generate static content snapshots of WP, et al? I'm helping start a static content working group, and working with people designing a small-footprint snapshot for the One Laptop per Child machines... would love your expertise, wish-lists, and other input. +sj + 00:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Very much so. I have a procedure down - which includes categories - yaay. I now have to make pictures work (without downloading the entire tarball): not present on my snapshot, they all register as upload links. I think I need to figure out the hashing algorithm, and pick them up individually. I must also figure out the cleanup scripts, to remove interwiki links and other dross, like See also links that do not exist in the snapshot. Wizzy…☎ 11:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The South African Bush Telegraph

Hi Andy, the Africa Award has been proposed as an official award, we could sure use your input at the proposal page - Thank you! --Jcw69 07:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


Me again, the South African Bush Telegraph has a page of its own. If you interested please go to ... Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa/Bush Telegraph. Regards, --Jcw69 15:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] St Lucia

Hi Andy, I am sorry I don't know how to reference a page without showing the image. Would you like me to change the image in any way? I have the source files somewhere. Just let me know and its good as done. --Jcw69 16:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Done!!! The photoshop source was not on my computer anymore and had to search a number of backup disks for it. Anyway I have uploaded the new one. --Jcw69 11:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks fine - Thanks!! Wizzy…☎ 11:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Howzit...

...from BarCampCapeTown ;) dewet|✉ 13:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robert I

Why is Robert Isherwood still banned? Two more people have been banned for giving very similar legal advice etc. As its extremely unlikely they are all the same person (!) what is the precise argument against him? 81.129.155.181 22:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimania :-)

Will you be online for wikimania ? Where are you living/working these days? Best, +sj + 14:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Online ? IRC or something ? Still in Cape Town. Wizzy…☎ 08:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Libya

Hi,

I've recently added Libya to the list of featured article candidates. Overall the candidature is going well with many of the objections now sorted out. The final concrete objection is with the article's prose. I have been the main contributor to the article and have been looking at it for the previous 9 - 10 months. My eyes no longer see it freshly, so I am not a suitable copy-editor!

To meet the final demand of copy editing, I have been advised to ask different people to edit parts of the article.

I would really love to get this article featured as you can probably see from the page's history! I've worked very hard on it and I see this as possibly being the final hurdle.

You can see the prose objections, mostly raised by Sandy, on the candidature page. If you have the time, please choose a section (Politics, Religion, Culture etc.) and copyedit, perfect, ace it! I would be very grateful with any help I can get.

Thanks a lot,

P.S. I see you have the coveted Africa award. Would you much rather have this : )

--Jaw101ie 17:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CopyVio.

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Trevor Ncube article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! [1] -- Jeandré, 2006-07-24t18:28z

[edit] Good work on Atomic line filter

Thanks for note! I'm glad you appreciate it. -- Rmrfstar 13:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cheers

Thanks for the note. I guess this means that I'll be sticking around.  :) - BT 20:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Back to Barack

Hey Wizzy. I've been working on Barack Obama these last days and was hoping you'd consider cleaning up and condensing the Africa section there (where I see you'd contributed earlier), to take it from a kind of rolling newsfeed to a more encyclopedic tone. As yet, there is no detailed mention of the HIV test or the Chad visit and Darfur isssues. Would be great for our global Wikipedia if some of the key references cited come from the local press. Others who can lend a hand are also welcome. There's loads of material about it on the official Obama sites (listed at the bottom of the article), and "Obama"+anything is a googler's paradise. Thanks in advance.--HailFire 23:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I've also posted this --HailFire 16:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for you edits, good stuff, much appreciated! I thought the stage version of Dreams from My Father was an interesting story, but think you did right to remove it and add more detail about the tensions with the Kenyan government (maybe insert those lines in the article dedicated to the book?). A good balance showing the Kenya visit was not all happy talk. --HailFire 15:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
For sure, but the quote seemed a bit ugly, so I took it out. Add it back somewhere ... Wizzy…☎ 15:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your vote please

Hi Wikiwizzy - Please vote on the proposed title change of the 'South African farmer murders' page. The straw poll is here. Please also pass this message on to others you think would be interested. Thank you! Cheers, Jason Lionchow - Talk 08:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Butterworth, Eastern Cape

No problem, Andy, to tell you the truth I also saw the notice on the African Regional Board and started the article. When I went back to let them know that it was done, I saw that there had just been another new article for the same place created so I just made it a re-direct. :-) It is good that many of us cover all the bases --Jcw69 10:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks a lot for your kindness! Of course all of this work comes to nought if there isn't someone like yourself to put it into a usable format for the world to read! No pressure! I'll be in touch regularly in the coming days. Thanks, Walkerma 18:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Torrent project

You have (I dl'd) a Palm-compatable format of BozMo's 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection. Are you are planning to do this with future releases? Interest in distributing a Palm version was expressed here. If OK with you, The torrent project could take the version you have made available by ftp and pass it along the channels the project works in. Do you know if this is already on eD2K or in the Kad Network? (I searched for wikipedia.pdb and wikipedia palm in eMule and found a similar but larger prc file). -- Paleorthid 17:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Certainly you can 'torrent' the palm version. Yes, I want to do the same for the next CD. I have personally already got BozMo's wpcd2 on my Palm - text only, though. The python script plucker-build that I use needs huge amounts of RAM - I will have to borrow a machine with at least 2Gig RAM to create the palm version of wpcd2. Wizzy…☎ 07:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Prior to preparing a torrent, I made the file available here. Basically my harddrive gets accessed by anyone who needs a copy. Let me know if including the ftp location or your WP userID give you any heart palpitations - I can edit them out very easily. Thanks for all your work on this! -- Paleorthid 05:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
No probs - thanks for setting it up. Wizzy…☎ 07:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Script

Any luck on finding a host for your script mentioned here? -- Paleorthid 17:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I have emailed Nominaladversary. Are you offering? Wizzy…☎ 09:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
No. I don't have linux, for one thing. Just wanted to make sure it was still active and moving forward. -- Paleorthid 15:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Give me a skype if you can (skype: metasj, phone: +1617529 4266) about setting you up with an account. Unfortunately, we don't have a full image dump; I'm inquiring about what image data we have. +sj + 21:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] African military history

Hi, I'm trying to lay the foundation for an African military history task force within the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history. Would you be interested in joining (I read your edits on Impi)? Greatings Wandalstouring 11:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Literacy

Hi. Your edit to Literacy (rv spam) seems to have gone wrong. I tried to fix it; perhaps you could check whether I guessed your intentions correctly? Cheers, Jitse Niesen (talk) 10:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You did - I saw that linkspam come by another page, and did not check the history of the Literacy page. Thanks for fixing it. Perhaps the link is even appropriate ? It was not appropriate on the other (country) pages. Wizzy…☎ 11:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Whites in Zimbabwe

Andy. Thanks for the Barnstar - it is much appreciated. Tell me, can you see any link between images 1 and 7 in the Whites in Zimbabwe article?. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 14:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Should I ? Wizzy…☎ 15:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it needs just a little imagination?. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 15:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well - they are 23 years apart - same chick ? Wizzy…☎ 15:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You got it. Bob BScar23625 16:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IRC meeting on Saturday

Hi Wizzy, we're having an IRC meeting at 23:00 UTC on Saturday November 4th, to discuss upcoming offline releases from en, please attend if you can! I think you could contribute a lot to the conversation, please feel free to add to the agenda if there's anything urgent. Please sign up here if you can make it, thanks! Walkerma 09:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biglist

A complete list of articles in V0.5 (except countries and new additions) is at Wikipedia:Version 0.5/biglist. You should format it to work with the CDTools. Port 22 is still not open... Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 23:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Version 0.5

Reviewing has stopped. I have a complete list of all the articles that will go into Version 0.5 (except for the countries, you'll have to add them). Can you try to find a way to generate a CD from that list? You should probably post on the talk page, as you will most likely need help. Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 05:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I will give it a shot. I am a little stranded at the moment, as my laptop got stolen :-( but I have another machine. I will also contact Sj - it would be much easier on a big machine and access to the picture archive. Wizzy…☎ 07:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Wizzy, how are things going with Sj and pictures? Sorry to hear about your laptop, hope it is recovered. Our list is pretty much complete, we've done a lot of checks with AWB and the like to catch all the missing/broken tags, etc. We just need to see if any articles need the older version rather than the current one. We should hear from Emmanuel tomorrow about what Pascal's demo can offer. By the way, I thought (on IRC) pm27 was joking when he said his server was Windows based - this is the copy from my log:
  • <andy1> pm27 - quelle OS ? Linux ?
  • <pm27> windows :)
  • <pm27> no debian
  • <andy1> Thanks - I want the process, not the result
  • <andy1> I want people to be able to roll their own, rather than the big sweat one CD story

Does this affect this information? I'll check with Emmanuel by email. Keep in touch. Cheers Walkerma 08:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Also see Emmanuel's update here. Walkerma 08:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it does not. A student using a browser to read the CD will not be able to use the reader search index. Wizzy

I think pm27 was not referring to his software, he was referring to his working machine/server. Going through Emmanuel's document, this is a rough googly translation of the relevant sections :-

[edit] Portability

We need free multiplatform software:

  • x86 & IA-64 /Win32
  • x86 & IA-64 /Linux
  • x86 & PPC /OSX

[edit] Accessibility

The software must reach the most level of accessibility. In its contents generated by the software, like the search results page [...]. Thus the software will have rigorously to satisfy chapter 12 (assistance with navigation) while the chapter 13 (contents accessible) is the responsibility of the content provider.

[edit] Localization

This software must make it possible to be easily localisable.

[edit] Technologies

This software must be based on XPFE.

  • It should not use any server, even local.

[edit] Installation

The installation must:

  • provide the choice of a minimal/maximum installation on the hard disk.
  • provide the choice of installation path.
  • install an icon in the menu of access to the programs, or on the desk (by choice).

[edit] Licence

All the provided code must be under licence LPG version 2.

  • All software modules necessary to its correct operation
  • must be compatible with the LPG version 2.

[edit] Delivery

The delivery must comprise for all the systems/architectures:

  • The source code of the program with accompanying notes.
  • the functional program (with fr.wikipedia.org like contents).
  • An installer for Windows.
  • an image for Mac.
  • All scripts allowing the production of the program with its contents, also their documentation.
  • User documentation of the product.

It all looks great, but all requires software to be installed. I don't want to nix their work, but I also want access with just a browser. Wizzy…☎ 13:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this! Thanks too on the clarification of reader (Win) vs. server (Debian), I guess I was getting a bit confused. I agree with your final comment, but if there's room to include it on the CD, we can let the user make the choice. If it's a computer-savvy teenager with a 3 GHz processor and 1GB RAM, they will happily try out the free offline reader. If it's someone in a remote village school using a 486 computer (hey, even my lawyer here in Potsdam, New York still uses one!), then maybe they could use a basic browser. That may mean they can't do searches, but they should be able to use the alphabetical list and the article tree (which I plan to write soon). What about a javascript file - do we have one? Does BozMo? How would the HTML summary page work as an index - would you use the "Find in this page" feature in Firefox? If you can manage to download the huge file of Pascal's, please let me know what you think. Walkerma 17:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trolling on SA articles

Hi. I think it would be better for all concerned if we simply ignore the various trolls on these articles instead of engaging them time and again. Zunaid©Please rate me at Editor Review! 13:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WPCD

Hi. Hope (and trust) the weather is a bit better where you are. Several things: the 0.5 plus images has been grabbed and put up here: http://wikipedia-release-version-0.5.fixedreference.org/ and our 2007 list (which is much longer) is at http://2007-wikipedia-cd-selection.fixedreference.org/wp/index/alpha.htm

Also to let you know about Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2006_Wikipedia_CD_Selection. The current marginal majority to move the page to Wikipedia space. This makes some sense but practically far fewer people will ever see the CD releases if we always put them in project place (the internal search on Wikipedia excludes project pages) and I think there is enough notability now to make the case...--BozMo talk 11:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you BozMo - I am fetching them now. I will look over them, and I am interested in the total size. Will let you know in due course - and will find the time to come up with a way to re-create it from another article list. Your picture archive will help greatly. Did you use your own CSS around the pages ? Is that the best way to remove the clutter ? Wizzy…☎ 12:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
the css is fudged (and full of rubbish), but makes it look cleaner --BozMo talk 10:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary info

I was just wondering if the "External links" and "See also" sections couldn't be removed? Lincher 17:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks much nicer without them (2007 CD version from BozMo). Lincher 17:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taj Mahal RFC

I've filed an RFC relating to the Taj Mahal at Talk:Taj Mahal#Request for Comment: Inclusion of minority points of view. Your comments would be welcome. Joopercoopers 18:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Allan

bondy by any other moniker has seen two serious blocks today and it looks like they will keep at it - so thanks for that - it will probably continue - sigh SatuSuro 13:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:2006 Wikipedia CD Selection

Wizzy, There is one week left for final comments on the 2007 Wikipedia CD Selection to be submitted. The 2006 CD has an estimated circulation of over 50,000 so its worth getting as good as possible. The most recent viewable copy is at : [2]. Changes planned are listed at Wikipedia:2006 Wikipedia CD Selection in terms of (1) articles currently included to exclude (2)articles to add (3) articles to update because the version listed is vandalised (4) sections to exclude (mainly on appropriateness to children) (5) string deletes and spelling corrections (to UK English) (6) redirects of common article names to the main article. Most proposals are coming to me by email (which is a bit easier to manage, so please do) but suggestions on the article page or discussion pages are also useful. Navigation and search pages are being sorted separately. --BozMo talk 14:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC) PS Plan is to download with thumbnails but offer a DVD with full images. I guess I could mail you the DVD...--BozMo talk 14:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me - I will take a look. Did you check kiwix, at http://download.kiwix.org/kiwix-0.5.iso.bz2 ? Wizzy…☎ 15:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Submarines

Hey Wizzy. I'm kinda perplexed about the message as I'm not sure what exactly needs to be fixed up. So far as I can see, the details are correct. — Impi 14:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry - I missed your Current vs. Future distinction. Wizzy…☎ 16:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, ok. I see where the confusion lay. No problem. Impi 19:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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