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I have edited the page to match the way discographies are commonly listed. I carried the track lists to albums own pages where it wasnt included. Also I changed the main genre as Extreme power metal, included a paragraph in Trivia section explaining why extreme power metal is chosen and made the album pages coherent with this change. If you want more info on extreme power metal and other genre definitions i strongly suggest www.metalstorm.ee Turerkan 15:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't you think that picture of Jari is a little hefty?

I wouldn't say it's hefty as in anything negative. Also, as far as my musical knowledge goes, I still fail to see where the notion of them being melodic death metal stems from. The black and power influences are definately noticable, in some places even folk, but what most knowledgable people I know consider them mainly as is viking metal. Though it varies from Ensiferum, the main elements seem to still be there. Owentheyo 00:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Wintersun are definitely not melodic death metal. I'd call them folk/power metal, maybe even black(ened?) folk/power metal, but certainly not melodic death metal. I think people confuse Wintersun with melodic death metal the same way they confuse Children Of Bodom with melodic death metal. Children of Bodom are much closer to melodic death metal than Wintersun are by the way. TheguX 18:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. At least someone is keeping this page in check. Metal Archives seems to have fallen prey to the "power metal + harsh vocals = melodic death" plague, which saddens me. Apart from some slight death metal riffing on Beautiful Death, it's non-existant in the music, and even that song is pretty experimental. Owentheyo 11:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's because of the "narrative" style of their music - the riffs don't repeat constanly througout the song. It sounds like one big solo, always changing. I've heard that's a characteristic of death metal, so this might be where they got it from. Otherwise, they don't sound death metal to me.

I think that the blast-beats are the main reason people believe there's a death metal influence. And in general Wintersun is pretty extreme, although maintaining strong melodies even through especially-extreme parts. I don't really buy the whole "melodic death metal" tag either, I'm just taking at a stab at why some may. Kendricken 18:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"Prior to popular belief, Wintersun is not a Folk or Viking metal band." :/ Funny, last time I checked, there was plenty of viking metal sound, which should be fairly easy to pick out and hear for anyone who really knows viking metal. Hell, there's even a bit in a Mithotyn song I could swear Wintersun borrowed. I'm assuming said editor's evidence is that Wintersun doesn't sound too much like Ensiferum. Owentheyo

[edit] Progmetal

Wintersun is not a fucking very viking metal to me! Wintersun hav'nt a mytology-lyrics. I agree they have a vikingmetal musical influences in a vocalstyle. Jari Mäenpää says in some interwie: Wintersun is not a fucking vikingmetal! I will play very different material than Ensiferum. Wintersun is a pure progressive metal with many musical influences of many metalgenres and Devin Townsend of course.

Lyrics have what to do with genre? Owentheyo 08:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry, but who the fuck put the 'extreme power metal' tag up? last time i checked that was stuff like Kiuas. im not hearing any similarity here...

c'mon people stop with the whole melodic death metal/power metal thing. can we not just call em metal? or prog metal at least

Actually I'd draw alot of comparisons between Wintersun and Kiuas. And props for knowing Kiuas. :) Owentheyo i have a feeling that the next album will sound more like kiuas. but apart from the occasional keyboard line i don't feel they're all that similar.

Kiuas FTMFW!

Extreme power metal would be a fairly accurate description for Wintersun. It's how MetalStorm would doescribe them. Anyway, Wintersun aren't melodic death metal, there is absolutely nothing death metal in their music. Calling Wintersun "melodic death metal" comes from people who are uneducated (I don't mean that as an insult, there was a time when I would have probably called Wintersun melodeath) in the genres of metal and think that anything that has growled vocals and melody is melodic death metal. It's more complicated than that, and Wintersun are not melodic death metal. I have seen people on other websites claim that Jari said himself that Wintersun are melodic death metal, but I now know that he quite didn't agree with this claim. So, I think it's about time we settled on the name of the genre Wintersun play. I propose something like extreme Power/Viking metal, how does that sound? Also, should we developed the extreme power metal article, or should we just link the word "extreme" to "extreme metal" and "power" to "power metal"? I think it's about time we did this, because currently there's nothing on Wikipedia to document the extreme power metal scene (bands like Children Of Bodom, Wintersun, etc), and someone reading the power metal and extreme metal articles might think that they 're the opposite, and that it's impossible to have power metal with growled vocals or whatever. So, I propose Extreme Power/Viking metal, what do you think of that? Obviously we'd expland on it and explain there's a melodic black metal influence there too. But at the moment every article on Wintersun on Wikipedia claims a different genre of metal, and this keeps changing every day. TheguX 18:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)