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The Winnipeg article could use a general clean-up. Should we suggest it for a peer review? jdobbin 00:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The first peer review has been done and the article is indeed improved but still requires work in organizing. Good work to those who were involved. jdobbin 17:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Peer review Winnipeg has had a peer review by Wikipedia editors which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article.


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[edit] Sister Cities

Although Winnipeg lists Minneapolis as a sister city, Minneapolis does not. I've checked their city website. Anyone have the facts on that one? jdobbin 19:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esplanade Riel discussion

Just a quick note on the pedestrian/pedestrian-vehicular edit. According to the ISIS Canada site Esplanade Riel Pedestrian Bridge, the Esplanade Riel Pedestrian Bridge features twinned bridges, one for vehicles and commuter cyclists and one for pedestrians. CMacMillan 16:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I reverted a well meaning edit without a description. Some of this IP address's previous edits were also quickly reverted and I incorrectly did not assume good faith. Although I should have put in an edit summary, I still stand behind my revert. The side spar bridge, which is named the "Esplanade Riel Pedestrian Bridge" is only for pedestrian traffic. The vehicular bridge beside it is not a side spar bridge, not unique, and not really shown in the picture. The wording that I reverted stated that the bridge named the Esplanade Riel allows vehicles, which is incorrect. -- JamesTeterenko 21:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homer Simpson, honorary Winnipegger

Was about to add something about Homer Simpson being a honorary Winnipegger based on [[1]] and [[2]], but perhaps a bit trivial. But if Winnie-the-Pooh warrants mention, then I reckon Homer could too. --Ezeu 17:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that a fictional character being an honorary Winnipegger is too trivial to be in Wikipedia. I am lukewarm about Winnie-the-Pooh being mentioned. I believe that Winnie has a much stronger tie to Winnipeg. -- JamesTeterenko 17:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Qyd's Work

An excellent job by Qyd to condense the article. Further work should be done to move articles that require further detail to separate headings. In the fall of this year, what are people's thoughts on getting peer reviews of this article? jdobbin 00:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Television and radio

The media list in a city article is meant to contain stations licensed to a city. Stations are only to be listed here if they operate in Winnipeg; stations licensed to Fargo or Grand Forks or Kenora are not to be listed here even if they are available OTA. Bearcat 09:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks on that. I wasn't sure what to put in the template and was going by what I saw on other city wiki entries. Looks more straight forward now. jdobbin 16:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Because of regulation oddities, there have always been Winnipeg stations that were intentionally licensed outside the city. It makes sense to include them. CJBN Kenora might be a stretch, but the Grand Forks and Pembina stations programmed for Winnipeg, while the Fargo stations, which were harder to receive, were fundamentally ND/MN stations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.72.120 (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Moved Pictures

I moved Riel's tomb off the main article main in favour of a statue of him. The politics section should expanded as it starts in 1900 and doesn't encompass the Riel years. jdobbin 16:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename article

I have requested that this article be renamed from "Winnipeg, Manitoba" to "Winnipeg" as this seems to be the new convention in naming the larger Canadian cities. For example the articles on Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa do not include the provinces in their titles. Any thoughts? --142.161.182.225 19:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggest.....How about voting on the issue, by indicating on the talk page whether or not one would support or oppose the name change. We could have a cut off date of say, August 15th? --209.115.235.79 21:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Walker Theatre?

I understand it's been restored in recent years; my grandfather was the conductor of its orchestra until sometime before his death in 1916, and there's currently a redlink on his article at Endre Johannes Cleven. Is it significant enough to ever have an article, or should I take off the link? He also played in the orchestra, I don't know about conducting, at Winnipeg's Orpheum Theatre, whatever that is now, if it still exists. Any input on articles or subjects concerning Norwegian-Canadian immigration and society/cultural organizations in Manitoba that might have other bits of bio? And does anyone have access to the Free Press archives who might be able to look and find the obit and reports on the automobile accident mentioned in his article, which apparently was one of the first traffic fatalities in the Friendly Province?Skookum1 08:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

There will be an eventual article on the Walker Theatre. The library in Winnipeg might have something on the first accident. It won't be on the Free Press website. jdobbin 19:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh-Day-Adventists

Shalom Everyone! I know that in Winnipeg is a Seventh-Day-Adventist Church. Have they German members? RussiaGermans? Simon Mayer.

Undoubtedly, they have all sorts of members from different parts of Winnipeg. They even run retirement homes in Winnipeg. They have seven churches in Winnipeg. jdobbin 19:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What? So many churches!? With Germans I meant people, wich have a Russian-Mennonite origin!


[edit] Article still needs improvement

This article has improved noticibly in recent months and its overall quality has surpassed the articles on Edmonton and Hamilton but is still of a lower calibre than those of Toronto, Calgary, or Vancouver. This article should be modelled on that of Chicago which has received a good quality award. To further improve this article I would suggest:

  • add some better photos. The Winnipeg skyline shown is only a portion of the skyline and the photo of Portage Ave. is very unappealing, and essentially a photo of an overhead walkway. The photograph of Union Station is not very kind to what is one of North America's grandest railway stations. A photo of the entire skyline is much needed. I will be adding some photos in the near future. Accordingly, I will be deleting some of the photos currently in this article. Especially needed is a photo at the top of the article.
  • shorten or eliminate some sections such as the Famous Winnipeggers one. Such sections can be moved into a sub-article such a good model of which is the Geography and Climate section. The main article can contain a brief summary while the sub-article can provide more detail. The article has become too long.
  • Re-organize the article. I would suggest demographics and economy ought to come before government and I am going to merge the content of the architecture section into a new section titled "cityscape." --207.161.43.149 21:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The Famous Winnipeggers section constantly gets new additions. Feel free to move some (all?) to the sub-article List of Winnipeggers. You're other suggestions also sound good. Qutezuce 23:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IN NEED OF IMMEDIATE HELP

Hello fellow wikiholics.

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thanks. owe you guys one, in advance.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Winnipeg, Manitoba → Winnipeg – Winnipeg already redirects to Winnipeg, Manitoba. No other significant usage other than Lake Winnipeg and Winnipeg River. --Usgnus 19:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

  • Support wholeheartedly. Skeezix1000 20:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support use of common names and disambiguating only when necessary. --Polaron | Talk 20:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support I see don't see any reason why it should not be moved. --Edgelord 21:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per the move of Saskatoon. -Royalguard11TalkMy Desk 21:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, Saskatoon can also refer to the purple-coloured berry, so in reality 'Saskatoon' should point to a disambig. page -- Jimj wpg 01:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Since there is no need to disambiguate... don't. Title should specify the name most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article. In this case that's Winnipeg, not Winnipeg, Manitoba. See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) --Serge 23:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose vehemently and passionately. I suspect most English-speaking people have no idea where Winnipeg is; referring to the province will only help. --Wtshymanski 16:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
    • The title of an article should reflect the name of the thing in the simplest possible terms. Contextual information such as location is normally included in the introductory sentence. --Polaron | Talk 16:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
      • I agree, mentioning where it is in the intro will be enough. --Edgelord 06:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Well said, Polaron. The purpose of disambiguation is not to elucidate the topic -- that's the purpose of the article itself. Otherwise, the article name should be Winnipeg, capital of Manitoba, Canada, with a population of 619,544. Skeezix1000 11:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support; I'm surprised this hasn't already been done, actually. Bearcat 06:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Support obvious--DaveOinSF 04:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose We've got a good convention and there's no reason to make an exception for this city, or any of the half-dozen other cities where this change has been proposed. —wwoods 21:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
You man want to read the good convention again. According to the city naming conventions page and I quote Places which either have unique names or are unquestionably the most significant place sharing their name, such as Quebec City or Toronto, can have undisambiguated titles. According to that this page can be moved if there is not another Winnipeg that is more notiable. Having a good convention sould not prevent a move the convention itself supports. --My old username 00:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with My old username. It isn't quite clear what convention wwoods is referring to, because the proposal is in keeping with the Canadian naming convention. Skeezix1000 11:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support The (city, province) convention no longer applies to Canada. Kirjtc2 14:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose There IS another Winnipeg in North America, it's located in Missouri -- http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?city=Winnipeg&zoom=7&size=big . So if and when someone creates a Winnipeg, MO page then we can create a disambig. to differenciate the two. Why make more work for us now? -- Jimj wpg 19:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Primary topic disambiguation applies here. I'm pretty sure London, Ontario or Sydney, Nova Scotia are much more significant places than Winnipeg, Missouri, but London and Sydney still take you to the articles for England and Australia. If someone creates a Winnipeg, Missouri page, we put a little notice on the top. Kirjtc2 20:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - No practical reason to do this, it will only create problems. --Qyd 14:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support—this is according to the guideline, and I can't foresee the problems Qyd alludes to. —Michael Z. 2006-09-01 18:48 Z
  • Support - jdobbin 15:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - Encyclopedic information should be presented in such a way that the primary subject of the article and the title are in agreement. If the article is about Winnipeg, then it should be called "Winnipeg". This is not an article about Manitoba. Save the in-depth contextual information for the body. -Arch26 21:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - For one, how is Winnipeg NOT about Manitoba? Secondly, I believe that it is fine the way it is. We are talking about the city, not the lake, river, city in the US, etc. Besides, you dont HAVE to type in Winnipeg, Manitoba. All you need to do is type in Winnipeg. Just link a disambiguation page for other Winnipegs. Easy. Disinclination 06:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Note that this move is also consistent with the current guidelines at the city naming conventions page. To quote: The canonical form for cities in Canada is City, Province/Territory (the "comma convention"). Places which either have unique names or are unquestionably the most significant place sharing their name, such as Quebec City or Toronto, can have undisambiguated titles. Those cities that need additional disambiguation include their county or parish. (emphasis added). --Polaron | Talk 19:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Though, I am a firm believer that added clarification for disambiguation should be contained within parentheses, and not in the "comma" format. --Arch26 21:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Alexander Begg (journalist)

The writings of this onetime Winnipegger (1867-1884) are a valuable resource for someone interested in that period. Cheers! Stormbay 01:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

The pictures of Portage Ave. and the Royal Canadian Mint are framed TERRIBLY, so if someone could either retake those (I probably could) or remove them, that would be great.

-Richard

I would be happy to supply pictures of Portage Ave and any other required images of Winnipeg. As a Winnipeg stock photographer I have a large and diverse collection. Check out http://siamandas.com and http://manitobaalive.com. You might find it useful to supply these as external links. --Siamandas 22:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed the skyline and portage avenue photos are lacking as well (you cannot even see the portage roadway itself!) I'll take some photos soon to replace the current photos.JacobTwo 01:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I have replaced the somewhat terrible photo of the Assiniboine Pavilion Gallery (also fixed the spelling error) Building, with something a little better. JacobTwo 00:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

How ironic. The image you just posted is the only one on the article that actually has snow in it. Disinclination 03:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how that is ironic but yes......I find the winnipeg article lacking. Hope to replace the mint and portage ave. photos soon. JacobTwo 06:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Ironic was probably not the best word. Disinclination 04:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mergefrom City Place (Winnipeg)

Pl. see discussion at Talk:Cityplace (Winnipeg). Pan Dan 14:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Everyone who has voted has opposed so far. The article just needs cleaning up. (Makes you wonder how many people who start these things, actually live here?) Disinclination 04:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
That was exactly my point--that it's notable only in the context of the city of Winnipeg, which is why it should go in the article on Winnipeg.
But I can't argue with the fact that everyone who has voted has opposed the merge--it's 6 to 1--so I'm going to close the debate and remove the tags. (I'm relatively new to the procedural part of WP, so if there's some other action I have to take to close the debate, please let me know, thanks.) Pan Dan 09:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
XD It's cool. Im not really sure what you do, but thanks for taking the inititiative! Disinclination 04:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hell's Kitchen (Winnipeg)

I question the notability of the above article, and wonder what some of the editors over here think, and if possibly the above should just be merged into this article. Thanks.

forgot to sign above... --Mista-X 08:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I know, at least, that the gang names are true, and their existance. Disinclination 08:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Winnipeg clean-up

The Winnipeg article could use a general clean-up. Should we propose it for a peer review? jdobbin 00:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should. I mean, its pretty good right now, but all advice or critism helps, right? I also think we need to add more Ringette. Yeah, a little POVish, but Manitoba/Winnipeg has the largest Ringette community (I am -going- to find that website I found it on, some day) outside of the Ontario-Quebec area. Er, sorry. Got a little off track. I am Yea for peer-review. :) Disinclination 04:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
You can put it in the sport section. I have sub-divided it but many of those sections, especially curling and university sports need to be filled out more. A peer review would mean many people from outside of Manitoba correcting for grammar, facts, typos, set-up, pictures and the like. It can really improve an article. jdobbin 04:27, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I -would- have, but the entire Ringette article was completely deleted, and we have to start from scratch. >_> I will, however, add what I can. Disinclination 17:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Still looking for help on the clean-up of the article. If anyone can do proper footnotes that would be great. jdobbin 17:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Using the {{cite web}} template between <ref></ref> tags should do a consistent formating. --Qyd 05:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll try and get around to many of the footnotes to update them when I have some time. Any help would great. jdobbin 00:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add recent retrieval dates for all of the footnotes. I have done a few. I hope some people could do a few more for the other notes. I will continue to look for citations for other factual claims on the article. jdobbin 17:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Social

... Really? Thats unique (mostly) to Winnipeg? Can we cite this, just in case? If it all possible. o_O Disinclination 20:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hockey

Why are the Jets given 3 times as much space as the Moose? the Jets belong in the Phoenix section as they are now the Coyotes. Also the Jets didn't really do anything notable during their time in the NHL (the "big leagues" as opposed to the AHL and WHA). If someone wants to read about how great the Jets were they can go look at that article IMHO. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.79.238.25 (talk • contribs).

The reason is that the Jets are still talked about in the news about a team returning to Winnipeg. Also, there was a discussion about this before, and the Winnipeg Jets section was to remain. Disinclination 22:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Festival du Voyageur

I just noticed the appalling lack of information on the Festival, including the fact that it had been going around with the wrong name. Maybe perhaps we could work on it as well? I do have a question though. If we are to take pictures of the sculptures around the city, would we be able to post them up on Wikipedia? I'm assuming they are considered public domain.. but I'm not sure. Disinclination 04:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Your own pictures of the ice sculptures will be okay. Try to put any details you can regarding the pictures though. For example, which street it was on or if you know the artist, you can include that.jdobbin 16:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe some of that info could be added to the St. Boniface, Manitoba article. -- Jimj wpg 04:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that too. But I'm just.. sad.. that the article lacks so little. Disinclination 04:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations to Arts and Culture

I'm trying to add some citations to get rid of the tag. Please check em out and see if I'm of any help at all. :) Thanks. Disinclination 21:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

If you are cleaning up the notes, see if you can combine any that are from the same source such as the ones Defence. I just can't seem to get it right although I have fixed some of the notes when I've had some time. jdobbin 16:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CJOB, most popular radio station? For what age group?

While I enjoy listing to CJOB for the occasional sports update or news bulletin, I don't think this is correct, or at least the wording of it. What about teenagers and young adults (13-25)? Most of the people I know in this age group listen to Hot 103 and Q 94 (Or.. Freak 107. Or whatever they are called nowadays). People who are close to my mother's own age (in or around their early 40's), as far as I've known, listen to the rock stations like 92 Citi FM or Power 97 (which plays new and old rock). And then there are the country listeners... It propbably also violates one of many Wikipedia "rules" in that we can't make biased or unreferenced claims, as well. Just thought I should bring this up. Disinclination 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you look at the link below before you assert that a statistic is biased or unreferenced. If anything it is your claims that are unreferenced and simply will not stand up to any meaningful investigation. I hardly know anyone that listens to Freq 107, and usually only women listen to Q94 or Hot 103, because as a rule they do not have very good taste in music (ie. overwhelming preference for bubble gum pop and dance music). Men overwhelmingly listen to Power 97, 92 CITI, or for news & sports CJOB, and I would suggest, just as a matter of common sense, that men listen to the radio far more than women. --206.45.165.35 16:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

In the last BBM ratings, CJOB was atop once again. It is has been consistently one of the strongest radio stations in Canada. No other AM station in Canada has been able to stay number one over all radio stations like CJOB has. It is one of the facts that I am looking to get a citation on.

http://www.mediaincanada.com/articles/mic/20061004/bray.html jdobbin 18:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To the user Random05

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