Talk:Win (baseball)

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Baseball is not the only place that uses the word win. Other usages should be covered (not that stops the current material being an interesting and good article). Thus the stub tag that I'm about to add.

Exactly. WINS as in Windows Internet Name Server is another use of WINS. I know that's how I got to this page. Peter Tangney 18:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Fixed the WINS issue with {{redirect|Wins|the acronym|[[WINS]]}}. It produces "Wins redirects here. For the acronym, see WINS" on the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BigNate37 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] differentiate loss

"Loss" should be a separate article.

I'm going to see if I can put some work into making this so. BigNate37 23:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I was just thinking that. --Awiseman 22:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps this article should be changed to Win/Loss (baseball), with redirects from Win and Loss. A Loss page would cover the same ground as far as the definition and examples here. Making a separate page will be an invitation for suggestions to merge the two. May as well do that to begin with. Laszlo Panaflex 01:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, I just split them apart. I think the changes I made lend to more consistency within the baseball statistic articles. If we do get merge suggestions that have merit, they can be merged but I'm hesitant to submit to an arguement I haven't heard yet. BigNate37(T) 01:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
They cover the same ground, two sides of the same coin. It's also much easier to explain the loss having already explained the win, as the strained language on the new page illustrates. A Wiki reader searching for info on one would likely be interested in the other as well, so it makes sense to have both on the same page. Laszlo Panaflex 01:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I feel my wording at loss (baseball) is clearer than it was previously, when it was on the same page as win (baseball). Aside from that, there are many articles which are related and not all are merged, making cohesion/dependance a poor indicator at best for merge discussions. I went looking for a policy or guideline on merging, but I couldn't find anything—is there one? At any rate, if they do get merged it shouldn't be at this title but probably at pitching record. BigNate37(T) 01:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Merger policy: [[1]]. Current proposed mergers: [[2]] The pages should use a name a Wiki user would be looking for. If looking for information on what constitutes a win and a loss, those are the words that should be in the title. Laszlo Panaflex 02:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Any merge should probably end up at pitching record. Because wins and losses are two sides of the same coin, we don't want redirects from one to the other which would cause confusion. If win (baseball) redirects to pitching record, that makes sense, but why should one of win/loss redirect to the other? It doesn't make sense, and we don't want people questioning why they got redirected where they did. They're all possible search terms, and I don't think win (baseball) or loss (baseball) is more "searchable" than pitching record. Nobody is going to type in "win (baseball)" in the search box, and why should someone who clicks loss at the loss disambiguation page get sent to win?

I still don't think a merge is necessary, but if consensus is gained for a merge it shouldn't be done carelessly or with a closed mind for how it was there before. BigNate37(T) 15:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

What I proposed was not that they redirect to one another. The name of the page could be "Win/Loss (baseball)," with both "Win (baseball)" and "Loss (baseball)" redirecting to "Win/Loss (baseball)." If people want info on what a win or loss is, they are unlikely to search for "pitching record." Whatever. Splitting the page is a bad idea, but do what you like. Laszlo Panaflex 18:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The converse is that people searching for information about what a pitching record is will not look for win/loss. I understand what you're saying. If you get what I'm saying, then we're really just going to have to disagree and that's not a big deal. As far as splitting, I had already done that before I saw your first comment against such efforts here, that is when I read your comment from 01:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC) I had already completed the split. As I said above, I'm not interested in merging them back together, but if consensus is to merge I won't lose sleep over it. BigNate37(T) 20:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colloquialism

The first two sentences of the "Career Wins" strike me as excessively colloquial, and use idioms that might not be understood by some readers. Specifically, "dead locks" and "Hall-of-Famers" strike me as possibly confusing to non-American speakers of English. dafydd 21:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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