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Willscrlt is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia around 5-Mar-2007

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[edit] Thanks to helpful people!

I just want to thank the helpful people who have given me such great feedback. I really appreciate it. :-) --Willscrlt (Talk) 09:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archives

I have archived more stuff from my talk page to my archive pages. If you had something more you wanted to say, just go ahead and bring it up again as a new topic here. Thanks! --Willscrlt (Talk) 12:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cocktails

Hi Willscrlt. Thanks for telling me what I'm doing wrong so I can correct it. I'll look over the Box format again. I was mostly just copying from other ones, so I didn't read the spec.

Your comment: The biggest concern is that I'm not sure where you are obtaining your recipe information from for the IBA Official Cocktails. For all such drinks, you should only use the official recipes and preparation instructions found at the IBA website. Generally, the only tweaking we do to them is to add bullets to the list of ingredients, Wikify the ingredients and any bar tools or procedures mentioned in the instructions.

Why was the IBA chosen as the "official" source of cocktails? This is an industry sponsored group of major spirits producers. There's nothing inherently wrong with this. But, the recipes presented here may not the traditional recipe or the "proper" one. I would like to see IBA designation given less importance-- taken out of the header and moved to a new section called "designations" or some such.

This brings up another issue, which is that cocktails generally have an original recipe, a traditional recipe, and a contemporary recipe. If there can only be a single recipe in the box, which one should it be? For instance, I've seen recipes calling for a prosecco to puree ratio of 5:1, 3.5:2, 3:1, and 2:1, all of which come from reputable sources.

I was looking at recipes on Haigh's CocktailDB, Drinkboy (aka Robert Hess), in Haigh's book, and in DeGroff.

I'll look for the template thing.

Philvarner 18:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


One more option: the box could just list the ingredients instead of giving proportions. Since the Wikipedia entry isn't supposted to be a recipe book (as per the references to the BartendingWiki [or whatever it's called]), it seems that this would be appropriate. Also, the IBA recipes are available on the IBA website, so this information is both duplicate and close to copyright violation.

Philvarner 18:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I responded on your talk page. --Willscrlt (Talk) 01:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


I think you've done a fantastic job on the cocktail pages. I actually remember looking a few months ago and couldn't find much good information, so I was actually surprised when I revisted last weekend. The increase in quality was part of the reason that I decided to start contributing.

Willscrlt: I chose the IBA as the "official" source, simply so that there would be one internationally agreed upon standard that could be used as a reference point

I actually don't think we should have an "official" source. What I was actually arguing for was that the "ingredients" only list the ingredients with no proportions. Otherwise, you'll continually have people, like me, who see the proportions, think they're wrong (in their or others opinion) and try to change them. The reader can get the recipe other places, e.g., CocktailDB.com, Drinkboy, or the IBA. I don't like the IBA recipes on principle because they weren't democratically decided, they were declared by and industry group (I'm not against industry groups per se, just that they have different interests in mind than cocktail enthusiasts and cocktail historians). You said, "After discovering the IBA's list, the decision was easy: use the one recipe that (I presume) has already been debated on internationally by people much more familiar with the topic than I am (or likely most other Wikipedians are).", and I don't think this true. The recipes were decided by the IBA, not debated, and are not necessarily historically accurate. The other issue is that if the IBA is the standard, non-IBA cocktails will either have no recipe or will have an arbitrary recipe. That's why I don't think any exact recipes should be in the box. I do think each drink should have a link to it's entry in CocktailDB and IBA recipe. I looked, and it is possible to link directly to the popped up window.

""Haigh's CocktailDB, Haigh's book, and DeGroff are unknown to me. If you have a link to Haigh's website, please pass it along. The books are fine if they are the only source available (unlikely), or to be used as secondary sources. They make poor primary sources only because someone has to have a copy of the books on-hand to verify the information. You could state that a Whiskey Sour is made primarily with Pisco according to page 131 of the 1988 edition of DeGroff, but unless there is another editor with a copy of that version of the book (which could even be a made-up edition, as it is in my case), there is no way to verify the (patently false) information I just claimed. Such assertions are used by unscrupulous editors to circumvent WP:RS and WP:VERIFY to forward their own agenda. A freely accessible website makes a good choice, because anyone can go there with a mouse click and verify the information very quickly.""

Ted Haigh goes by Dr. Cocktail and is a highly-respected cocktail author and speaker. His site is CocktailDB.com, which has a large list of "classic" cocktails and their variations. His book is "Vintage Spirits and Forgotten Cocktails". Dale DeGroff wrote "The Craft of the Cocktail", a well-respected and widely available book.

I agree that obscure references can be bad, but I think they're better than the mostly wrong information that's widely available on the web about cocktails.

"" Based on the feedback we have received from visitors, many people come to Wikipedia's mixed drinks section solely to find and experiment with new drink recipes or variations on old favorites. To leave out the measurements entirely would be a disservice to those visitors."

I think giving them only one option is an even greater disservice. I think "new drink recipes or variations" is clearly in the recipe category. I think we should have several links to recipes at the bottom of each entry, but no precise recipe listed in the entry. Again, I think fewer people would try to change the ingredients or add measurements if none of them had measurements and there were many recipe links at the bottom.

One thing I think is important is to offer the history of various drinks. If a drink doesn't have a history, e.g., the Backdraft, I think it should be moved to a single page of "curious drinks" or something like that. I would be quite liberal with moving short cocktail articles into collection pages (if that's something that's appropriate for Wikipedia).

Oh, and just a bit on my background. I'm also a tech person rather than a professional drink-person. I've been into them for the last few months and have been reading quite a bit. I have a food blog and may be able to get some other more knowledgeable cocktail bloggers to contribute.

Thanks!

Philvarner 03:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing: why is the Bellini a cocktail and not a wine mix?

Philvarner 03:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

FYI, from a bartender I know:

The IBA is very popular in Europe. It's not very popular in North America though. They do a good job of maintain standard drinks in the EU, which is kind of good. If you order a drink in Italy from an IBA bartender, and then travel to France you'd almost get the same drink, unlike North America. But, I'm not sure their drinks follow the historical recipes or whether they are abbreviated versions.

Philvarner 05:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

So, I created the Wine cocktail page, but then realized there's not much to put on it. Since it just an obvious description and a list, I'd actually be in favor of leaving it in the List of Cocktails page. Perhaps getting rid of the beer cocktail page would also be good, since it seems to duplicate the list in the LoC page.

Philvarner

Ah, so I see the difference now. Nevermind.

I put the bellini and the mimosa on it, the two that came to mind. I'd say the qualification should be if the majority of the alcohol by volume from the wine is greater than the distilled spirits, then it should be moved to the Wine cocktail page.

Philvarner 05:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cocktail Wiki questions

Couple of things:

A added a page Fizz(cocktail) to replace the Gin Fizz and Ramos Gin Fizz pages. I haven't added it to the List of Cocktails yet. Please do so if you think it's adequate. Redirects from the GF and RGF pages would be good too, if you can do those.

What's with the tag: open-curly-brace open-curly-brace Alcoholic beverages close-curly-brace close-curly-brace (sorry, I don't know the proper way to escape the wiki tags yet). It's on some pages, but not others (for instance, Mai-Tai but not Martini).

The Ramos Gin Fizz has text that's the same as on Gumbo Pages (run by a respectable and knowleable cocktailian, who wouldn't have copied it from wiki). Documented it in the Discussion.

Philvarner 06:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I responded on your talk page. --Willscrlt (Talk) 06:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Followup to Cocktail questions

Thanks for the info

I'll remember the space next time.

  • Good. :-)

I'll keep the merge thing in mind if it's likely to be contentious.

  • Take a look at the history of Jigger and Double jigger for an example of how to do one if you need to.

I'll add the Sour article (with a space!)

  • Sorry. I beat you to it. The Fizz article pointed out to me that it is much better to take an existing article (in this case Whiskey sour) and MOVE it to the new name, rather than attempting to merge multiple separate versions together (which I'm not sure can actually be done). So that's what I did. I will clean up the double redirects that were created and categorize all those redirects, too.
    • I'm glad you did!
  • So, in the future, I would suggest the following course of action:
    1. Bring up the proposed merge/whatever on the project talk page (we really should be more inclusive).
    2. Pick the one, best article to keep (or if all other things are equal, the one with the longest edit history), and that is the one that will be MOVEd to the new title location.
    3. The contents of the other article(s) can be incorporated into the new article.
    4. When everything has been incorporated, the old articles should be blanked and turned into redirects to the new articles. The redirects have to be handled in a certain way, however, so that the edit history is preserved.
    5. On the talk page of the new article, some template (not sure at the moment which) has to be added to point people to the old edit histories if they should ever need to view them.
  • As you can see, edit histories are a big thing that far too few Wikipedians understand or even care about.
    • Sounds good.

I'll add the Amaretto Sour to the sours page also. It's a very small amount of information to duplicate, and someone is going to add it to either place if it's not there anyway.

  • I'm thinking of creating a special article just for it that we transclude into both articles. That way, only one article has to be edited, and both get updated. I remember reading about that somewhere, and it is an acceptable option in a case like this. It will be fun to figure out exactly how to go about that. So for now, just use {{main|Amaretto sour}} as the only content for Amaretto sour on the Sours page. Then I can insert the transcluded portion there when it's ready.
    • Done. I think it should stay on the Amaretto page, since that's what it's really associated with, more so than sours.

The classification gets a bit difficult here, since a Fizz is also a Sour. I'll experiment some, but I think the sour page will probably be something like a "common sours" section with links to the other pages (e.g., Sidecar, Margarita) and Sour-named drinks without their own page like Whiskey sour and Amaretto sour. We'll see.

  • Okay then. I'm glad you're figuring that out, not me. Leave me the easy things like esoteric templates, transcluding sub-pages, and properly categorizing reirects, and I will leave you the challenging part of figuring out how to classify those drinks. Hehe.
    • I'll think a bit on this.

Thanks Philvarner 07:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you! --Willscrlt (Talk) 07:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's with the end of the month

You mentioned something about needing to get a lot of things done before the end of the month. What's the deadline for? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philvarner (talk • contribs) February 8, 2007 (UTC)

In December, when I started the cleanup project for WikiProject Cocktails, I set the end of February as a reasonable deadline to complete the process. Actually, at the time, I didn't know if it was reasonable or not, but I knew that people would need a firm deadline, and 3 months seemed as far out as people were likely to tolerate.
In December, there were several AFD nominations within the scope of our project to kill off stubs (especially the stubs that were nothing other than recipes). I established that deadline as a compromise to encourage people to stop nominating the articles I was trying to improve, without allowing such cleanup to drag on forever and never be completed. Initially, that request was ignored, but after seeing some good results, the number of AFD nominations dropped off sharply. There are still several articles that are more or less likely to be AFD'ed around March 1st, if they are not cleaned up before then (ranked in order of jeopardy):
Between your, Happy-melon's, and my efforts, we stand a very good chance of getting most, if not all these up to an acceptable standard by the end of the month, which makes me very happy. I'm sure I couldn't have done nearly so much with out your help, and the help of other editors who have helped more anonymously. --Willscrlt (Talk) 22:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
my 2c:
I added a Historical section to the list of cocktails, but I think this should be split into something else. I don't know what to name it yet, so I didn't want to make the page.
on the merge delete candidates:
Daisy (cocktail) - Cleaned up and put in historical section.
Gin Fizz - done
Bull Shot, Captain Kinger, Carrot Cake (cocktail), , Effervescent moonshine, Freddie Bartholomew (cocktail), Jellybean (cocktail), Lorraine (cocktail), Mock champagne - minor drinks, these should be merged into the list.
Jäger Bomb - popularly important, but should be on a shots page
Planter's punch - important, but not much to it. I think we need a Tiki drinks page for this
Salty dog (cocktail) -- important, but not much to it. Move to the list of cocktails.
Satan's Whiskers -- I cleaned this up, but I don't think it needs to be on a separate page.
I'll get started on this.
Another idea: create a new page for "stupid drinks in which you drop a shot of something into something else" (I don't know what the real name for this type of thing is, so that's my snarky name) and merge the short-ish Irish Carbomb page and the JagerBomb page to it.

Philvarner 06:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I would agree with creating some type of an historical cocktails articles that focuses on the history of pre-, during-, and post- prohibition cocktails, perhaps with one or two illustrative cocktails in each section. I think that would be a good branch off of the main Cocktails article. I think that building "family" pages for things like Sours, Fizzes, and so forth is a good idea for dealing with broad classes of drinks (I will be updating the Infobox to handle "families" (see Sour (cocktail) for how to configure the infobox for that, even though it doesn't do anything special quite yet).
  • I would keep the regular link to the main article. If the main article is merged to a different page, that's okay. A redirect will work fine. It also allows someone to expand the article again at a later time without breaking links.
  • As we condense and merge, we need to keep in mind that in the future, people may wish to expand and split again. That's perfectly fine, and we should make it as easy as possible for them.
  • The List of cocktails should remain a sort of master list to help people find whatever it is, and serve as a catch-all for minor drinks that really do not fit anywhere else.
  • At least, that's how I see this making the most sense both now and into the future. You're free to disagree, and that's good, because I like a lot of your ideas. :-) --Willscrlt (Talk) 06:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Another idea: create a new page for "stupid drinks in which you drop a shot of something into something else" (I don't know what the real name for this type of thing is, so that's my snarky name) and merge the short-ish Irish Carbomb page and the JagerBomb page to it.

Philvarner 06:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • They are all variations on a Boilermaker (beer cocktail). Carbomb could be merged into the Boilermaker article, but that would definitely need to go through a formal discussion process, because Carbomb receives a lot of interest. I doubt consensus could be reached on merging it. As to Jager Bomb, I think I already discussed merging it with the main Jaegermeister article.
  • In many instances, I am in favor of adding drinks like that directly to the main alcohol's page. Amaretto is one where I did a lot of that. Herbsainte was one created by someone else before me that is a similar idea.
  • A similar "family" is the Snakebite (beer cocktail), which is where you mix a shot (or equal parts) of something with something else. Though that is also similar to a Shandy, which is where you mix equal parts beer with lemonade or other soft drink. All variations on a theme. It's hard to know where to draw a dividing line. --Willscrlt (Talk) 06:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I created the page Minor_cocktails to put Satan's Whiskers, etc. I don't like the name and am trying to think of something better. I see it for drinks that don't have enough info for a single page, but more than just an ingredients list. I haven't done the redirects since I want the name to change. Philvarner 06:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • No. I don't like that either. I faced the same problem with Cocktails with less common spirits. I was originally wanting to say "minor spirits" or "other cocktails", but each would have offended someone. Pisco has few drinks associated with it, but it's a HUGE source of national pride (and edit wars) between Peru and Chile (be very careful when you edit anything to do with Pisco). Likewise, a cocktail we feel is minor (or even historical) is likely to be considered offensive to someone who loves that drink. We have to remain totally non-value-judging in our naming. --Willscrlt (Talk) 06:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing the Todo list?

Should I edit the todo list when something is done? Or is it more of a static thing that shows what was decided to do ? Philvarner 06:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • For now, it would probably be best to <s>Strike-through</s> the text (Strike-through) to indicate it was completed. Or, if you moved something, just add a note there. Eventually we can come up with a page that lists what everyone has done, and we can move things from the current to-do to the completed list as a record of our work. But I'd rather focus on getting real work done than getting caught up in administrative tasks. :-) --Willscrlt (Talk) 23:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Snakebite reversion

Okay on the reversion. If people keep trying to add anything, then I'm definitely in favor of anything that dissuades them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philvarner (talk • contribs) 07:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Effervescent moonshine removal

The drink Effervescent moonshine doesn't seem to exist outside of wikipedia. Googling for either it or the "Norwegian" term in the article only give hits for either wikipedia or the wikipedia copycats. I suggest complete removal, but I don't know how to initiate the process. Philvarner 08:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Agreed. Try the {{prod}} template first (follow the link for options). If it is removed, then a full AFD process will need to be started. --Willscrlt (Talk) 10:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forgetful me

I completely forgot to report the vandalism done to the St. Ignatius of Loyola article, and to add the template on their talk page. Hopefully I'll remember that for my next (I hope it's not too soon) encounter with vandalism. On the other hand, I made my first revert (I think)! I understand the whole reverting thing. Wow, I'm not exactly a low-maintainence adoptee am I? Aside from that, Thank you so much for helping me!. You've been a great mentor, teacher, adopter, whatever you want to call it, you have been awesome.3322 17:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Your revert was perfect. No problem about the forgetting it. It's a process, and there are several steps. No worries. That's why this is a community. We help each other out and we work together to resolve problems. --Willscrlt (Talk) 10:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Gilmore

All of the Gilmore cocktails have been merged into Joe Gilmore. It probably needs some polishing, but I need to wait a while. All of the merge redirects have been add. The main issue remaining is that the infoboxes are longer than the entries for each cocktail, and I don't know the proper line/entry break to use. -- figured it out. Philvarner 22:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] referencing apostrophes

How does one do a link to a section with an apostrophe, such as the Planter's Punch section on the Other classic cocktails page? I tried a few things, but it wouldn't handle it correctly (just links to page, not to section).

  • I think in the past I have just linked to them like normal. However, you can try copy/pasting from the page's URL (you might need to click on the specific heading in the TOC to update the URL to reflect the correct section. Or try substituting %27; or %39; (I forget which one is the ASCII equivalent to an apostrophe. Seriously, though, I don't remember having any problems linking to sections with apostrophe's in the past. Are you sure there isn't something else there that might be causing the problem? --Willscrlt (Talk) 10:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cocktails

Hi, I noticed you've been doing a bunch of work regarding List of cocktails and other articles related to cocktails. Just wanted to mention that I did a bunch of stuff regarding cocktails articles in the past. When I first discovered the cocktails articles here, I found that a large percentage of the articles consisted of nothing but recipes, which violates WP:NOT. So, I transwikied over 100 of them to wikibooks(where they eventually got moved to the huge Glossary page there), and deleted them all from here.

Well, actually, I made them all into redirects to Cocktail. They're mostly still there, if you were ever interested in seeing them, clicking on "what links here" from Cocktail and looking at most of the entries which are redirects will find them.

I actually know basically nothing about cocktails, I was just attempting to get unencylopedic content out of wikipedia. But I figured I'd mention this if you ever wanted to resurrect some of those articles and turn them into actual articles, instead of what they were which was merely recipes. --Xyzzyplugh 23:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Responded on your talk page. --Willscrlt (Talk) 12:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi, I noticed you did some work on the Clan Murray clan badge, thats great. I write much of the Scottish clan articles here too but unfortunatly I was recently banned for uploading copyrighted images. However I can be un-banned by another user. Would you be able to unbann me ? I can explain how to do it. My username is Mjgm84 thanks, 195.137.109.177 12:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VP and Nardman1

Thanks for telling me your thoughts on this user. However, you are incorrect in that we do look at factors other then editcount when making approvals. Based on looking though Nardman1's contribs, he/she doesn't seem all that active in vandal fighting. If a user proves they know what they are doing when reverting vandals they may be approved before they have made 250 edits. However, this does not apply to Nardman1, and so he was not approved. We encourage him to reapply soon. Thanks, Prodego talk 14:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I love

your energy and enthusiasm. Wiki really needs more people like you. You do stuff, and I think that's great. I'll take a look at your ideas and get back to you. SilkTork 14:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibooks, bartending, etc.

Hi Willscrlt. Yes, I'm still active on WB (I'm an admin), but really don't know enough about bartending to add to the conversation either there or here. --SB_Johnny|talk|books 16:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I saw you were adopting

I just joined Wikipedia today, but ive been looking at it for a long time. If you still have some spots open, Can you adopt me? :D

P3whitelighter 23:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Im back

Yeah im going to have to start helping with this stuff - i feel bad for not wiki-ing thuglastalk|edits 15:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Review of List of cocktails

Hey Will. Thanks for the advice. Don't worry, I'm not about to restructure anything major without a lot of input.

I've been going through entries on the List of cocktails. As you've probably seen, I've removed some that don't exist, and have clean up some that do. I don't know whether this should go on the "To do" list or the discussion page, so please move it to wherever it's appropriate. Comments?

A couple of general things:

(1) a page "Soft drink cocktails" to go with the Wine cocktails and Beer cocktails pages. "Soft drink" is the page that "soda" and "pop" etc. redirect to. This can hold all of the entries like Jack and Coke, 7 & 7, etc. This will help keep these from proliferating.

(2) a page "Coffee cocktails" to put all of the various American "national" coffees (Spanish, Jamaican, etc) and traditional "real" national coffees like Karsk.

[edit] Expand/edit page

  • Tom Collins - add history
  • Bronx edit
  • Gimlet edit
  • John Collins expand
  • Bumbo (also known as Bombo or Bumboo) expand
  • Moscow Mule expand page
  • Singapore Sling editing. The first sentence makes no sense.
  • Hurricane expand or merge

[edit] Expand only description

  • Presbyterian - includes bourbon expand desc, not page
  • Man O'War - includes bourbon expand description, not page

[edit] Merge

  • Ramos Gin Fizz merge to Fizz
  • Gin Sour merge to Sours
  • Brandy Alexander - merge into Other classic cocktails, page is mostly recipes
  • Lynchburg Lemonade merge
  • CS Cowboy merge
  • Mickey Slim merge
  • Wine cooler merge
  • 7 & 7 merge
  • Jack and Coke merge
  • Piscola merge
  • Karsk merge w/ coffee based
  • French 75 merge, transwiki recipes
  • Zurracapote merge w/ sangria
  • Tinto de Verano merge w/ sangria
  • Vodka Red Bull merge into Soft drink cocktails article
  • Champagne Cocktail merge
  • Spritzer merge
  • Mimosa merge
  • Rose Kennedy Cocktail merge
  • El Presidente merge
  • Buck's Fizz merge into Fizz
  • Screwdriver merge
  • Apple Martini merge
  • White Lady or Delilah merge
  • Rusty Nail merge
  • Panama merge
  • Pink Gin merge
  • Stinger merge
  • Lime Rickey merge into Rickey article
  • Black Russian merge into White Russian
  • Feijoa Dancer merge or delete
  • Backdraft (also a Pepperdraft variation) merge
  • B & B merge
  • Buttery Nipple merge
  • Sake Bomb merge
  • Glogg merge (already tagged by someone else)

[edit] Delete

  • Salmiakki Koskenkorva - delete or merge, sounds like a hoax, and I couldn't find any reliable references to it.


[edit] Responses

Wow. A great job on this list. :-)

Soft drink cocktails. Eh. I think there has got to be a better name for that. It's bad enough we have beer cocktails (cocktails are distilled spirit based, not beer-based) and wine cocktails, but soft-drink cocktails is really stretching things. However, if you find enough evidence that the term is currently in-use elsewhere (which is the case with beer cocktails and wine cocktails), then okay. Otherwise, we should not invent a term just for the sake of article classification convenience.

Ditto with coffee cocktails.

As to these new pages, please remember to fully develop them within the Mixed Drinks WikiProject Work Area. A review by other project participants would be a good idea before moving the article into main space, just to be sure the article is fully up to Wikipedia standards and not in conflict with other participants' efforts. Plus, developing in in Project-space allows other people to chip in and help with the work.

Sorry it took me so long to respond. I have been without a working computer since the 13th. And now I will be visiting relatives (with very limited Internet access) for a few days. I will try to dial in for messages, but I won't be able to return to Wikiwork for about a week or so, I fear. :-(

--Willscrlt (Talk) 06:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

Thanks for vouching me for Vandalproof. I know I've neglected your project...It just seems there's nothing that really catches my eye. Maybe if you could point me to specific articles I could clean up I'd get some motivation. Nardman1 19:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Category suppression supporting templates

Hi Willscrlt,
Would you have any objection to the above being renamed Category:Templates suppressing categorization...?  Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 09:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

...I have no problem with the category being renamed. ... Your specific suggestion of "Category:Templates suppressing categorization", however, is a misnomer for the templates...
Thanks for spotting this oversight. Would "Templates able to suppress categorization" fit the bill...?
I agree that some kind of standardization would be useful; meanwhile, I've left a thought re routes through catgories to templates here, the place where I've transferred the discussion that began on my talkpage. Regards, David (talk) 18:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Category:Infobox templates, Category:Navigational templates

You said: Hi. I will give you a first-hand reason as to why those categories are very useful (and I know, because one month ago, I used them!). When I was setting out to create an infobox for the Mixed Drinks WikiProject, I needed to look at a lot of examples to find ones that did what I needed (see {{WPMIXInfobox}} for the results). The same thing was true when a couple of weeks ago I started working on the {{Alcoholic beverages}} navigation box. These categories actually, for me at least, are more useful than the documentation. Seeing similar templates grouped together like that is very, very helpful from a developer's standpoint. Sure, the likelihood of any non-developer getting much use out of the categories is low, but when you need to find examples to steal from, it's a great resource. A name change would be fine (though I'm not sure how that would help), but don't merge the templates into some other broader category. That would be a major step backwards in helpfulness for template designers, and that's already a steep enough learning curve to work through. --Willscrlt (Talk) 06:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been thinking this through further, and I'm still leaning towards trying to get the categories deleted. I understand where you're coming from here - I've been in the same position several times in the past - but I think having categories with the aim of them holding every single template of that type is OTT. How would you feel about an "Introduction to creating navigation boxes" page (and the same for infoboxes)? These would describe the various features that the type of template could have, along with many links to existing templates that use these features. Hopefully, this would accomplish two goals - making the templates easier to understand and develop by those that aren't doing so already, and providing targeted links to templates that do specific functions, so that you don't have to visit lots of templates looking for a specific feature / idea. 23:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Thanks, willscrlt - I will help when possible as you suggest. Alot of the edits is do are surrounding school - it is my way of studying with a utilitarianistic spin off. If you ever need opinions/support on a subject message me. thuglastalk|edits 17:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Actually, i had only posted around 5 minutes before your reply! very quick :)

[edit] Problem

The article on 'Canadian Whisky' has to be changed - Its spelled whiskey if its produced in Canada. I don't know how to change this.thuglastalk|edits 19:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Its weird because my bottles conflict. i have books that maintain it is whiskey, however. thuglastalk|edits 19:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mulligan's Bar Guide

Thanks for referencing my book on your B52 shooter entry. shawnmulligan@hotmail.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.53.149.250 (talk) 19:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] PLz adopt me

i hope i am not going across the line but i am so confused and it has taken me 3 days just to figure out how to post like this, and people keep harpen on me to sign my post!

--Sebastian10 22:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Sebastian10

[edit] Neuro Barnstar

If you could vote on my barnstar it would be great. I dont care whether you vote for or against, i just dont want it to be dismissed because noone voted.thuglastalk|edits 22:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

it got support before your wikibreak was over! thuglasT|C 02:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

Someone posted this on your userpage - im assuming its vandalism because it isnt really an award. Im just letting you know incase you like it and wanted to keep it :) thuglasT|C02:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

Hello! I'm rather new at this and was wondering if you would adopt me. I've slowly figured out how to edit things (i.e. post the comment). Oh, and I apologize if this doesn't appear at the bottom.

[edit] WPMIXInfobox

Hi, I looked at this template, and how it's being used in some of the cocktails articles, and I think there's a problem here. The template has the list of ingredients, including exact measurements of each, along with preparation instructions. In other words, the template includes a recipe, which violates WP:NOT. Given the ease of linking to outside recipes, and given that we already have a wikibooks bartending guide [1] where recipes can be uploaded, I really don't see the need to include recipes in wikipedia articles. While I understand that some of the official recipes, such as the IBA recipes, would certainly be useful information to many wikipedia readers, the same can be said for videogame walkthroughs, oatmeal cookie recipes, and various other how-to guides which WP:NOT forbids. I'm not going to push to remove this content myself, but eventually someone's going to come along and remove all the recipe content, so I think you'd be better off just not including it from the beginning to save the trouble of people entering in hundreds of cocktail recipes and then having them all removed later on. --Xyzzyplugh 15:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ADoption

HI: I am new to Wikipedia and am looking to get involved. I work in higher education and have been viewing information in here for some time. I am looking to post, edit and explore. I am not sure if this is the right way to get adopted, so please forgive an violations of protocol. I am so new that I don't know how to tell you get in touch with me. My username is rmanuel23 -- I hope that helps.

Thanks in advance for your help, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Rob (Rmanuel23 02:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)) March 1 2007

[edit] Adoption Request, Twenex

Hi, my (User)name is Twenex and I would like to request that you adopt me. I have edited (parts of) several articles for Wikipedia but would like to expand my efforts. My areas of interest are languages and linguistics, translations (from Spanish) and error-correction/language cleanups.

Jeff Twenex 22:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is there anybody there said the Traveller

Knocking on the moonlit door... I hope that your prolongued absence isn't permanent, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to lose our chief cocktail editor!! Hope you enjoy the rest of your extended wikibreak... We'll all be eagerly awaiting your return! Happy-melon 11:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

I hope your okay! thuglasT|C 14:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

So do I!! Give us a wave Willscrlt!! Happy-melon 19:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I hope you come back soon! C3322 03:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

Hello. I saw that you are a member of the Templates project, and thought it would be good to bring this to your attention. I have made a proposal that would take care of the userbos issues and the general clutter of the Template namespace. Please see it here and make comments conserning it. Thank you for your time. SadanYagci 14:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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