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[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Blu_Aardvark

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Blu_Aardvark. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Blu_Aardvark/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Blu_Aardvark/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 00:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Anaheim Hills Request

Hey, Would you put the small infobox on the Anaheim Hills page with the picture (which is currently down by the Demographics page). I mean like where the picure of the map is within the infobox itself, and justified to the right, like city and community infoboxes exist now. I would greatly appreciate it (since I cant figure out how to do this). --Ericsaindon2 01:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I am referring to the little one on the demographics portion as of now, similar to the one on the Ladera Ranch, Mission Viejo, California page. --Ericsaindon2 02:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Laough out loud about the editor of the month thingy. Its more of a joke because I am not seen as a "good editor" in Wikipedia, so I decided to appreciate myself since nobody else seems to. I want to see who Mike Dillon turns to so that he can laugh and make fun of me some more. --Ericsaindon2 03:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sock categories

I've tried to change {{sockpuppet}} but met some opposition. Conscious 09:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The only good thing I can think of is to use some bot to rename the categories quickly enough (so that not too many new cats are created), then change the template. Conscious 09:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You are my favorite Wikipedian

Image:barnstar3.png

I don't know if any special status is needed to hand out barn stars but I wanted to show my appreciation for keeping Jason Bennett spam off Wikipedia. It appears that you caught the last round within minutes of its posting. You have shown wonderful patience and fairness through all of this. Thank you for being a fine Wikipedia role model. Tree Trimer 04:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. This is the first barn star I ever gave out.

[edit] Dates On Tom Swift Page

While I agree that many of the links on the Tom Swift page are superfluose, the date links actually are helpful by allowing readers to put events in perspective.

Unsigned message left on your user page by 4.236.54.52 (talk • contribs) at 11:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC), and moved here by AnnH ♫ 11:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

No problem. If you ever need anything, feel free to contact me. DGX 17:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

For the thorough presentation and analysis of your case study, I, Guettarda, present you with this Barnstar of Diligence
For the thorough presentation and analysis of your case study, I, Guettarda, present you with this Barnstar of Diligence

Quite simply, I have never seen anything like it in Wikipedia. Guettarda 20:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Agree. FloNight talk 21:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

And so do I. Now, how do we get Slim back? AnnH ♫ 21:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Ericsaindon2

I think you should check out the move log from 00:23, 3 June 2006 UTC to 00:38, 3 June 2006 [1]. In an attempt to evade the result of the straw poll, he screwed up the edit history. I do not know if I can repair it. It seems that you might have to think about an RFC now. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Anaheim Hills, my side of the Story

According to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions:

Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.

Since NOBODY outside of Wikipedia uses the term Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California to refer to the community of Anaheim Hills, naming an article about it with this term is in direct violation of the primary Wikipedia naming convention. An alleged standard naming "convention" dreamed up by mildly autistic and/or O-C Wikipedia administrators for their own irrational need for perceived order is null and void because using that reason violates the naming convention too, which also is also stated as follows:

Another way to summarize the overall principle of Wikipedia's naming conventions:
Names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors; and for a general audience over specialists.

The much simpler and more recognizable term of Anaheim Hills alone is what should be the article name here, regardless of what a handful of editors happen to vote for in a strawpoll.

This is breaking the rules, and why should it be protected on the Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California page anyway? I wrote that article from top to bottom, shouldnt the way I want it, and the way it should be Anaheim Hills, California be the way it is? Why should it be locked on Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California. If you have locked it on Anaheim Hills, California, you would have been in this same mess, with other editors that wanted it changed so they copied and pasted it to Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California, (which you failed to notice that they have been doing it all day). There are about 1% of all pages in California that are community pages that follow this convention, and why should they (your "chosen" editors) get the ultimate power to decide it is locked on Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California. If you look at any other entry on the world wide web about Anaheim Hills, it doesnt state Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California. You have no justification for blocking the movement of this page (expecially since I wrote 99.999999999% of this article). You have no Wikipedia rule that states that the code is community, city, state. In fact, my method is more commonly used, and is more appealing (and not to mention doesnt sound totally retarded). You really need to start looking at the whole picture before you just go locking pages from editing, because you are not following the Wikipedia rules when you do that, and you have no justification. And you cannot report me for disruption to make a point for changing articles, because that is what you people have been doing to the Anaheim Hills article all along in this page, moving it to where your "favorite" editors wanted it just to make a point that this is the convention you prefer. So you cant do upon others what you have done yourself, it would just not be ethical to report me for making a point when all that has happend on the Anaheim Hills page is switching the title of the article to make a point. Please respond. --Ericsaindon2 03:40, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unification Church and Marknw

First of all, you do not revert another user's edits to their own talkpage. If you do not see the vandalism inherent in all of Marknw's edits thus far, then you are either not looking, or you yourself are a vandal. I have no desire to continue interacting with you, as your actions demonstrate incompetence and rudeness. KI 20:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 70.237.91.134

This is just a wild, extremely crazy, irrational guess, but could 70.237.91.134 be a sock puppet for Ericsaindon2? (The user has only made contributions to this article, seems well-versed with the operations of Wikipedia, and supports Eric's agenda. And then of course upon creating the straw poll Eric makes another edit 6 minutes later. Just a shot in the dark. Adambiswanger1 21:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Pizza

User:ISTJester has delivered you a pizza! Pizzas promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by sharing a pizza with someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!


[edit] Thank you

Thanks for the cleanup and for keeping watch as well. Regards, Sango123 22:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anaheim Hills

Would you vote on the Final Naming Poll on the Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California page by Monday, June 6th at 11:00 pm pst. This is a collaborative effort to determine where the Anaheim Hills page will rest forever with no disputes. There are currently four choices to choose from, so go and check it out. --Ericsaindon2 21:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Correction. "we" have not come up with a consensus, "you" have come up with your own consensus. Now, lets see how your idea stacks up in a mini poll that is only set to last for 65 hours. I want EVERYONE ever involved on this page to choose a, b, c, or d, so I have notified all of the editors on the history page to vote. If people like your idea listed right above the Final Poll, then they can comment there, and choose that choice in the new poll. --Ericsaindon2 21:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Comment at Anaheim Hills

My comment has just been removed again from the Anaheim Hills talk page, this time by an anonymous IP to avoid the 3RR. Can you please restore my comment so I don't violate the rule myself by continuously restoring my comment? Soltras 22:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anaheim Hills

Will you please put "Vote B" since that is the one you want. I know that you clearly support this vote, but for some people it is not good enough if it is not physically in the poll. Thanks. --Ericsaindon2 22:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

I was wondering if you understood why I constructed this poll? --Ericsaindon2 22:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you? --Ericsaindon2 23:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I am shaking my head in disbelief. Now everyone hates me again for agreeing with you, and I get no support from you what so ever. I dont know what kind of relationship you have with these people, but I cannot believe all day I have tried to back your comprimise up, and verify it thorugh a new poll, and defended your method, you wont talk to me because people you have selected the editors that matter more to you, or that are higher up in Wikipedia. Its a disgrace that because others are mad at me, you wont talk to me in any way shape or form. I really respected you in Wikipedia, probably mostso, and pretty soon that respect is going down the tubes. --Ericsaindon2 23:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Move It

Can you just move the page to your comprimised name. I cannot seem to get the point of the new poll through the heads of these deadbrains that you seem to support for some reason, so just move it already, or get it unblocked so it can be moved. --Ericsaindon2 23:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United States article on featured candidate nominations list

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States

Cast your vote! The more responses, the more chances the article will improve and maybe pass the nomination.--Ryz05 t 00:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Here we go again

The cleverly named "Etton Smith" (ES92808) has picked up where his friend Ericsaindon2 left off. Just giving you a heads up on a possible infobox revert war. sigh. Adambiswanger1 05:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ericsaindon2 has affirmed earlier that he actually is Es92808. From the Anaheim Hills talk page, he wrote "I use two names on Wikipedia, ES92808 and Ericsaindon2" and on Mike Dillon's talk page, he signed one of his comments with Ericsaindon2/Es92808. Today he is writing disapproving messages about himself with his sockpuppet. Just a guess, but this could be to create an illusion that they are two separate strangers. Soltras 16:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for bringing Wikipedia:Harassment policy to my attention. I was not aware of this policy and will study it carefully with clear intention to follow it. May I also suggest that you read this very same policy.

Any wikipedia editor is required to clearly follow the folowing policies WP:not (especially the part abouut soapbox, using it for political propeganda etc..) WP:NPOV and WP:RS.

Any attempt to take part in turnning wkipedia into a political soap box / propeganda tool is also a violation of WP:Point and I trust that you are aware of this policy as well.

The bottom line is that there are reason behind each of thise policies and we are all expected to follow them . I was not aware that wikipedia has so many policies but I will study each of them and act accordingly. Zeq 12:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ericsaindon2

I am nto sure I understand how the Rfc thing works. I dont see any signatures, and I dont understand what it is about. Could you explain it to me, and what consequences, etc. may be? --70.237.91.134 20:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC) (Ericsaindon2)

So Will, basically since you got the two people that support your viewpoint, there is nothing I can do to avoid the arboration committe. PS. I added a response, erhaps you could read it and comment at my talk page Ericsaindon2. --71.128.23.163 01:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I still dont understand how I was behaving in an inappropriate manner. Was it because I disagreed with everything that the majority of the votes said, or for supporting my strong beliefs. What was my additude problem, and how was it different from the personal attacks I had recieved from other editors who detrermined that they didnt like me from the beginning. Please explain this to me in more detail. I would appreciate it if I could have an explanation on what behavioral issues I have had that were so outrageous that I could be banned from using Wikipedia alltogether. --71.128.23.163 01:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
When I am always blocked it gets kinda hard to sign my name with user:ericsaindon2 so I have to use IP numbers to even communicate with you. Oh, and did you check out the community infobox, its official on that template:geography page! I am still working on the Communities Wikiproject Page, but I just put something up there for the sake of completion. I would appreciate it if you could improve the Wikipedia:WikiProject Communities page so that it looks a little more appealing. I would appreciate any professional help I could get on updating this Wikiproject page. Thanks. :) --Ericsaindon2 02:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
So will you help by editing the page I listed above, it really needs a little help (but dont touch the infobox) --Ericsaindon2 03:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
How do you add a source, like without it actually being in the infobox?

Can you tell me how to add a source without it actually being visible on the infobox like other infoboxes are? --Ericsaindon2 04:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, can you not delete them tonight because I am getting a little tired and I promise to add sources tomorrow afternoon. --Ericsaindon2 04:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michelle Malkin

Thank you for adding the intelligent NPOV edit regarding "anchor baby" [2] Dcflyer 22:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for reminding me about 3RR. I hope that the information I've included on the Talk: page will be helpful in resolving this. Long Live the Wikipedia! --AStanhope 23:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rfc

When does this thingy go away? --71.128.23.163 01:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rfc

When does this thingy go away? --71.128.23.163 01:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Advise

[3] Haizum 02:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

Well, I hope you do surpass me, then. It's not a war. Everyking 11:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

How about you do enough for the both of us, and I'll take it easy. Everyking 11:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SPLC, etc.

No problem. I'm not fond of the SPLC myself but the article has been in my watchlist for a long time so when it shot up and I saw the edits this guy was making, I realized I'd better check his other stuff too. --TJive 12:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Letting Sleeping Dogs Lie

Happy to do so within reason....but that dog ain't sleeping, especially elsewhere. I gave my statement and I'm content with that. Keepa rockin'--Sojambi Pinola 14:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm with ya. Thanks. --Sojambi Pinola 17:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Err... Nonetheless, Fill_Your_Heart has been protected with an absurd false statement in view: "Fill Your Heart" is a song written by Academy Award winner Paul Williams in 1966 with added four bar melody by songwriter Biff Rose, widely perceived as lesser known than Williams. Whatevah. --Sojambi Pinola 17:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: YA-AFD on List of groups referred to as cults

(little bit of programmer humor in the header, "YA" often appears in acronym software titles to represent "Yet Another"...) Anyways, I had some questions that I thought maybe you could shed some light on:

  1. Pjacobi (talk • contribs) talked about all the "previous nominations" that this list had been through under different titles and then listed seven "previous nominations" -- two of which were for articles that had never been spun out of or merged into List of groups referred to as cults. There's a third that I'm not sure about, List of deadly cults -- the history of that is very strange, so I can't tell whether it was ever merged into LOGRTAC. (If not, of course, it means that the very person who put LOGTRAC up for nomination as a poor list created a list of "previous nominations" of which 42.8% percent were actually for unconnected articles. Irony...)
  2. I don't think anyone is fully happy with the criteria we use; every version of the list that I've seen seems to be using a set of criteria arrived at through grudging compromise (usually after open edit-warfare). But is there some reason we don't use the relatively simple criteria of "if there are sources sufficient to mention in the article that it is sometimes purported/alleged/referred to as as a cult, those sources are sufficient for the list"? -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the Barnstar

I appreciate your kind words for my constributions to the "Spanish missions" articles!--Lordkinbote 19:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anne Norton

Hey Will, shouldn't we find a source before we mention Norton doesn't believe in the rumors? Or does she already mention it in the book?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 00:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I've responded on the talk page. -Will Beback 00:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] personal attacks?

Please do not make false accusations on my Talk page. Saying that I use "personal attacks" implies that I've attacked someone personally. I haven't. I made a general statement clearly in jest about a group of people who share a particular behaviorial characteristic. That's not a personal attack. --Serge 03:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

If the shoe fits... Seriously, is mild autistic not a fair and reasonable descriptor for each member of a group of people who favors order/consistency in article names for the sake of order/consistency, even when doing so violates the most common principle of Wikipedia article naming (use the most commonly used/known name)? Anyway, if you really are taking this personally, I won't use it anymore. --Serge 04:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 4.19.93.2

Hi Will, Just thought I should pass on the troublesome edit pattern by this user, who has returned to blanking, vandalism, creating sock puppets, etc. Prepare to Block! Pinkville 18:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject:Communities

Hey, I was wondering if you would post the WIkiproject:Communities on a couple different bulletin boards, commmunity pages, improvement article pages, etc. so that it can be improved and get noticed. I would appreciate if you would assist me in doing that. Thanks. --Ericsaindon2 21:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help, but you know as much as I do. -Will Beback 22:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Since you reverted last before me...

...I want to ask, was this legit, and does "NOR" apply to WP:space? Thanx 68.39.174.238 00:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It's OK, by the time I saw it everything had worked out. The reason I ask is because the 71. editor of that section (Assumed to be A.M by others), keeps claiming that the comment about him possibly making a death threat violates NOR (I'm personally not buying it), so I asked about it. 68.39.174.238 02:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pointless removal of my edit on Mount Whitney

The woman's name that Crooks Peak is named after is HULDA CROOKS. She was very well known in my home town of Loma Linda, California while I was growing up. You spelled it Hilda and that's wrong, so I corrected it. A one-letter correction that you felt compelled to undo for no apparant reason.

Doubt me? Check out her obit at [4]

What is the sense of making changes to someone's corrections if you don't know the facts first.

DKettering909 15:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)DKettering909

[edit] Endorsement of barnstar

Thanks for having faith in me. NSLE (T+C) at 08:00 UTC (2006-06-11)

[edit] Infobox situation

I removed the community infobox in the infobox directory added by our good friend Ericsaindon2. Then he put it back. Should I proceed to remove it again, or should I just let sleeping dogs lie? Adambiswanger1 02:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need to erase libel

Please see the last entry in User_talk:HopeSeekr_of_xMule labeled 'DID' [5]. The perpetrator has issued very libelous accusations while actively and deceptively initiating communications with a secondary victim named in the comment and basically cyberstalking them. Perpetrator is potentially related to User:Jonah Ayers, the only entity in which I have had a contentious encounter with on Wikipedia, ongoing since August 2005. I used to semi-jokingly state in semi-amicable conversations with this entity (taking place in wikipedia) that having a great many sock puppets may potentitally lead to multiple personality syndrome (aka Dissociative Identity Disorder aka DID). And User:Jon a air is phoenetically similar to Jonah Ayers.

This accusatory statement must be thoroughly stricken from the record and the matter investigated further; I specifically request the IP address of the assailant as I will be pressing libel charges if this ever pops up again; at the very minimum, I would like to know the state/country of origin. I have contacted User:Rangerdude, User:Sn0wflake and User:Will_Beback because all three of you have been involved with Jonah Anyers in the past and this quite serious matter needs very expediant results.

Thank you. — 68.89.175.242 06:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Primetime and Mahadeva

I blocked Primetime, but Mahadeva ins't the same user; I know about Mahadeva and isn't a sock puppet, is a good and active user, maybe in Mali commited a mistake. Regards. --Taichi 08:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darkstar1st

Hi Will, It is your Immigration debate pal, Darkstar1st. My password no longer works, wiki says it emailed a new pw, but i didn't get it. help desk page no help.

I've replied at user talk:Darkstar1st. -Will Beback 23:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Primetime's talk page

Look, I think it's way past the point being useful to engage with this guy, so it's probably time to page-protect User talk:Primetime. Do I have to make a formal request someplace, or can an admin just do it upon request? If the latter, I'm making the request right now. --Calton | Talk 01:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David J. Silver

I was wondering if you thought this was worthy of a wikipedia page? This person (Harvardlaw) has attempted in the past (if you look at his user history) to insert himself into several sections of wikipedia. You've helped me in the past and I was just curious what someone else's opinion was. As fas as I can tell, this person's only notable quality is wresting in a tournament against more notable competitors. Thanks. AriGold 13:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. AriGold 21:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JJstroker/Jerry Jones

Good eye! I wasn't able to find any new socks, but I've recorded these ones. Jayjg (talk) 21:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agoura High Image

I am the webmaster of AHS's site, its ok to use here.

[edit] Rogersville, Tennessee

It's not a big deal, but I'm curious as to why you deleted the local city guide in the Rogersville external links? Diezba 20:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stewart Esposito

  • Thank you for your formatting edits on article, Stewart Esposito. I was unsure of quite how to do the blockquote formatting.Smeelgova 22:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] copyright

Would using material from a press kit / press release — i.e., specifically intended for publication — be a copyright violation? It doesn't seem like it would be, but let me know what you think. Thanks. Squib 22:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, which certainly makes sense. Hopefully to reassure you, please note that I did make an attempt to NPOV the material, and I'll be conscious of that if I make a further edit as well. And the material I modified was my own. I mostly just expanded upon what was there now that more information is available. I'll try to re-work the bio section when I get a chance and reinstate the issues/references portion in the meantime. Thanks. Squib 23:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elvis page and others

I don't appreciate you following me around and interjecting into my edit history. I've cordially stayed away from the "Illegal Immigration" stuff because I gave my word, please keep yours. Other editors, thankfully have reverted your incredible intervention into an article you've had no history with, and which you've followed me to, in order to interject into my affairs - called wiki-stalking. I've intentionally stayed away from your edits, where I may have an interest in editing. If you have anything positive to add to the Elvis Presley page, by all means do so. The stuff about racism was refuted by the actual edit itself, by Elvis, by Jet Magazine, and was erroneous. I am currently trying to fix up that article, hopefully with others help. I would love to see it become a feature article around his passing away in August if it can be done. I welcome all postive edits here, and maybe we can work together on this article since to improve it in collaboration as a joint project. Some of the material I remove, I may put back after cleaning it up, and that article is rather in need of that. Please respect my space, because of the history we've had, or accept my offer to cordially work together on that apolitical article to make it wiki-credible. --Northmeister 00:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, User:Northmeister is clearly pushing an agenda. On his user page, he says, "I've been a lifelong fan of Elvis Presley..." He has removed well-sourced material from the Elvis Presley article which is not in line with his personal opinion of the star. Among the sources I have used are several independent publications, among them important biographies on Elvis and a peer-reviewed study on Elvis's alleged racism published by an American university press. For Northmeister's deleting tactics, see [6], [7]. See also this discussion. May I ask you, Will, as an administrator, to keep a watchful eye on the activities of this user? Thank you. Onefortyone 11:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Will, I feel this article is chance for the two of us to work together on a common wikipedia goal - cleaning an article up and making it fit wikipedia standards. Although I am a fan by clear admittance, I do not have any objective here other than that. Let me know, your experience would be an added balance to the editing - in other words regardless of our history and as a show of good faith - I invite you to offer your wit and wisdom to this page. --Northmeister 01:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ah yes, the corn flour is speaks in tongues.

A big hello to you Will Beback! As you may already know, user:Mavarin submitted a mediation request at the Mediation Cabal involving the articles disemvoweling and Barbara Bauer. Discussion will be taking place at talk:disemvoweling involving the conflict. I sincerely hope that everyone is happy with the end result of this discussion, and I personally will remain neutral and understanding of all opinions while we sort all of this out. Kindness and understanding, regardless of the situation, is always the best way to settle dispues, which can sometimes spawn meaness and grumpyness in its participants. :)

A message will be sent to all parties involved, so that everyone can work out an agreeable solution. As a general guideline for being nice, it's usually a good idea to assume good faith and keep a cool head while discussing such sticky situations. Thank you for your understanding. -- The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake {Prophesize) 08:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the reply. If you want to check out the mediation request, check out Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-16 Disemvoweling -- The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake {Prophesize) 09:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American System

You wrote: When you do come back to Wikipedia, I'd appreciate getting a report on how the work progressed on the American System. As you recall, you asked to to stay away for a week so that you could work on removing the unsourced material, etc. Well, how'd it go? Were the problems that I raised about the article addressed? I'd be interested in hearing your view of how the article has been improved.

It went very well. I found Northmeister to be a joy to work with. He was also very able and willing to abide by No Original Research and Verifyability and Neutral Point of View. Details are of course available in the history of the article page and its talk page and the subpage I created for a scratch/sandbox/temp page. Blank/white distinctions and person/party versus person/party irrelevances were sufficiently removed to allow the article to reflect the realities of actual national economic policies and processes. As with any article, further improvement is possible; but I am satisfied that progress was made both in the article and in the social dynamics surrounding it. Agreed? WAS 4.250 13:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyrighted images

Hi Will, I hope everything is well with you. We have run into some problems over at South Central Farm. An image uploaded for use on the page (Image:800px-South Central Farm 01.JPG) was tagged as a fair use magazine cover, but does not look anything like a magazine cover. The same image (or possibly a derivative thereof) was used to vandalize my page (Image:Lenin na tribune.jpg), and may need to be checked out as well. If you can point me in the right direction, I can take it from there. Gracias, --Rockero 18:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Will 8)--Rockero 18:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Horowitz

Might you be interested in a look at this page? It seemed to be in a bad way, but an anon reverted in some redundant and useless information, including uncited "self-hating Jew" stuff, Revolutionary Worker spam, and Chip Berlet material which I had kept in the article but moved elsewhere. General comments would be appreciated. --TJive 20:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sock of User:Jerry Jones

Thanks for the note. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 13:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with vandalism/PR on Mark Simone page

Several anon editors with extensive vandalism histories have tried to turn this page into an extensive PR campaign for the article subject (much as was previously done on the Mark Levin page). I've removed the PR/Press Release info, explained the reasons why in the Talk Page and article summaries, and the vandals are reverting at will. The same vandals are blanking the Talk page. Judging by their own Talk pages, they have a history of ignoring vandalism warnings. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Eleemosynary 15:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Divine Principle

"The quotations added to the article do not appear intended to convey the gist of the text, but rather to highlight certain views in order to reach a particular conclusion. As such, they do not conform to NPOV and so I suggest that we remove them. -Will Beback 05:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)"

Dear Will, I respectfully disagree with your judgement in this case. If you read the DP as a whole, the gist of it is to declare the coming of a new political age under a literal religious "King." It is common knowledge that Unificationists believe, and advocate for, Rev Moon as that King. (see "True Love King") Are not the political statements in the DP very relevant to any student trying to understand the gist? If you read The German Ideology would not the political vision for the future expressed there-in be the gist of it and everything else the rationalization for it? With regards and thanks Marknw 20:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wolli_Kangron"


Dear Will, I added the rest of what I put on the Unification Church page also. I would appreciate your opinion on it. Regards Marknw 21:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Verifiable Sources

WARNING: You need Verifiable Sources to make an edit at the American System page - either to remove or to add material to that article due to your disruptive history. Any removal or insertion of material by yourself may be removed by any editor as Vandalism. You are further put on warning that violation of Wikipedia's STALKING and WP:DISRUPT have been recorded and will continue to be recorded as a case history - You are asked to cease and desist from further harassment of myself or any editor. --Northmeister 00:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Any removal or insertion of material by yourself may be removed by any editor as Vandalism.? Dude, chill out. Aside from posting the merge tags I haven't even edited that article in nearly a month. Wikipedia is open to editing by anyone, even me. -Will Beback 00:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
That is true. I don't dispute any edits that help, I only dispute edits related to past disputes resolved. I appreciate your efforts at the Elvis page. My invitation to work there with me, to clean the article up, is open still. Further, if your sincere about 'chilling-out' I would ask that we work together on a couple of projects before returning to the American System page and that you apologize for your past accusations of my affiliations and state firmly for the record that you were in the wrong about what sort of editor I was. That step would do much to mend fences. I have email, you can email me with any concerns at anytime, as others have noted - I am not an unreasonable person and will work with anyone who assumes good faith towards me and has the interest of wikipedia in mind when editing. --Northmeister 01:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

North, I deleted your comments on my talk page and on the talk page of the article in question as not being useful and in my attempt to be helpful to you in your dispute with Will. If you want me to go away then I will. This is not fun for me. I originally found Will to be bullying. I now find you to be scary. Calm down, please, please, please. If you do not calm down I will choose to have nothing to do with you. Chill out dude!!! WAS 4.250 04:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what to think - I don't have any good options here. I will post nothing further on this. But, any changes to that article by Will Beback that are not backed by sources will be reverted as vandalism and disruption to make a point. --Northmeister 04:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Please, let's all just move forward with improving Wikipedia and the "American System" article. If we focus on the material it will be much easier. I have the best wishes for everybody and expect that we can all be civil. -Will Beback 04:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Will, maybe I did not do it right - but, I have requested that you officially apologize or acknowledge that you were wrong about my political affiliations and reasons for editing - namely all the LaRouche stuff - and that you commit yourself as I will - to a process of not making any further changes without discussion to that page. If I receive the above on my talk page, yours, and on the American System page - and if you can agree to working by a process I mentioned through WAS - then I will agree to remove (if you wish) any commentary that WAS already removed and to start anew towards working on that article. --Northmeister 04:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I do not feel comfortable apologizing for calling you a LaRouche editor because there are good reasons to think that that is a correct description. I do apologize for getting heated in previous discussions, and commit to remaining cool and civil, as I hope you will too. Wikipedia isn't about you or me, it's about writing an encyclopedia - let's keep our aim on that goal. Cheers, -Will Beback 04:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I accept the partial apology - although I never was nor am a LaRouche supporter or person and reject all such descriptions - but, anyway - I've made a proposal to WAS on his page and hope he and yourself will accept it. Enough said. --Northmeister 05:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Culture of Life

I think it's a tricky issue, but I've often seen it as "Culture of Life." Life by itself is not a proper noun, but together they seem to be. At least that's what I've often seen. Killua 14:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Using {{Vprotected}}

Why don't you use {{Vprotected}} on both protected Biff Rose and Talk:Biff Rose instead of {{Protected}}, if you declare that an "abusive vandal has returned"? -- ADNghiem501 00:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

As I looked at your contributions, you missed one more { on "Fill Your Heart" article [8]. -- ADNghiem501 02:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

See #Fill Your Heart. -- ADNghiem501 04:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting vandalism

I was trying to revert vandalism on your talk page, but you already did. My edit to saving this page did nothing. Thanks. -- ADNghiem501 01:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I reverted vandalism by User:Vacuum cleaner again. Please block this user. -- ADNghiem501 03:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] civility

Please remember to remain civil, Will. It seems several users are unhappy with you. Justforasecond 03:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fill Your Heart

This version[comma removed] before you protected "Fill Your Heart", may contain POV that the abusive vandal has reverted to. Please consider to check the history of this article before reverting to a NPOV version and re-adding {{Vprotected}} to that version of the page. which you've protected the article that may be vandalism and probably contain POV was revised by the abusive vandal. However, it seems that you actually didn't revert to a revision by Sojambi Pinola before you were going to protect the page. As I looked at your contributions to this article, I saw this {Vprotected}}, which a '{' is clearly missing, remains on that page and didn't display the formatting of a protected tag properly. If you supposely wanted to protect a version of the article that doesn't include an unverifiable, biased, and patently false information in the page history I've checked, consider yourself to check the revisions that you and Sojambi Pinola attempted to revert vandalism and POV by the same guy who actually did to Biff Rose before proceeding your course of protection. -- ADNghiem501 08:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for defending me

Will, thanks for defending me at Talk:Daily Illini. I was gone for a few days, so I appreciated not having a whole lot of unanswered questions/accusations to respond to when I got back.--Kchase02 T 23:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heads up

You may be interested in Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_26#Category:Cult_leaders ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 03:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rv vandalism

I reverted vandalism to this page that consisted of a picture inserted hundreds of times. All the previous content was deleted. You can view the reverted code here, but I don't recommend viewing the page itself. It crashed my browser several times. I have given the vandal a strong warning, but since the page is protected, it's likely a sockpuppet for just this purpose.--Kchase02 T 04:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

for the logo. Jose Jamirez 23:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elvis Presley: movies section

As you seem to have some experience with User:Northmeister, may I ask you to have a look at the Elvis Presley article and related pages, for instance, [9], [10]. Northmeister has started an edit war with me concerning the movies section of this article and its sandbox. He has repeatedly deleted material which is well sourced, falsely claiming that he is only rearranging the material I am including, but it is obvious that this user has intentionally removed passages which are not in line with his all-too positive view of Elvis as a movie star, though all critics agree that the singer's films are pretty bad, as the many sources I have provided show. According to the Wikpedia guidelines, removing of well-sourced passages is not acceptable and not NPOV. See, for instance, [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], etc. Do you have an idea what I could do? Onefortyone 01:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Map of Orange.jpg

What is the source of Image:Map of Orange.jpg? Did you draw it yourself? I see you've marked it as public domain. -Will Beback 23:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I wish I could create images like this. I was emailed the image along with some other PD images and data when I requested information from the City some time ago.--Lordkinbote 05:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

I'm sure you already saw it, but since I'm dropping by the talkpages of interested parties, check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions (immigration).--Rockero 21:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy is leaving a message there. Danny 22:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ericsaindon2

Will, I dont know how to leave you a message on your normal talk page so I had to put it in your archives. Now look, can you please move the article to Anaheim Hills, California. I mean, I have not put the box back upon the page, and will not until it is verified. I have kept my end of the compromise, so can you keep yours please, and move it to Anaheim Hills, California. --69.232.62.33 07:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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