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[edit] changed the piece regarding the circumstances of his death

I changed the piece regarding the circumstances of his death, see 'Den of Lions' by Terry Anderson

According to the article, Islamists are members of "fundamentalist, puritanical Islamic revival movements". Do we know for certain that the people who kidnaped Buckley were puritanical? Are all terroristic Islamic political movements Islamist?

Yes, indeed, User:Khym Chanur, part of the definition of terroristic Islamic political movements is that they are "Islamist"? Not much room for a quibble here. Not every facet of 'Islamic' culture, however, is 'Islamist' User:Wetman

However, the Wikipedia difinition for Islamist includes "puritanical". Are all terroristic Islamic political movements necessarily puritanical? If not, then the definition for Islamism needs to be changed. -- Khym Chanur 07:22, Oct 31, 2003 (UTC)

- where is the source for the idea that he was taken to Iran and tortured by "Imad Mugniyah"? Why then would Iran go to all the trouble to take his remains and dump them by an airport road in Beirut?

[edit] Cause of Death

I've modified blatant mistakes in this biography. Although this story has been told in several books, there is no substantial evidence that Buckley was tortured for 444 days and then killed. On the contrary, public archives of the National Security Council show that he died of natural causes after his kidnapping, and that Hezbollah announced an execution afterwards (like for the French hostage Michel Seurat). Please see the reference I've added and if you disagree I can send you the NSC document. JB 021607

Natural causes doesn't pass the smell test for me. You say you have a source. 156.56.193.97 01:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Convenient how there is no mention of his treatment as a captive. A minimal amount of research, or interviews with released Hezbollah hostages will reveal poor treatment. --unsourced

Hmm, everything I've read indicates that he died of either pneumonia or cardiac arrest, to which he was no doubt made susceptible due to the sustained application "Torture Lite" practices which the CIA/DoD (or umm excuse me, certain "bad apples" operating under the auspices of same) deem to be just hunky-dory when dealing with the Enemies of Freedom. I'll leave it to others to pull up footnotes, but anyway, to say that he was either executed or "tortured to death" (without the qualification that death was probably unintended, as he was certainly highly valuable as a bargaining chip) is pure propoganda. Whiskey Pete 02:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] implausible assertion, re: CIA retaliation

I'm taking the liberty of removing this assertion from the main article:

The CIA retaliated on 8th March 1985 by planting a car bomb with the intention of assassinating Hezbollah’s spiritual leader, Sheikh Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, a disciple of Ayatollah Khomeini. Fadlallah escaped unhurt but at least 80 people were killed in the explosion. This was followed by more kidnapping of Westerners and the hijacking a month later of a TWA airliner. ^[1]

not because it'd be out of character to the CIA (or "The Secret Team", or whoever) to have done this, but simply because it sounds as if either the contributor who added this, and/or the author of the book in question, is confused about the timeline here -- Woodward et al assert that this carbombing was a retaliation for the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, not the Buckley killing, and anyway Buckley was still alive by June 1985, and believed to have been alive as late as October, 1985. Whiskey Pete 21:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

... and Fadlallah is NOT Hezbollah's spiritual leader: Khomeyni and Khamenei are. As a matter of fact, Fadlallah is even very likely to disagree with the doctrin of velayet et-faqih, on which Hezbollah was built. JB 032607