Talk:Wilfrid Laurier University Student Publications

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[edit] Unencyclopedic

Students' Unions and Newspapers are (apparently) "encyclopedic"... WLUSP is a non-profit corporation that publishes a widely read newspaper and magazine. Please explain how this does not merit an entry.--David R Alexander 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Every University in Canada publishes a paper of some sort, that doesn't exactly merit inclusion in Wikipedia. --Spinboy 06:30, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In this case, the organization is on the level of a Students' Union because the organization is a separate, non-profit corporation with an Operating Procedures Agreement with Wilfrid Laurier University similar to that of the Students' Union itself. Most campus newspapers are either unofficial publications, are owned by the Students' Union, or are produced by the journalism program of the university. The existence of this article is as meritous as the existence of articles regarding the various students' unions. In addition, WLUSP produces more than just the newspaper.--Chradcliffe 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Eyeopener is published by Rye Eye Inc, and they don't have an entire article on the company, just the paper. The company isn't notable. The paper is barely notable. P.S. Please sign your comments with four tides (~~~~) --Spinboy 06:38, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I should also add that the article has a few paragraphs with a sentence or two at the most. It doesn't establish notability. --Spinboy 06:42, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In this case, as noted in the article, WLUSP produces The Cord Weekly, Blueprint Magazine, the WLU'er day planner, the Keystone yearbook, among other publications. So it's not merely an un-notable corporation, but an important provider of media at Wilfrid Laurier University.

I appreciate that you are trying to reduce clutter, but in this case a WLUSP article would be more efficient than an article for each individual publication.

If the size of the article is indicative of its importance, then how would you explain the "notability" of The_Voice --Chradcliffe 06:44, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's the only student paper delivered entirely online. --Spinboy 06:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please don't bite David R Alexander 06:54, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not trying to vite the newcomers. Welcome, honestly. :-) --Spinboy 06:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Would it make a difference to you if the article were about the campus newspaper itself? I'm just trying to figure out why you consider this topic to be of less importance than any other. --Chradcliffe 07:02, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The campus paper itself is possibly notable. All those other publicatations though, are not. Keystone as a yearbook, isn't notable. Every Uni and College in the country has a yearbook. ClubLaurier.ca isn't notable. I don't recommend articles for these. If you do an article just on The Cord Weekly, that would be better. --Spinboy 07:07, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I mean no disrespect, but who are you to say what is notable or not? I'm new to the editing of Wikipedia articles, so could you cite for me specifically the restriction upon which you're basing your objection if not upon your own opinion? --Chradcliffe 07:14, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It is my belief that The Cord and The Blueprint are notable. Clublaurier and other parts of this article give a more comprehensive account of the media situation at Laurier than would be possible with more specific articles.David R Alexander 07:17, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a general knowledgebase in addition, there's the google test. --Spinboy 07:20, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

There's also the precedents page. --Spinboy 07:25, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The google test isn't the be-all-end-all and the publications aside from Clublaurier don't have a strong web presence (which is not a precondition for wikipedia entries). For example, The Voice fails the Alexa test. Clublaurier is actually only a few thousand sites away from the whole ausu.org sites on Alexa.

Can you cite specific precedents and rules that preclude this article?

--Chradcliffe 07:32, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not off hand, no. But I do know that articles such as the Saint Thomas University Students' Union have been deleted. --Spinboy 07:48, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The chief rationale for that decision was that it couldn't be expanded upon further. In this case, there is room for expansion about famous volunteers, historical events that are important to the organization, and other information over the 30-year history of the organization and the almost-80-year history of The Cord Weekly.

--Chradcliffe 15:30, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Then expand upon it, and establish it's notability. --Spinboy 19:29, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)