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[edit] Starting off!

Sweet we have our first member after around an hour. Welcome Doug Bell! I'm going to add some of the {{Wikiproject Golf}} templates around the place for a while, and then see where we are. Grover 07:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Category

I've just started a new category Category:Wikiproject Golf articles to make it a bit easier. Every page that has the {{Wikiproject Golf}} template on it will be in this category. Grover 05:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feature Article

Hi all. I thought trying to get an article to featured article standards may enhance production here. The obvious article to try is Golf, but if there are any other suggestions, shoot away. Grover 09:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Jack Nicklaus? - • The Giant Puffin • 11:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for getting the ball rolling! Yeah I did have a look at the page and there is a surprisingly small amount of information on arguably the best golfer ever. Grover 10:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any objections, so Jack Nicklaus it is. I've started working on it a bit, but its still a work in progress. I'll set up a to-do list on the talk page to show what I intend to do with it. Grover 04:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok - • The Giant Puffin • 11:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
My request for a rating came back with a B rating - • The Giant Puffin • 11:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Golf Course Notability

What guidelines should be in place for a golf course to be notable? For starters, I think:

  1. Has been a venue of a major tournament on either the PGA Tour, the LPGA Tour, or the Champions Tour.
  2. Golf courses on the Top 100 Golfers Digest list.

Time for a discussion! Grover 02:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Grover's criteria. I think courses played in Ryder Cup or Presidents Cup competitions should be notable as well (like Robert Trent Jones Golf Club). Also, to expand your idea Grover, I think courses from Golf Magazine's Top 100 You Can Play and Golf Digest's 100 Greatest Public Courses should be notable.
-Heatfan55 21:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

On this basis there are no notable courses outside North America apart from Open Championship, Senior British Open, Women's British Open, Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup venues! And there is one notable course in Continental Europe, one in Australasia, one in Africa, none in Asia (half the world!) and none in Latin America. Mowsbury 15:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Mowsbury... the criteria are okay for a start, but I think many, many more golf courses are notable without meeting these criteria. Those are probably more the courses we should make sure have articles, but I wouldn't use that as a criteria for deletion.
As a start, I would add courses used by the European Tour, Ladies European Tour, and probably other professional world tours. Additionally, courses used for major amateur events should also be included -- anything used for a USGA tournament (like the U.S. Amateur), or The Amateur Championship (a.k.a British Amateur). There was a time when those were considered the most important tournaments, and courses were chosen accordingly. The Eisenhower Trophy and Espirito Santo Trophy events are held around the world, often at interesting courses not represented on regular tours -- those should be added as well.
Furthermore, there are probably courses that are important in their region, even if not used to hold national tournaments. Other courses may be important for their history or architecture (for example, the first golf course in a country). There are probably very few course articles I would delete out of hand... I would use these criteria more to get a list of articles which should be written rather than a list to be deleted. Good to have a discussion though ;-) Carl Lindberg 22:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Mowsbury, I was simply adding two ideas about golf course notability. Interpreting my comments by saying "on this basis there are no notable courses outside North America apart from...(a few)" is absurd. I thought this section was for listing ideas about golf course notability. I can't list them all. Carl's points are very relevant to this discussion. This is a list of ideas about courses to be added (not deleted)!!!! -Heatfan55 18:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to suggest your contribution wasn't well meant, but it is annoying when Americans forget about the existence of the rest of the world, which they seem to do most of the time. Mowsbury 19:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I agree with that statement 100%! Just be glad that you don't have to deal with people who hold this narrow perspective on a daily basis. But that is a discussion for another place and time. :) Heatfan55 05:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, just quickly this golfing link is a fantastic idea and i am a huge supporter of what you guys are trying to do. i actually help run the largest amateur tournament in Australia the master of the amateurs. This is another tournament we can add in. is there anything articles i can help put in to help increase global attention to the golfing world? cheers

[edit] WP:GOLF

WP:GOLF now redirects here as a shortcut - • The Giant Puffin • 20:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no desire to talk about the game of golf. I have been drawn to this page by the unwanted inference in the affairs of the sport of Park Golf. For too long Parkers have lived in the shadow of the more mainstream game. I hereby declare the independence of the sport of Park Golf, and announce my intention to unite with fellow Parkers in opposing any interference in our beloved sport. We should have the right to govern our own wikipedia page, away from the shadow of a taskforce that is simply the trojan horse of the game of non-Park Golf. Parkers the world over aspire to develop their sport in a way that they alone see fit. They demand independence. Vive la revolution! Vive la park golf!(PS. I am aware that the French refer to non-Park Golf as le golf, however the Park Golf Governing Council have instructed French Parkers to refer to their game as "la Parc Golf", in a move that is designed to demonstrate our new found freedom and independence). You know like Korea and Corea and that whole thing innit?!

Playing golf in the park is illegal - • The Giant Puffin • 18:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Golf shafts

Please, someone check Golf shafts and rewrite if necessary. Thanks. Carlosguitar 17:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow thats a mess, I'll read through it see if I can change it a bit, but its really in need of a complete rewrite - • The Giant Puffin • 10:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Definately needs a re-write, theres no references for the material in there, and the structure is terrible. I'll see what I can do as well. Grover 11:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Standardizing winners board

If I might suggest: I've just been through the articles on the majors, and I've noticed that each one has a completely different board on for the list of winners, also displaying different information — in some cases, lacking clearly, such as the board of winners for The Masters, which doesn't lists the venues. I would suggest standardizing this, possibly by creating a standard template for winners' boards to be used on all articles on golf tournaments. Of course, that entails the task of researching some of the information missing, and standardizing the form of display of other relevant pieces of information (such as the winning score, which shows in different formats in 3 of the 4 articles I saw).
Right off the bat, I could suggest that we not use an entire column to display the winner's nationality: simply place the flagicon next to the winner's name, like it is done in other similar boards, for other sporting events — that would save valuable space that could be used for columns containing relevant information that really can't be otherwise displayed. Just my two cents. Redux 20:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The Masters is always played at the same course (Augusta National) ;-) Not much need for a column to say that. Each event can have its own characteristics that make a slightly different format a bit preferable. Putting the flag alongside the winner can save some space, but it can be nice to spell out the country too (some of the flags aren't too recognizable at that size) depending on room available. I've done some winners tables for some of the amateur championships and others for team events and tried to follow mostly the same format for each style of tournament, but it's not always easy. Some of the data is more easily available for some tournaments over others as well, making it hard to provide the same info for all the tournaments. The score format may be nice to standardize though. Carl Lindberg 05:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Oops, my bad about the Masters! A "venue" column there would indeed be a waste of space! ;-) I suppose the best to do would be to determine what kind of information would be interesting to have in all instances, and standardize the form in which they are presented, and even the order in which they appear on the board. I suppose data such as "venue" (except for The Masters!!), "winning score" and perhaps even a piece of information that is currently being shown in only one of the tables, which is the "margin" of victory, would all be interesting to have. About the flags, I suppose that for those golf tournaments the spelling out of countries, and the question of whether or not certain flags are recognizable, becomes sort of moot, since the United States has most of the winners, by far (so the list for "country" becomes a repetition of the country's name, really), with sporadic wins by players from a limited number of countries, most of which I suppose are easily identified by the flag's image (Australia, South Africa, England, Scotland, New Zealand, Zimbabwe, Spain), not to mention that, when one hovers the cursor over the flag image, a box displays the information "flag of <country>". Redux 13:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been creating and/or updating all the LPGA Tour event pages and working on this since last season. You might check out the format for the winner's tables on some of these pages, for example the LPGA Championship or the Sybase Classic. I've been trying to standardize the winner's tables for all events, to include: year (linking to year in golf, not just linking the year straight), name, country, score, venue, purse, winner's share. There's plenty of room for all this info and I think having both the flag and the country name is informative.. The hover feature also does not work in all browsers or platforms. In most cases this info is available so it makes sense to include it all. I've been working on this since last season. I think it makes sense to standardize these results tables for all the tours, mens and womens, if possible. Crunch 21:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kobe Golf Club

I recently created an article on the Kobe Golf Club, the first golf course in Japan. I took the liberty of tagging it as a golf stub, and since I'm more familiar with Japan than golf, any help you could provide in expanding the article would be most appreciated. The same goes for Arthur Hasketh Groom, the founder of Kobe Golf Club. -- Exitmoose 01:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Nicklaus on hold

The Jack Nicklaus article is on hold for GA status because it needs some referencing improvements. Details are on the talk page. Any help would be appreciated - • The Giant Puffin • 22:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A few ideas

I've been looking around at some other wikiprojects lately for a few ideas that would be good for our WikiProject. I would love some feedback on these ideas.

  • As well as the newsletter, a welcome message for new members and a message used for invitations to join.
  • After the Jack Nicklaus article reaches featured status (hopefully :)), I think it would be good for our project to hold a "Collaboration of the Month" or something of the nature. It would let us improve more articles in a shorter amount of time.
  • This may be more in the future than now because this is more of a small WikiProject at the moment, but it would be great if we could start assessing articles. This would be a big step forward for the project.

Again, I would love some feedback, and new, innovative ideas we could add. Grover 07:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

All those suggestions sound good, especially the Collaboration of the Month. It would help us improve specific articles more quickly. But, as you have mentioned, this would be more effective once we have more members of the project. The welcome message, however, could be started as soon as possible in theory. - • The Giant Puffin • 19:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saint George's Hill

Maybe someoen will be interested in developing this article Saint George's Hill === Vernon White (talk) 23:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ryder Cup articles now complete

I was surprised to see that we only had articles for the 2006, 2004 and 1999 Ryder Cups, so I spent some time in the past couple of days to create the rest. (see category:Ryder Cup) They all have complete results, using the same formatting style as the original three articles, but not much else. What they need is some interesting prose added to them - there are tons of great Ryder Cup stories that we need to get into Wikipedia. I have included three different references with each article, so hopefully that will make it easier to write something by paraphrasing and not incurring any copyright violations. Hope this helps your Wikiproject! Andrwsc 00:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow these are really good. Great job! Grover 07:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Good job, we were seriously lacking in Ryder Cup articles past the recent ones - • The Giant Puffin • 17:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Infobox Golf Tournament

I have made this template but it doesn't seem to work, if anyone can fix it and get it to work i would be extremely grateful. - Bones999 (talk) 18:36 , 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed the template now so please add it to all the relevant pages. Bones999 (talk) 18:51 , 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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