Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia in the media

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Any objections to just merging this page with Category:Wikipedia in the media? The category tree will have a more up-to-date listing of subtopics, and there's not much here more than that. -- Beland 01:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes I do, actually. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:59, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Ordering 2 Linking to other "Wikipedia in" topics 3 Where does one include "Wikipedia on Apple.com?" 4 Proposed merge

[edit] Ordering

The page and the infobox are both ordered fairly haphazardly? I'll alphabetize both. revert/fix/comment if there was a rationale behind the ordering. :) -Quiddity 04:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linking to other "Wikipedia in" topics

Can anyone think of a way to tie this and related articles more closely with articles like Wikipedia in popular culture? That article is in Category:Wikipedia and this article is a few levels below Category:Wikipedia publicity. Some of these articles are still in the article namespace, rather than the Wikipedia namespace. Different reasons for collecting the examples and writing something about them are the reasons behind this, but the distribution of this sort of material across two namespaces makes it hard to collect it all together. Any suggestions? Carcharoth 19:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where does one include "Wikipedia on Apple.com?"

In case anyone has mentioned it, check out the Apple iPhone demonstration for Internet browsing at http://www.apple.com/iphone/internet/ - at the very end, the Wikipedia article for iPod is pulled up for display. --JohnDBuell 19:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

(Should have said has NOT mentioned it...it has been noted on the iPhone article talk page) --JohnDBuell 20:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge

There is a proposal to merge Wikipedia:List of media personalities who have vandalised Wikipedia into this page (or one of the relevant pages linked from here). The first stage would seem to be to decide which pages are most suitable for the material, and then to add a courtesy note on the talk page of that page. Looking at the material to be merged, I suggest all the examples belong in pages under 'Wikipedia as a topic', rather than 'Wikipedia as a source'. Carcharoth 13:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The final comment on the MfD by JzG gave me this thought. We could create sections like Vandalism encouraged by media and Vandalism encouraged by teachers (for instances when the media reports on this) which could stand alone on some of the pages being merged to, since it is often not the media people themselves that are doing most of the vandalism, but rather their viewers/readers. NoSeptember 13:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

There was a recent "professor encouraging vandalism to teach his students why Wikipedia is bad" case at WP:AN, wasn't there? Carcharoth 13:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

There were several in recent months, which is why I mentioned it, but if not reported on by the media it wouldn't be listed. Once we get newsworthy enough, there will probably be media types that monitor AN and ANI just for some juicy stories though :-P. NoSeptember 13:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

But that's not suitable. Needs to have been reported by a reliable source, not based on internal Wikipedia evidence. And that case is not suitable for publication, as it involves personal correspondence. But yes, NoSeptember's idea is a good one. Preserves some of the intent of the original page, while toning down the "they vandalized Wikipedia!" tones of shock-horror. Carcharoth 13:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

What I'd like to know, is how this makes things any different to having an article devoted to vandalism by the media? The argument was that we should merge it so we don't encourage vandalism. However, there will still be a distinctive section where media people can (presumably) brag about their vandalism. This really doesn't make any sense. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The title is less provocative in NoSeptember's proposal. It still uses the word vandalism, but shifts the emphasis from celebrity to viewer. Carcharoth 13:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Eh? then why can't we just rename the article "Vandalism encouraged by the media"? Again, how would this be any different? As for it emphasising the viewer, I don't follow. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm closing this merge proposal and removing the tag. Not enough input. Alternative proposal at Wikipedia talk:List of media personalities who have vandalised Wikipedia. Carcharoth 01:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)