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[edit] Community

[edit] June role call

--Htmlism 22:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

  1. Havok (T/C/c) 14:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
  2. Jirziczerny
  3. Deiaemeth 23:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
  4. Richielin 19:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC) --
  5. Ifrit 05:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  6. Sekhui 06 June 2006 <-- Sargatanas of Runetotem
  7. Deiaemeth 22:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
  8. Rascilon 10:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  9. OrcShaman42 20:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC) (sorry so late!)

[edit] Image:WPW icon.gif

For a project icon I recommend that someone design a "Wiki faction" crest or banner. I'm thinking light grey with gold trim, a large black W in the center. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of this? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 06:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Ugly, I wanted to create a burnt paper effect but failed miserably... (put a buster on it)

Version 2. Redesign with trims. --Shandris 10:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Version 3. With golden border. Havok's is sleeker, though --Shandris 10:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I made and uploaded the one on the left. Havok (T/C/c) 08:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I like the second you made Shandris, but how would it look small? I mean, with all the detail. That's why I removed the text from mine, to make it look the same both big and small. Havok (T/C/c) 11:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Check the size thing, looking good. Havok (T/C/c) 11:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

i prefer the 3rd one --Richielin 12:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Much better Shandris! I like it. Havok (T/C/c) 12:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Shandris, Havok, you put me to shame. Good! Now whatever one we decide on please make sure it has a square aspect ratio, this makes it scale properly using the wikimedia software. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 21:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Haha, thanks, CyberSkull =P. Aspect ratio, you mean the picture must have 1:1 ratio? I can fix that if you want; first we must decide whether we need more contributions, if these aren't already enough. Voting for multiple members? --Shandris 22:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll make mine in 1:1 if it's chosen. Great work though, I think much fruitful has come of this. ^^ Havok (T/C/c) 22:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Faction colors

I've filled in all the faction colors that I can remember in {{Infobox Warcraft character}}, any that you know would be great. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems nice, good work. I'll add what I can. --Ifrit 06:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Participants list

Is the participants list bugged or something? It's not the same as presented when you want to edit it; there are othere names and in different order Help? --Shandris 08:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] project banners

Please leave the WP:CVG banner on the talk pages. They automatically classify an article for the Wikipedia 1.0 project. If we could put {{cvgproj|class=|importance=}} back on any pages that they have been removed from, that would be appreciated. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 07:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Should a system like that be made for the Warcraft project, or is that just silly? Havok (T/C/c) 13:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote for you favorite choice of WPW Logo

The images are shown in different sizes as to see how they will be looking on different parts of Wikipedia.


I vote for Shandris' logo:

  1. sekhui 14:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC). Good work on both though.
  2. Richielin 08:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC) but havok's is nice as well
  3. OrcShaman42 20:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC) ^^ ditto as above ^^!



I vote for Havok's logo:

  1. I like the design of Shandris' logo, but I think that Havok's is cleaner and scales better. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I vote neutral:

  1. Personally I like Havok|'s logo for the reasons CyberSkull mentioned, but I also like the background of Shandris'. I'd want something like... this! [1] (quick and dirty edit) --Ifrit 02:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, even I think that Havok's is sleeker and a bit less detailed, but I must admit that his colors are abit too dull. Hm, Ifrit, to mix these two designs is not as aesthetically pleasing as one would think... Shandristhe azylean 14:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I also think yours is great, but I do not like the "horns" on them, they don't look as good when the image is made smaller, the same with the gold things in the icon. Havok (T/C/c) 13:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Decision

3:1:1 -- what do you say, guys? Guess I'm the winner... Shandristhe azylean 21:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Can someone react?? Shandristhe azylean 00:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


For example, I've put this custom made userbox on my page...

Wiki faction banner This user is a member of WikiProject Warcraft.






Shandristhe azylean 11:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The icon should be smaller. Havok (T/C/c) 13:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I made it bigger to be the same size as my WoW Comment box to the right of this one, on my page. Shandristhe azylean 15:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Suggested/preferred logo:

Wiki faction banner This user is a member of WikiProject Warcraft.





Current logo (text modified, if you didn't notice):

Wiki faction banner This user is a member of the Warcraft WikiProject.




I'd like to request that whatever version we go with we use an SVG version with a 1:1 aspect ratio. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Why must it be in SVG? It's such a complicated format, and I don't have Adoble Illustrator... Shandristhe azylean 11:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I would guess that it takes less space, and looks nicer when scaling. Havok (T/C/c) 13:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
How shall I convert the PNG image into an equal SVG image? Logical suggestions? Shandristhe azylean 13:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll look into it when I get home from work. :P Havok (T/C/c) 13:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I just assumed you both made them in a vector graphics editor. If you can't, then never mind. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's a problem turning it into a vector, Adobe Illustrator should do the trick. Didn't get the time yesterday, I might try today. Havok (T/C/c) 05:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll see what I'll do; turning it into 1:1 is not the problem here. Shandristhe azylean 11:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Here it is, the 1:1 SVG version of my logo, finally ;)



(Hm, it got kind of ugly; I had to convert the PNG to JPEG, losing the transparency and then I found an online converter, Illustrator sucks.)
Shandristhe azylean 14:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, no one seems to be so active here, can we finally decide for something? Shandristhe azylean 21:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SVG Test

Test using SVG format.

Now to make a version of my shield if I can even figure that out. :P Havok (T/C/c) 19:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I've just a question, Havok. Can you see my SVG logo? Cause I actually can't, when it's embedded here, only if you view it on it's own, that is, the full link to the image... weird. Shandristhe azylean 20:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't see it no.. Try uploading it again. Havok (T/C/c) 21:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Havok, your logo loooks great. I can't see Shandris' logo though. Deiaemeth 22:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
It's cause I made it in some weird format, hm... First, in the Illustrator SVG options, I chose "Adobe CEF" (better font viewing, but can't be viewed by all viewers). Didn't work. Then I tried just "SVG" (can be seen by almost all viewers). And as you see, doesn't work either... What's wrong? I mean, I just converted it from PNG to SVG straight-on; i.e., it's not "genuine" vector graphics. P.S. Havok, why is your logo not in full color? Shandristhe azylean 07:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WOW instances

Is there a reason there are a couple dozen articles on individual instances in World of Warcraft? Is this something this project sanctions? If so, why?

I wanted to come here before going to AFD or redirecting, because I feel it's wholly inappropriate, composed almost entirely of game-guide info, something called out specifically in WP:NOT. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I am with you on this. They should all be merged into one article, and all guide elements should be removed. The same can also be said for all the classes in WoW, many are written like a guide. I have started removing pov and guide elements of them aswell. So far I have done Rogue (World of Warcraft), Mage (World of Warcraft), Warlock (World of Warcraft) and Paladin (World of Warcraft). Havok (T/C/c) 09:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler tags

Hi everyone. I'm not a member of this WikiProject, but given that it -- along with all the other video game WikiProjects -- is technically a subsidiary of the overall Computer and Video Games WikiProject, I thought I'd bring to your attention this proposal for the deletion of spoiler tags from all computer and video game articles. An in-depth explanation of the reasoning behind this can be found on the discussion page I've linked to (and a lot of additional discussion on the matter can be found in the places linked to from there, such as the spoiler warning talk page and this archive from it, in which a motion to contest the spoiler warning's Guideline status was successfully put forth), but to briefly summarize the reasoning behind this:

"In no way do [spoiler tags] actually contribute to the encyclopedia's purpose of being informative about subjects on a comprehensive level, and, in actuality, they're redundant of the fact that this is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is defined as a comprehensive source of information on a variety of subjects. This is...not a fansite or blog. Also, given that Wikipedia is not censored -- and, again, given that it is an encyclopedia -- what encyclopedic purpose are spoiler tags serving? The answer is 'not a single one.' We already have a spoiler warning accessible from the bottom of every page of this encyclopedia. Wikipedia need not constantly reiterate that it is an encyclopedia."

If all of you could drop by and weigh in on this, we'd all appreciate it. We really feel like we're working toward the betterment of video game articles on Wikipedia -- and the betterment of Wikipedia as a whole -- by pushing for the removal of this unencyclopedic content. Thanks for your time. Ryu Kaze 22:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WoW Instance Articles up for AFD

Someone put up all the instance articles up for AFD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deadmines PPGMD 15:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] citations

I've filled out some citation templates for the warcraft games if you need to use them. The version parameter should be set to the version the element of the game being discussed or the current version if it is not available. You may also leave it blank, that is fine too.

Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character notability

Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)#Clarification of "notability" for fictional characters and its subsections contain some discussion about revising the WP:FICT guideline to require secondary or tertiary sources for standalone character articles, and to require that such artcles contain no more than half plot summary / backstory, in order to ensure an out-of-universe perspective. Comments are welcome. Originally posted by — TKD::Talk 10:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC). Havok (T/C/c) 11:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is LunarFalls used as a source?

Curious if Lunarfalls.com is considered a reliable source... --Fandyllic 4:36 PM PDT 15 Aug 2006

[edit] Source

As we aren't allowed to use Blizzard, and their own websites as source due to WP:OR, can't we use WoWWiki? They are reputable, and they even have their own article on WP. Would be great if we started working on the articles that where nominated, removing any novelization, original research and strategy elements. Havok (T/C/c) 10:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

WoWWiki isn't a reliable source, for the same reason Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. There's no way to know anything said there is true. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
True enough. It seems more and more that we can just aswell delete all articles relating to anything Warcraft, seeing as no reliable third party source can be found. We can't cite the books, games, manuals, Blizzard, the official site or fan sites relating to Warcraft. I understand reliable source and original research was created to protect Wikipedia, but RS is not that easy to come by when it comes to games in general, not only Warcraft. Any suggestions AMiB? Havok (T/C/c) 11:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
My suggestions would be to concentrate on the things that exist in the real world and worry a whole lot less about the things that don't. It's kind of harsh, but sometimes there are things that fan wikis do better than Wikipedia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Harsh indeed. But then again, the same could be said about other things. Why not only focus on things that really matter in the world, like wars, religion, capitalisme etc. Why should we ex. care about games, music, movies, books, board games, rivers, mountains, trees, math etc. Why not only focus on that other stuff? I would argue that this is the reason Wikipedia is so great, because it caters to everyone, and is about everything. I know much about many other things, but right now I want to work on this. Does it exist in the real world? No, not in the same vain as George W. Bush, but it is a subject that is important to now 6 million players, people who actually do care for the lore. Same as the people who write detailed episode guides to Star Trek on WP, and to the people who know everything about Light Sabers, it's a hobby, just like Football, Tennis, History. In the end, does any of this really matter? So instead of worrying about why I feel so passionate about this, go edit and make the articles about your passions better. All in all, we are here with the same goal, to help others understand and appriciate what we care for. Havok (T/C/c) 12:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
It's not a matter of importance, merely a matter of approach. Ideally, you're going to be covering the characters and worlds and places and stuff, but from the approach of covering them as a part of the work(s) in which they appear, instead of ascribing a false substance to them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 12:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
If I got what you said right, one should not focus on the substance of the characters and places, but rather focus on the works of it instead? Havok (T/C/c) 13:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Got it. If Unpronouncable Compoundword is important in AdventureQuest 7 but has little role in the real world, then the place to cover Sir Compundword is in the AQ7 article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Ofcourse, but considering Sir Compundword is in both AQ1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, and is a major character, he has a place in Sir Compundword. Havok (T/C/c) 14:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

No, he has a place in articles for AQ 1-7. One would hope that those articles would mention that each sequel picks up where the last left off. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are galleries prohibited?

Mdd4696 removed the galleries from Orc and The Forsaken, later telling me that Wikipedia:Image use policy prohibits the use of galleries. My brief examination did not bear this out as the only mention of galleries is in the image queueing section. Your thoughts? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted his edits as vandalism, and I have contacted BradPatrick about it. Seeing as the policy states nothing against the use of these images in the gallery section of an article. He is either vandalizing these articles, or he interprets the rules as he sees fit. Havok (T/C/c) 07:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely, positively, do not ever make a gallery of fair-use images. WP:FUC, the rules on how you are allowed to use fair-use images, requires that as few images be used as possible and that the images identify the subject or relevant points in the article. Since you only need one image to identify the subject, the rest is unnecessary. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

I've been thinking, and I think we should merge are the classes in World of Warcraft, seeing as the articles in themselves can't stand on their own legs. Most of the articles are riddled with game guide information which Wikipedia does not condone. A simple merger of all these classes might be a better solution to deal with the lack of information. Thoughts, ideas, comments and suggestions appreciated. Havok (T/C/c) 07:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a good move, think a merge of races would be a good idea as well, unfortunately, my time is limited so I can't really do that at the moment... Altair 15:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I have recently been merging several of the troll articles together to provide a less confusing atmoshpere as well as to assimilate the parts that were redundant. I plan on doing so for all of the races that have this problem, but I think that incorporating them all into the huge list of creatures would be a bad move in my opinion. I'll try working on geting all of the class info updated so that each class has about the same amount of space devoted to it, as it looks pretty haphazard right now. Chiguayante 00:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Integration with {{cvgproj}}

A request has been made at WikiProject Computer and video games talk to integrate the {{Wproj}} template into the CVG header itself. The newly integrated template can be seen here: User:Hbdragon88/Temp. Thoughts? Objections? --PresN 16:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar userbox

Just an FYI, I've created a userbox for people who have won a Warcraft Barnstar. You can find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Warcraft/Award userbox. EVula 06:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warcraft Custom Maps

I think there should be an article for Warcraft Custom Maps as it is a major feature of the game, sometimes rivaling the popularity of the original maps created by Blizzard in online play. Recently many articles have been put up for deletion due to notability and verification concerns. I think that there should be a custom map article giving information about custom maps. This would cut down on the Warcraft III article size, as well as negate the need for entire articles on maps that can be explained in a paragraph or two. See some discussion admist the comments on the most recent afdl for Footmen Wars. Altair 17:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

  • User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
  • User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
  • User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WoWWiki:Proposed icon

WoWWiki is trying to decide what their icon will be. People who contributed to our icon may want to submit their work over there at wowwiki:WoWWiki:Proposed icon. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 11:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It took us a while, but we eventually picked one :) Kirkburn 05:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anniversaries

I've added Anniversaries to the Warcraft portal. Please help me flesh them out. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 11:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources needed for several Warcraft articles

Just as a heads up: I came across some articles (and I'm sure there is more) without sources. Wildhammer Clan, Horde (Warcraft) and Kirin Tor. Remember: when making articles, cite the references/sources. I don't know alot about Warcraft, otherwise I would find the sources myself. As a note: I'm not saying these articles are made up, all I'm saying is they need to be properly cited and referenced. RobJ1981 05:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV?

The sentence "although struck with some inflexibility of thought, as is common of aging rulers" the part "as is common of aging rulers" seems a little POV. This part of the sentence is not really needed.

[edit] Collaboration needed on classes in World of Warcraft

I just remembered this article was nominated in an AfD. I added some stuff afterwards but I could really use some help either to rewrite the classes that don't have a lore and a gameplay part or to find an other way to do the article... I just feel bad talking about a subject I don't know much about (the lore) -- lucasbfr talk 00:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization

I'm trying to find a rule about capitalization... I don't think the race or class names should be capitalized (Blood Elf -> blood elf). That's sort of how it's done in the WoWWiki, and it sorta makes sense. Anyone? --Htmlism 13:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I disagree. It's a race, like Iranian, American, Dwarf, Klingon. It needs to be capitalized McKay 07:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
But those are more like cultural/national groups. You could say Thrall is a fish, where fish is lowercase, in the same way you would describe Thrall as an orc. Not all orcs are bound to the same nation that Thrall governs. A type of species, if you will. --Htmlism 22:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Race is used an an alternative to species by Blizzard (for simplicity). Orc is a species. Species aren't capitalised. Kirkburn 05:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What to do?

So, I've got a lot of knowledge shoved into my head about Blizzard, I've been playing their games and purchasing their merch since they were big. I contribute where I can, but I want to know what the group is working on, is there nothing at the moment? McKay 07:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hero (Warcraft)

Please comment on Hero (Warcraft). I don't find anymore things to improve so... anyone mind to help? I'm wondering if it's OK to be a good article... or even a featured article :X (ha I know I'm thinking too much)

Any feedbacks are very much appreciated. — Yurei-eggtarttalk 14:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

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