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Contents 1 Yay! We exist! 2 What Next? 3 Lord do I sound like a broken record... 4 To-do list 5 References needed for Vergil's page 6 I rewrote the Devil May Cry plot section. 7 Anime and other things 8 Regarding the Soundtracks page... 9 Restructuring DMC and DMC3 pages 10 Devil May Cry listed as a Featured Article Candidate 11 I've added a Legacy section to the Devil May Cry article 12 Review Box discussion at Devil May Cry 13 DMC3: Sequel or prequel?

[edit] Yay! We exist!

I would like an official userbox, was one ever settled on? And while "Devil May Cry Task Force" is our official name, I nominate "Team WikiDevil" as our nickname. :) Sorry for the silly first post, but I'm just glad this is getting going. --Boradis 00:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yup, we are finally a reality, I have some proto boxes on my user page so there's not much to do besides a copy-paste into a template page, say can you do that I will take five now, writting all this has gotten me hungry, Cheers! to all that lended us a hand in this journey. -DDF 00:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Here are DDF's proto UserBoxes. I've tweaked them by adding links to the TaskForce front page.

Userboxes This Wikipedian is a member of the Devil May Cry Task Force This Wikipedian is a member of the Devil May Cry Task Force

--Boradis 01:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll deal with the template soon, I have also informed all other members about the grand opening, there are still some typos on the main project page, but it all looks great. -DDF 01:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Should we have me, or anyone else, make user subpages of the boxes so that there is just one, nice template to put on the user page? The main page looks great BTW. Peace, -- The Hybrid 03:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks that's really good to hear, there's a lot of hard work there :), about the UBXS I asked for help on that since I haven't ever made a template my request was on Wikipedia:Requested templates but it seems no one is listening to it, oh well *sigh* --DDF 03:26, 27 2007 (UTC)

I was about to post that but I found you already did the work a million thanks for that. -DDF 03:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I put them at User:The Hybrid/DMCBox1 and User:The Hybrid/DMCBox2. Peace, -- The Hybrid 03:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What Next?

Which article should we focus on? Devil May Cry? Devil May Cry 3? The main series page or the Soundtracks page? My vote goes for Devil May Cry, though I'll probably be taking a small break (at least from DMC-related articles) after all the work I had to do with the DMC2 page. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 03:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Note:I know nothing about DMC. I am just here because I figured that it was popular enough to benefit from a project, so I supported its creation, and I don't feel like withdrawing as a member. Don't expect me to do anything but revert vandalism, fix grammar, and support in technical issues. Peace, -- The Hybrid 03:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Fine by me. Your contributions are still more than welcome. And I've requested an edit to the CVG template, to allow us to tag articles as being supported by the Devil May Cry task force. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 03:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what we need a enforcer to keep vandals at bay. My choices would be Devil May Cry , Dante (Devil May Cry) and the Soundtracks page, let's see what other members think. DDF 03:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

About time you get this up and running DDF..hi hi hi. I have to agree with you guys. Lets start from the beginning of Devil May Cry with the first game. Heat P 12:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've done a fair amount of work on the Devil May Cry article. I'm confident we can get it up to the level of the Devil May Cry 2 article by the weekend. The only remaining work to be done is adding more refs (and formatting the current refs per WP:CITET), the plot summary could be expanded, and the Reception portion could be expanded. I'm hunting for topical screenshots now. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 16:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Devil May Cry is looking great, it might be Good Article witin a few days. --DDF 02:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lord do I sound like a broken record...

I've significantly redone the DMC series Navbox. It's compact enough that it's likely to satisfy AMIB, but links to everything relevant to the series including the Manga and Soundtracks. Take a look and comment, guys. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 04:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Compact and smooth looking, I like it. -DDF 04:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

And it's been changed. Currently there's plenty of room for the upcoming Anime and Movie, and we could probably fit another five or six games into the mix without causing the text to wrap even on smaller resolutions. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 14:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To-do list

Okay people we need to develop a to-do list for the task force, please comment on what you think should be there here. -DDF 02:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, DMC1 and DMC2's articles look good so far. About the rest of the articles, I think we could combine all the DMC Soundtrack articles into one (Take this for example: List of Strawberry Panic! albums). Other than that, there's the DMC3 and DMC4's article (This one maybe it's not the time to work with yet, we can hardly make something better that what we already have until the game is released), and there is the Characters Articles, Characters in Devil May Cry, Dante (Devil May Cry), Vergil (Devil May Cry) and Sparda. So far, I think that the main problem with the Character articles is the lack of references or sources.

Am I missing something? --Alexlayer 04:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure (to sleepy) but I think we should put the improvement of the character pages to GA as a priority, the game pages aren't as urgent, the only one that really needs work now is DMC3, cause Devil May Cry will be nominated for Good Article as soon as Lankybugger rewrites the plot as he said he would and the gameplay section is extended a little, so no worries there. -DDF 04:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you're right about the Soundtracks, Alex. I'll take a run at unifying the articles now. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 13:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: The Soundtrack articles have all been merged into the main Devil May Cry soundtracks article, and the individual pages altered so that they now redirect. I'll take care of the various "What Links Here" pages shortly. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 13:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Update 2: What Links Here handled. Joy!!! Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 14:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References needed for Vergil's page

We have to find some references for Vergil's page, the page itself is somewhat ok maybe requiring some cleanup but it has the problem most articles have, lack of references I will work with some tommorow, if some of you can find some to help me I will be very grateful, thanks for your cooperation. 凶 05:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I rewrote the Devil May Cry plot section.

Feedback here or on the article's talk page would be appreciated. I'm aware of how long it currently is, but it's easier to remove items from the section than it is to add items to it. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 06:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anime and other things

There's a new fuller trailer for the anime available via YouTube in both unsubbed and subbed versions. The information therein includes a cast list and of course actual visuals, so I think it's about time we create a Devil May Cry (anime) page. We can at least put up the title card (right? I try to stay out of the whole image/fair use thing because I honestly don't have time or the interest), the cast list, and the planned premiere date which is in June. Whatcha think? --Boradis 07:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

In my long tradition of replying to myself, I've created the page using a reworded version of the paragraph from Dante's page. It needs a sidebar and so forth, where we'll put the cast/character list. I'm not sure which template we'll want to use for that, so I left it off for the moment. --Boradis 07:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

About the template, I think we can use the one we have now in every article, at least for now. I don't know how much we can add. I just saw the new trailer but didn't see any character list (Was it in japanesse?), but maybe we can add a character list for the moment. It seems that someone mentioned, in Characters in Devil May Cry, that Lady and Trish would appear since it was added who would be the Seiyūs for them. I can't comprove it myself, but if it is verifiable, I think it should be mentioned. --Alexlayer 11:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Update. I just added a Character List myself. Do you guys believe this mean we'll have to have serious editions in the Characters in Devil May Cry page? --Alexlayer 11:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It's more likely that the inclusion of returning DMC characters within the anime will warrant those characters getting their own character pages (like Dante, Vergil and Sparda). Currently characters like Lady and Trish lack their own pages due to the limited scope of material they've appeared in. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 18:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Probably the major change to the Characters in Devil May Cry page is the addition of a section for anime-only characters if they appear. 凶 18:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the character list was included in a subtitled version of the anime trailer, which is available on Youtube. Remember though the series is only 12 episodes, so while it might be worthwhile to have small writeups about original characters (of which I only saw two listed in the trailer) I would hesitate to do secondary writeups for the characters who are being carried over from the games (only Dante, Trish and Lady so far... interesting combo). I think we'll need an episode list, but wouldn't go so far as to do individual articles for each. Just yet, anyhow. I'd like to err on the side of brevity. --Boradis 01:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the Soundtracks page...

Music of Final Fantasy VIII <-- See this?

Yeah. This is the template we need to follow whenever we get around to fixing up the Devil May Cry soundtracks page. Heck, I'm tempted to move it to Music of Devil May Cry just because it flows better and would allow us to move beyond the soundtracks and cover more information about the music in the games themselves. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 23:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

We must try to immitate this as soon as possible, but let's raise Devil May Cry to Featured Article and Devil May Cry 3 to at least Good Article before, we must remember that is the cornerstone of Devil May Cry and our presentation card ;) of course that doesn't mean that work can't be done before that but lets try to focus on the articles by priority, peace. -凶 02:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restructuring DMC and DMC3 pages

Now that we have the obviously excellent DMC2 page as a FA (an FA? whatever) I think we should just restructure the DMC1 and 3 pages identically. A lot of the information can even be copied over, for instance the introductory paragraph of DMC2 applies equally well to the other two games. Thoughts? --Boradis 19:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Devil May Cry is simmilar in structure to it, now that it has reached Good Article we must try to make it closer to DMC 2 but it's quite close, now Devil May Cry 3 on the other is a mess most of the article need to be checked and tweaked so let's focus on that article. - 凶 02:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

That's essentially what I did to the DMC article. The DMC3 article could likewise be copied and pasted. I'm currently working on the plot summary for DMC3 (though it's shaping up to be longer than the DMC2 plot summary and will REALLY need to be cut down before I bother posting it), so I'll toss that up when I get the chance.

[edit] Devil May Cry listed as a Featured Article Candidate

It still needs a bit of work, but I'm confident enough about the quality of the article that I feel it was about time. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 13:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Please vote and make your suggestions here --凶 18:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I've added a Legacy section to the Devil May Cry article

Feel free to contribute. Right now it's a touch sparse. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ speak ○ see ○ 00:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Review Box discussion at Devil May Cry

Do you like the review box? Please respond in the talk page. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 20:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DMC3: Sequel or prequel?

Our labeling for this title is inconsistent across the DMC pages, but I come down on the side of "prequel". If you check the Webster definition of "sequel" you'll see that it means both:

• "the next installment", which applies because DMC3 is the third title/product released for the franchise.
• A work "continuing the course of a story begun in a preceding one", which doesn't apply because the story aspect of the product happens before DMC1.

I would label DMC3 a prequel as it is a subsequent release containing a prior story, which is the very definition of "prequel" according to Webster's: "a work (as a novel or a play) whose story precedes that of an earlier work". As you see, the term inherently acknowledges a previously released product. A prequel is a type of subsequent release, one that contains a prior story. So, sequel = "subsequent release, subsequent story" and prequel = "subsequent release, prior story." If we choose to call it a "sequel" we are dismissing the product's story aspect, which would be fine if we were talking about Tempest or Asteroids. But story, plot and characters are essential elements in products like the DMC games. Thoughts? --Boradis 22:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It's a rather thin line but I think it's more of a prequel, it's connected directly to Devil May Cry and it has nothing to do with the events in DMC 2 so prequel is the best choice- 凶 22:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

And also, to bolster my position, the product's very name says is "3" meaning "there were two before this one." Any reasonable person being told that "Devil May Cry 3" is a prequel to "Devil May Cry" would conclude that it was the third released product, but contains a story set prior to the first product's story. It couldn't be clearer, really. --Boradis 23:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)