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[edit] Emre Altug - notability questioned

an admin put a notability template on Emre Altug. Please take a look at it, i haven't the faintest idea why! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 22:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Please help me convince User:Pilotguy to take off the notability template! I cited a couple of sources for him but I need TURKS to back me up that Enre IS a well-known person in Turkey! Thanks a lot. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 23:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article drive

I took the liberty of adding Suleiman the Magnificent article to the featured article drive list on on the tasks page. User:A. Garnet has been working on it for a while, and with a nice teamwork it shouldn't have too many problems making FA. Cheers! Baristarim 14:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note

Turkcell Super League has been chosen by WikiProject football for its AID for the time period between 14 Jan - 21 Jan, any interested WPTR members are invited to take a look as well. Baristarim 13:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

There is a requested move at Talk:Uşak carpet to move the page to Ushak carpet. Baristarim 17:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish-Armenian War

Please if you check the Turkish-Armenian War, as the user User:Clevelander asked all these articles for deletion. He claims, they do not deserv to have articles. I guess the Armenian history does not tell much about this part of the history.OttomanReference 04:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

These battles do exist. I have questions regarding the credibility of the argument that there is no information. There are many shorter articles on wikipedia? Why we are in such a rush to delete these article?OttomanReference 04:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The articles are not referenced and theres no information online or in books so far. Nareklm 04:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Can you give me another reason, because Battle of Gamelsdorf is much shorter article and no google references. However, I have not seen anyone asking this article for deletion. Is it related you being an Armenian? I would like to support your view, be open minded but it does not look like a good policy, especially coming from a good wikipedian like you. OttomanReference 04:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Well the articles shouldn't be deleted in the first place your right, Plus the nominations were a little to fast since its a suitable article :-) plus my comment was on the refs so it should stay since refs don't really get an article deleted for an article like this. Nareklm 04:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested delete's

There were AfD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turko-Persian Tradition and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turco-Persian articles, which were concluded as "Speedy Keep". Now, nominator opened voting in Talk:Turco-Persian and Talk:Turko-Persian Tradition pages.MustTC 17:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I took care of them and removed the unofficial delete proposals since they are not part of the wikiprocess.. Baristarim 14:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RIP

Hrant Dink 1954 - 2007
Hrant Dink 1954 - 2007


[edit] New articles

Just informing you I have created many stubs about volcanoes of Turkey, you can find 'em at Category:Volcanoes of Turkey. Check on Turkish characters etc. welcomed. Regards. - Darwinek 21:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Districts of Turkey

Template:Districts of Turkey has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Gene Nygaard 12:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mehmet Murat İldan

Someone should look at this article nominated for deletion. library records show he exists while others state he doesn't. Some Turk opinion would be fine. Because prejudice against turkish articles has grown significantly recently. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 15:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help with portal

someone please have alook at the portal's code. I shortedned the feature article (this is a requiremment for featured portals) and now there is a huge gap between the featured article section and the featured pictures section. Please help me with the codes, i'm no technical guru...--Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 10:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Bugtrio | Talk 18:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Cok sagol :) --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 19:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Good job! Baristarim 03:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] selam

Merhaba,Türk projesine yardımcı olabilirim.Bitti mi acaba?--Edebiyataski 18:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

You can use the links from the sidebar (in the main page) to reach articles that needs improvement. It is better if you choose a single article and improve it. Project has many articles but high quality articles are nearly non existent. Thanks--OttomanReference 19:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Melih Ozakat

Hello. Could someone from the project check out the article Melih Ozakat? I'm tempted to submit it to AfD since the claims of notability are pretty flimsy but I definitely would need to understand Turkish to convince myself that the article should be deleted. Thanks for your help. Pascal.Tesson 23:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Why are you tempted to delete the article? As far as I know, even though Melih Ozakat is not well known by the young generation of Turkey, he was such a strong figure back in 80's. Let me see if I can find articles on him.. he was on the news recently.

[edit] Atatürk - time to move our a**es

Arkadaslar, su maddenin "featured Article" olmasi lazim! Ben simdi tezimi yaziyorum atatürk hakkinda ve Macarca wikipedi'de bu maddeyi gelistirmeye balsadim. Zamanim olsa Ingilizce maddeye de katilacagim, insallah cok yakinda. Gördüm ki references ve intext citation yüzünden good article olamadi... Bunlari yapmaya calisacagim, zaten elimde süper bir kitap vardir: Kinross'un kitabi. Bu kitaptan hicbir Ingiliz editör sikayet etmicek :) I wuld also like to have some volunteers find some more reliable sources for the statements in the article. Unsourced statements have to be removed. This article should be the BEST work of the Turkey Project on this wikipedia and I'm determined to the bring it up to Featured Status. Sevgiyle kalin, Ata'nin bir Macar cocugu... --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 21:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Dogru, o sayfada bir ilerleme saglamamiz lazim. O konuda iki sorun var: a) çok daha fazla referans bulmamiz gerek veya referans olacak kitaplara sahip olan editorlerin ise daha fazla el atmasi lazim; b) tabi ki o makalede en ufak politik veya kulturel konuda yapilan editlerin veya yazilarin bazi milletlerden editorlerle devamli kapismalara sebep olmasi. Bundan iki ay once bir paragraf yuzunden onbes editor gunler harcadik ve de sonuçta ancak birkaç cumle degistirilebildi. Umarim onumuzdeki bir-iki ay içinde bir ilerleme saglariz. Zamanim oldukça ilgilenmeye çalisacagim. Cheers! Baristarim 23:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Inch axgh ak kosome? Nareklm 23:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 :) There was no secret talk - but we should pay more attention because it is not only Turkish editors that read this page. Sorry about that! Baristarim 11:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Lord Kinross… He claimed that Mustafa Kemal was Macedonian. Therefore I don't understand our advantage (I read it and it didn't satisfy me -I mean the book- ). Whatever, use their own weapons against them haha :) Deliogul 16:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you didn't understand why he claimed that :) probably bc of place of birth and his mother's fair feautres...? HM? :) i don't think that is such a hurting thing... we must not go into blind nationalism abicim :) the book is fair enough I think. you don't have to take everything from it but at least it is one source we can use. IMHO. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 11:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images in danger

I've just had to tag a huge lot of photographs uploaded by User:Shuppiluliuma for deletion [1], because they had no license. Shuppiluliuma left upset over such image problems the other day, so he isn't here to clean the mess up. If any of you feel some of these photographs deserve to be saved, I'd much appreciate it if you could help finding correct licensing for them. In the case of photographs downloaded from www.wowturkey.com, you'd have to contact the individual photographers and ask them to release the image under GFDL. I guess many of them might be willing to do that, so it's worth a try. Otherwise, we'll have no choice but to delete the images in a few days. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and could somebody take care of Çerkes Ethem please? Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I tried to clean it up as much as I could. I am not sure if I can bring some references though. I hope that somebody else can take care of that. Thanks for the notice! Baristarim 12:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I just ran into this: Murat Kurnaz - with a little proofreading it can become GA. All the references are there. For those that are interested :) Baristarim 21:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting small option to WPTR template

Hi, I would like to request that WPTR support the small option. The template size is rather big, and combining it with several other project templates clutters up the talk page enormously. --Free smyrnan 12:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help request--images from wowturkey.com

Hi! I wonder if someone from this Wikiproject can help me. An anon editor (IPs: 151.44.159.203 (talk • contribs), 151.44.147.108 (talk • contribs) & 151.37.179.179 (talk • contribs)) has been systematically going through iamges sourced from wowturkey.com and changing the licence. The new licence applied states that permission is required for commercial use. If this new licence is correct all of these images will have to be deleted (per WP:CSD#Images/Media). The anon editor did not reply my questions regarding these changes. Could a Turkish speaker check this claim (supposedly it is verified at http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14278, which is in Turkish). Thanks, —JeremyA 03:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, the statement is I believe clear in intent, though a little hazy in the details. The website WOW turkey owns the images. They request that the logo on the photo be kept. And they give permission to everyone to freely use the images. If the logo is removed, they ask that the user contact the photographer (which is possible through their website) and ask for its use, commercial or non-commercial and remind people that the photographer is within his/her rights to ask for renumeration in these cases. --Free smyrnan 12:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wondering what happened to Baristarim?

Hi everyone, I noticed that Baris is not around. I think this project definitely has suffered from his absence. Just curious, is he gone for good or just taking a break? --Free smyrnan 00:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i've been wondering where his got to. Let's hope he returns soon. --A.Garnet 20:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I was so busy that I had to stay away from the Net for a while.. :)) I will have much more time for the next couple of weeks. Cheers! Baristarim 19:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh! No! He is back!!! Shit! And I was hoping that he decided to leave for ever Wikipedia! Futile hopes! Refuted dreams!!! (PS: Welcome back!)--Yannismarou 21:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
No worries :) Baristarim 21:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Let's get Suleiman the Magnificent to FA.

Hello,

I have been involved in a gradual rewrite of this article from top to bottom in order to get it to FA status. If more people help then I think FA is not too far away. Cheers, --A.Garnet 20:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Good work. I suggest going through a WP:Bio review and GA review first though. --Free smyrnan 06:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, still more work to be done before i get it reviewed. I've put some to-do tasks on the talk page. Cheers, --A.Garnet 15:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Series of Istanbul articles and its template

Lets make a template for Istanbul, everything about it. The current article is big, and we can split it and make it into a series of articles related to Istanbul, just like the 'Kurdish history and Culture series' thing. Istanbul deserves it. Can we just do it, or do we need to make requests? deniz 03:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I would discuss it on the articles talk page first Ignore, didnt see your comment on the talk page. --A.Garnet 10:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish language

Congratulations and thanks to Atılım for his efforts in getting it to GA status! Baristarim 19:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project pages

I tried re-organizing/editing just a bit. There are a few things left to do - tasks need to be cleaned up and organized. Also, we don't really have enough people to start organizing taskforces, but should it be attempted? For example those who undertake to look at new announcements and those who undertake rating? --Free smyrnan 15:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely could be envisaged, let's just wait a bit longer until all the articles are rated (should be done in a week or so). We are still in an expansion stage unfortunately and might be too early to switch to maintenance mode.. As for taskforces, I don't know but we could definitely try it. We just need to find a way to organize it - in the tasks page, using the WPTR template and categories? Baristarim 05:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding user boxes to users pages

I am trying to move participants list to being dynamic. Putting the userbox on a user's page automatically puts them in the Category:WikiProject Turkey Wikipedians category, which is simpler than the user adding their name to the participants' list *and* putting the userbox on their userpage. Regards, --Free smyrnan 16:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I've been adding userboxes to those users listed in the participants' list, but not in the category. --Free smyrnan 16:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd prefer to have no userboxes on my page, if i remove it will my name be taken off the list? --A.Garnet 16:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Would you be OK with a category? [[Category:WikiProject Turkey Wikipedians]] also puts you in the list, w/o a userbox. --Free smyrnan 16:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Ideally, I dont like to show any kind of affiliation on my userpage. I take it there is no way to have my name on the list without the cat? --A.Garnet 17:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Not that I know of. A sub-page? Or maybe someone has a better idea? This way the list is dynamic - the participants list and the category was vastly out-of-sync. --Free smyrnan 22:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suleiman the Magnificent added to article improvement drive

You can nominate the article for Wikipedia article improvement drive of the week here. Need 4 votes by March 30th. Perhaps we can place this somewhere prominent on the WP:Turkey, like an announcements section on the front page. Thanks, --A.Garnet 20:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robert College

It is currently a GA nominee, for those who might be interested with perusing the article or copyediting etc... Baristarim 22:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, it passed GA :) Baristarim 05:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging and rating

Thanks to all those who are helping out with placing the {{WPTR}} tag to the talk pages of articles, rating them and/or placing the necessary photo required templates. I know that it takes time and seems not so glorious, but it is one of those "behind-the-scenes" works that needs to be done and is essential for the project in the long run. We have accomplished most of the work already, with a big majority of the articles tagged and rated; once it is done it will be much easier to navigate among the articles and coordinate group work. It is very important to have the WPTR template since it makes it easier to keep track of them for Turkey-related deletions and recent changes bots, so if anyone comes across TR-related articles try to place {{WPTR}} in the talk page even if you don't rate them; some users have AWB, which means that we can run through a bot to rate and keep track of them later on more easily (by the way, project members can think of obtaining AWB: it is a tool that makes navigation very easy among a bulk of articles) Baristarim 23:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, it is also a good idea, if possible, to tag articles with the templates of other WikiProjects like Biography, football, films, architecture etc to seek the involvement of a larger audience simply because this project is overwhelmed by the workload as a result of a shortage of manpower, sadly.. Especially for biographies it is useful since the WPBiography people regularly patrol the articles of living people to make sure that vandals or someone else doesn't add libellous information. Some of those wikiprojects include:

Are we supposed to not have Anatolian civilizations tagged? I tagged Hittites, but it is reverted, now the talk page is archived as well. I think we should include them, but if they are not in the scope of this project, I won't be tagging them. denizTC 01:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it can be tagged. I am putting it back in. It would be like saying the American Indians are not part of US history... Baristarim 04:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

+ Might want to keep an eye here: Turkish nationalism. Article created three weeks ago... Baristarim 04:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

+ I know we are trying to coordinate a couple of articles, but if anyone is interested and have the time, they can take a look at Accession of Turkey to the European Union - the article needs to be, simply, rewritten from the get-go.. It is a complicated article and can be a technical one therefore most people shy away from it, but it has been a mess for years... Baristarim 07:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

+ There has been a requested move at Talk:Ahmed Djemal to move it to Ahmed Cemal... Baristarim 07:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey-band-stub

I notice that {{Turkey-band-stub}} categorizes under Category:Turkey stubs. I believe it should categorize under Category:Turkish people stubs, or perhaps even its own category under there. I am completely unfamiliar with templates. Can someone please re-categorize it? Regards, --Free smyrnan 14:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Done by Atilim already :) Baristarim 22:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Create an Announcements section

I see a problem we have with WPTR is that we have a large number of participants, but not a very effective way of mobilising them. Perhaps if we create a section on the front page titled Announcements or something we can draw peoples attention to any major efforts underway e.g. X currently FA push, Y requires peer reviw etc. It just so that when peopel come on WPTR they will immediately see something they can contribute to. Comments? --A.Garnet 15:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Strong support. Doğru söze ne denir.MustTC 16:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I started listing and defining maintenance tasks under the Current Tasks tab. The idea is to define these as rigorously as possible to enable automation later, or to organize task forces or to enable new project members to start immediately helping with the project. Feel free to add others. At the moment there are a number of task-related pages/lists scattered all over project pages. Here are some:
  • On the main page, Open tasks section
  • On the side bar, Tasks, which is more of a requested-articles list
  • A new template, {{WPTR/CT}} which is defined on Current Tasks tab, which organizes stuff under Category:WPTR/current
  • On the side bar, listed as TEAMWORK, which lists Article Drives
  • On the side bar, listed Category:Turkey articles needing attention, expert attention, maps needed and photos needed are listed.
  • On the Articles tab, there is a To-be created section, as well as red links under main articles headings, which also seems to double as an articles requested list.

Given the large amount of tasks definitions that float around, let's have a discussion before creating something new and in the meantime, use Current Tasks tab for a centralized point in which tasks are to be defined. --Free smyrnan 09:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ministries

Türkiye Cumhuriyetinin bakanlıkları wiki'de kendine yer bulamamış.Bugün farkettim. "stub" olarak yaratıldı. Geliştirmeye yardımcı olurmusunuz.(Bağlı kuruluşlar, hiyerarşik yapı vb). Bakanlıklar için bir Template hazırlamak uygun gibi görünüyor.Hazırlamaya adayım.Görüşlerinizi bekliyorum.MustTC 16:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Gallipoli

I am surprised by the quality of this article. It is well written, concise and informative. Imo, all it needs is a referencing spree and FA is not far away. I'd urge people to take a look and tell me what you think. --A.Garnet 16:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is in a good shape. I raised the possibility of a FA push at WP Military History. I hope that they will also get involved.. Baristarim 19:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion at WikiProject Military History about the possibility of creating an Ottoman and/or Middle Eastern history task force.. Baristarim 20:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone has been working on Baghdad Railway, and it is near GA quality. If anybody can images, it would be a sure thing.. Baristarim 22:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] infobox province

Let's have another variable for the name without Turkish characters. Otherwise, the government website links won't work. Also, we will have problems adding other things like weather forecast. Another option is just to rename the images to the names without English characters. denizTC 13:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have another suggestion, lets keep the "name" variable as the one with no Turkish characters, and create a new variable, default it to the "name" variable, and change it only if the city name has Turkish characters. denizTC 14:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Deniz, it is better to have place-articles with original Turkish name. In this position, to change Image names will solve most of the problems. One problem here to sort turkish places in categories. To use {{DEFAULTSORT:XXXXX}} will solve this problem(Many article have this key allready). Please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey/Current tasks/Maps page for the list of Map images with problematic names.Regards.Must.T C 15:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Mustafa, I am planning to create a new variable, called say "turkname", which will be the name with Turkish characters, and the variable "name" will be the name without Turkish characters. The reason I am doing this is that this way we won't have to manually edit the government website links. Also I am planning to add the weather forecast links soon, and we need the name without Turkish characters there as well. So the images will use "turkname", others will use "name". By default, "turkname" will be equal to "name". We just need to manually add "turkname"s for all the provinces whose name has Turkish characters. What are your opinions? denizTC 21:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

sorry Denizz, I was away for some days. Lets discuss a little bit;
  • For me, It is better to use Turkish in Original name of article(whenever possible)
--> change other material names to Turkish(Images etc)
Problems which arise when we use Turkish in articles;
Sorting these articles in categories(Many users dont like to see some articles sorted after "Z" for ex. under "İ".
Sorting is a matter of programming.Lets check/ask for wikiprogramming to use these letters in wiki
Presently a key ; "sortkey" in use in the "Template:Districts of Turkey" (which inserts Pagename to some categories) to sort related article to the categories under Eng. eguvalent/smilar letter( Iğdır; as Igdir etc). This is a solution for categories created by templates, if somebody would insert this article to any other category, problem continue.In this case a global template; DEFAULTSORT:xxxxx can be used bu it is necessary to insert and edit xxxxx;as English name.
Using other materials like web names etc( as in your case)
I like name of your key "turkname".itis better use this instead of "sortkey".
Please check( I will do also), is it possible to create a code(similar to DEFAULTSORT;default name is pagename, If pagename is include Turkish letters then automatically create an artificial pagename replacing turkish characters with similar eng. one)), insert to articles with Turkish letter only one, at the top of the article than all problems willbe solved by using PAGENAME.Lets check.Must.T C 14:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ottoman task force

I thought I should bring the following input from Kyriakos in the project's attention:

"Hi everyone, a discuss is going on at WPMILHIST about wether or not an Ottoman task force should be created. Since this subject seems to go hand in hand with some Greek articles, I thought this would be a good place to past a message. If you are intrested please ggo to WPMILHIST and show your support. Geia. Kyriakos 09:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)"

Thanks!--Yannismarou 20:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Can we move forward guys? I see no volunteers ;) -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 13:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I said I would join on the talk page. --A.Garnet 13:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Garnet. Anyway, this is the link of the discussion for people who are unaware of it. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 14:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It has been created: Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Ottoman military history task force Baristarim 23:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Villages and Neighbourhoods

Why did someone delete these articles? Rarelibra 18:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. I had no idea that they were deleted.. Baristarim 23:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do you know anything about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Human_Rights:_A_Non-Turkish_Perspective

Do you know anything about this article on Wikipedia? Can anyone do something about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.226.107.247 (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for bringing it to the project's attention.. Baristarim 15:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I have AfDed and listed at Turkey deletion sorting. AFD is here. Baristarim 16:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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