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Contents 1 Power Rangers/Super Sentai 2 Scope 3 Fair use images 4 Super Hero Time 5 Another image concern 6 Parent projects 7 Fan names 8 Kamen Rider Dragon Knight 9 A little assistance 10 Template:Kamen Rider Kabuto 11 Translation/Romanicization 12 Kamen Rider Wiki 13 Wikiranger 14 Gekiranger 15 Kamen Rider (franchise) 16 Sentai article renames 17 Assistance over Plot Hole matters at KRK 18 Geki Wazas

[edit] Power Rangers/Super Sentai

Current makeup of the articles

• Zords
• Character list
• List of all grunt monsters (main villains have their own article)
• List of episodes
• Arsenel
• Uniqueness of the series/Trivia

It's been my view that most of it is extremely crufty.

• Episode lists should be cast off into their own article or not mentioned at all. I don't have any context for what "The Fate of Lightspeed" line means, for instnace, other than it is the last epsiode. This might be daunting for Super Sentai, with 30 seaons, but i think that List of Power Rangers episodes holds up pretty well.
• Arsenel is meaningless and has no context. There are no pictures, for one thing. I don't even know the names of some of the individual zords, so why are we listing them all?
• Characters. The post-Zordon Rangers aren't bad, most of them rolled up into one page, but pre-Zordon dives into the obscure. Billy Cranston dressed up as Sherlock Homles? So what? Super Sentai is just horrific - full of peacock terms like "xxxx is kind and caring." Please: Just the facts.
• Monsters. Power Rangers fares better, sa only major villains are featured, but Super Snetai is horrific: why do we need to know the names of each monster that has been killed off or frozen, episode by episode?
• Uniqueness of the series: Once you're forced to make it into cohesive paragraphs, most of the cruftiness disappears. Names/Puns in the Super Sentai articles have been problems though, as they're all WP:NOR.

I think the philiosphy of removing or converting bulleted lists would do the trick on most of these problems. For the zords, I Think we would need to have at least some lists - in which case, a sentence of context (what the zord does, when it was introduced, etc.) would be good. Hbdragon88 06:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It is a primary objective to de-listify a good portion of all of the content of the articles. When I asked how much it would take to get Super Sentai to featured article status, it was told to me that I should put it up for featured list status. I have done some of these changes to the articles already (making more sentences and whatnot) for at least the Zord sections. Other things I will comment on at a later time, as I am currently busy.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I really have no problem with keeping the episode lists the way they are now. However, I would like to ultimately see the episode lists done in the fashion of List of Kamen Rider Kabuto episodes (that is, one episode list page per series, with synopses--but we shouldn't split the episode lists off until someone actually writes the synopses). jgp ^T_C 07:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, by "delisting" I mean turning a lot of bulleted lists into actual prose, like the arsenal section for Mystic Force or the character section of Abaranger.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I agree with that--I was just replying to User:Hbdragon88's above comment about episode lists. jgp ^T_C 07:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that a few days ago I found a site that had links for fansubs for the series Bakuryuu Sentai Abaranger at [link removed, please do not add links to copyright infringement].

I also would like to point out that while trying to fill out expand the Abaranger page that the biggest issue I had to deal with was inaccurate details that I found had to do with Episode 40 of Abaranger and the battle against Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost. Here is the old description

KillerGhost (Kirāghotsu) (30-31) / Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost (40): A monster-clone created by Mikoto, modeled after AbareKiller in AbareMode. KillerGhost was so powerful it managed to capture 5 of the Blastasaurus. It took Abared to become AbareMax to kill it. KillerGhost was later revived by Lijewel, who upgraded him with free-will and more power than before as Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost. AbareBlack was able to destroy the upgrade jewel, and Abaren'oh with a DinoGUTS power-boost was able to kill him forever.

In the Power Ranger version his american counterpart White Terrorsaurus II had stripped the Rangers of their powers and after Tommy had come out of his coma he defeated him and restored the other rangers powers and Conner, Ethan, and Kira destroyed Terrorsaurus for good by combining the power of their Super Dino Mode forms with the Thundersaurus Megazord. While in the Abaranger version the difference is that the giant battle occurs first and while that battle is occuring Jeanne and AbareKiller were fighting against Asuka who was still possessed by the cursed armor. It was shortly afterwards that KillerGhost was still alive and Asuka had been freed from the curse that he personally fought and destroyed KillerGhost by himself. So after analyzing the footage carefully I revised a new, more accurate profile.

KillerGhost (Kirāghotsu) (30-31) / Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost (40): A monster-clone created by Mikoto, modeled after AbareKiller in AbareMode. KillerGhost was so powerful it managed to capture 5 of the Blastasaurus. It took Abared to become AbareMax to kill it. KillerGhost was later revived by Lijewel, who upgraded him with free-will and more power than before as Lijewloid Two-Worlds' KillerGhost. Abaren'oh with a DinoGUTS power-boost was able to defeat him, but he had survived, and AbareBlack was eventually able to him kill him forever.

If anyone needs to make a minor adjustment to this then go ahead and I would like to point out that information like this should be checked if posssible for any inaccurate details since PR might have a minor change that would be hard to notice. Also in terms of the quality of the subtitles their translation of certain character names as well as special techniques are not as good compared to TV-Nihon. -Adv193 03:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scope

Whoa. The scope is huge. Masked Rider/Beetleborgs can stay under the main header as they lasted for 1-2 seasons. But Super Sentai/Power Rangers should be put under a more specific work group, or something like that - 45 seasons is by no menas a small feat. Hbdragon88 06:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Our project covers everything tokusatsu. We work with Godzilla, Chouseishin Gransazers, Saban's Masked Rider, etc. We don't do it all at once, but we work on what we can.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This is true of several of the subareas; kaiju films, for instance, have a huge catalog — "tokusatsu" is a very large area to work within. As this project grows, sure, it'd be great to split up into smaller projects, but I think we should work on establishing a common place to improve these articles and having a centralised discussion area before worrying about that.--SB | T 08:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use images

I need some help here in pruning articles of huge galleries of fair use images. For instance, Virtual Dungeon has images on every monster, which is wholly unnecessary and a massive copyright violation. It breaks WP:FUC #8 and #8: unfree images should be used as little as possible. The only characters that need to be illustrated are the major villains. I've only checked out the Metal Heroes-related pages (mostly because of an increased interest in VR Troopers), which have the most gratitious problems.

On a less severe note, Power Rangers/Super Sentai are also slightly problematic. For instnace, List of Gaoranger characters has six images. Group shots appear to be the de facto standard, reducing the images from 5-5 to just 1-2. I was wondering if some kind of standard should be adopted for all pages. Hbdragon88 05:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, finding a group image is the difficult thing. So long as fair use pictures are kept at a minimum and have fair use rationales for their use in the article are given, then I do not know any sort of problem. Surely, all the images at that damn page can be nuked, as can their compliments at the Shaider, Kikaider, Sharivan, etc pages.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, to be specific, I agree with the VR Troopers pages, but disagree with the Gaoranger (or other sentai articles) unless a decent group image is found (like that at Ozu Family)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree that the Metal Heroes pages need to be trimmed of most, if not all, kaijin images--not just for WP:FUC concerns, but also for readability reasons: a while back I split the villain info in Jikuu Senshi Spielban and Choujinki Metalder off into new pages, because the main pages had become utterly unreadable due to the sheer flood of images. Maybe we should have a new standard: villains only get images if they're significant (that is, they're not monster-of-the-week kaijin). jgp ^T_C 07:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, we have GrnRngr working on the Power Ranger monsters, so you needn't worry about that, but I agree that the images at Metal Heroes need to be culled.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Hero Time

There is a Japanese article on it, maybe we could create one for this version of Wikipedia? That way we might be able to add the "Super Hero Time(insert year/shows)" box at the end of each Sentai and Kamen Rider page, maybe some others as well since I notice stuff going back as far as 1960. Yaguruma 10:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yea, i brought that up on Ryulongs talk page, and i think its a practical idea for shows that have aired during the 3rd Generation of Kamen Rider to have a combined transition box with the current Sentai. Floria L 14:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

This does sound like a fairly good idea, but from what I see in the Japanese pages that it's a relationship solely based on air-time. If there are other shows that are aired, then we could probably connect other such shows.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

As I understand it, there are bumpers and shorts that are aired during the block as well, some of them being crossover between the two shows. If you add succession boxes, which is fine, be sure to mention the programming block in the intro (or a seperate section for broadcasting if there's enough material) as well.--SB | T 20:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I've created a page on it. I'm working on translations of the Japanese page and trying to get others to help my with translations sop we can hopefully expand it it. I guess right now we should just add the succession boxes to the pages. Yaguruma 19:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Some of this is wrong. KR always came after SS beginning in 2000. Also why don't they commercial bumpers, ED credits for it?74.195.3.199 06:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another image concern

Recently, 83.23.219.94 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log) posted a ton of links to images on Kamen Rider Blade (also with a ton of edits--just look at that history). Normally, I'd remove them as being WP:FUC violations, but I noticed one thing: these images are all external links. I'm fairly sure this isn't allowed, but I figured I'd bring it here before reverting it all. jgp ^T_C 19:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted it; external links should be either references or informative in such a way that encyclopedia articles cannot be or should not be, preferrably the former. Since, as you say, were these images to be uploaded and hosted on Wikipedia, they would be copyright violations, and because they provide no new content nor verification (at least, none that isn't gained by citing the episodes and the series itself, which we are doing implictly) they shouldn't be linked to, and certainly not on such a grand scale.--SB | T 20:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parent projects

It seems to me that, to help with organization, this Project should probably be listed as a descendent of a few others, such as WP:JAPAN and WP:TV. What do you who are actually involved in it think? Since there's already a "Related Projects" spot, I'll add WP:ANIME there, since the two fields do associate quite a bit and occasionally overlap. --Masamage 22:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, no one here is really involved with either of the other two projects, but we could use the assistance from higher up projects (occasionally, I end up bugging Japanese Wikipedians to help me translate something, when WP:ANIME or WP:JAPAN might be of better help). However, there's a film WikiProject, too, isn't there? They've "laid claim" on the Godzilla articles until we can get a template (with cool icon) up and running.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think you have to be involved, per se. Far as I can tell, the "parent" term is just used for organizational purposes. That way, you can also downlink from those projects, and attract help from those who might be involved with this if they only knew about it. :) Also, what kind of icon were you thinking for the template? Would a crop of the cosplayer on your front page work? If so, I could whip one up for you. (Ulterior motive: then I could slap it up on PGSM's talk page. ^^) --Masamage 22:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Because I had a moment, I did indeed whip one up. Feel free to edit mercilessly, delete the image in favor of another, or whatever your heart desires. ^_^ (It currently uses categories that don't exist; standard WikiProject procedure is to make those, but again, you can change that all around if you like.) --Masamage 23:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have been working on something, but I need the permission of an artist to utilize the template that I modified first :/ It's essentially a Super Sentai helmet with a W for the visor.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Awesome. --Masamage 00:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan names

I'm uncertain of the status of Kamen Rider (Skyrider). If Skyrider is just a fan-made name, we should not be using it; we should be using official names. If this should be moved, I was thinking that we ought to move this to Kamen Rider (1979 TV show) or something like that, but I want some input. Hbdragon88 05:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Skyrider was the name of the Kamen Rider within that series. It's a decent disambiguation for the series. Signifying that it is not the original Kamen Rider or the franchise.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not a fan-made name — it's simply the name of the character (Eventually. He's called just "Kamen Rider" before episode 20) . The series is also sometimes called (mostly recently) New Kamen Rider, but the current title is more accurate. Perhaps we need a Kamen Rider (disambiguation) to clear up some confusion...--SB | T 06:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kamen Rider Dragon Knight

Surely this falls under American adaptions of tokusatsu works, does it not? The article needs serious cleaning up and expanding, along with more sources. The information itself however, seems to be credible. | Floria L 06:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

There be a thread that I alienated myself in at Rangerboard, and I gave a reference at Kamen Rider Ryuki relating to the series.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A little assistance

What is the correct romanization for Kamen Rider Den-O? Kamen Raidā Den-ō or Kamen Raidā Den'ō. | Floria L 20:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The logo for Kamen Rider Den-O implies that its name in English is "Masked Rider Den-O." The kanji are written in Hepburn romaji as "Kamen Raidā Den'ō" because the n is not part of the same syllable as the long ō. It would be written as "Kamen Rider Den'ou" per the other names, but as I said, it is implied that Electro-King (電王, Den'ō^?) is to be written as "Den-O." The same could be said for Kamen Rider 555 because it is implied that the 555 is to be read as "Φ's" (Phi's/Faizu).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Kamen Rider Kabuto

Congrats to Yaguruma for finally making a template that groups the countless pages of Kabuto together. However, compared to the Kamen Rider template, its kinda oversized. I'm not sure how boxes work, so does anyone know how to make it a bit more organized and smaller? Floria L 18:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll play around with it right now.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 18:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

And I'm done :)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 19:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, there's now a Ryuki template based on this one. jgp ^T_C 10:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh my. Why is there an article for every Rider in one Kamen Rider series? Can't these all be merged into one main "List of Riders in Kamen Rider Kabuto"? Hbdragon88 03:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Not everything needs to be merged. There is a List of Kamen Rider Kabuto characters but these pages are information about the riders, which are unique from one another.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you even bother reading them? If you tried to merge these pages, you'd end up with the mess you have a JA wikipedia. Enough said. Floria L 10:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I profess an ignorance of Kamen Rider. The only experience I have is watching the Saban adaptation of BLACK RX, where the Kamen Rider there is the lone man fighting the bad guy. But it appears to me that these Kamen Riders resemble Power Rangers-like characters, in which case I think it would be better to merge them together. The only reason why they're so damn long is because they are written from a pure in-universe perspective with much detail lavished on each separate relationship, episode, and characteristics. Too-detailed plot summiares can be considered a copyright violation, which is why I'm concerned. Hbdragon88 21:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Although copyright might be issue as you suggest, I highly doubt it as Naruto summaries are MUCH longer than what is written on these pages, and I don't think they've actually been sued before. However, merging still seems extremely unpractical due to the extensiveness of each Rider. They aren't a team or a squadron that works together, despite what you may think of them resembling Power Rangers. They each have an independent stories, and only interact for the sole basis of that. They may step over the line sometimes, but not to the extent to become Power Ranger-like characters. After the series ends next week, I'll go back and cut down on the massive amount of cruft in there. Merge on the other hand, would only create an extremely hard to read page that would be unorganized and overly large, with possible 50 or more headers. Power Rangers have much less extensive information that actually shows any character development, therefore having the short articles and capable of being merged together. Kamen Riders on the other hand each a unique set of statistics along with personally developed characters that don't actually receive many episodes in which they are there just to be wasted, like what often happens with PR. Floria L 23:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright, awesome, thanks for clarifying the differences in roles that Kamen Riders play in comparison. Not going to push for a merger now and I was only wondering about it. Hbdragon88 23:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation/Romanicization

Due to the whole thing with Juuken Sentai Gekiranger, and what should and should not be translated, we need to come up with a decent standard.

I personally think that (barring article titles, for now), Kanji/Hiragana should be translated into English and Katakana should be transliterated into English. If we know the translation, we should utilize it, until we get something official(ish) via DVD covers (tv asahi/Toei/Bandai uses "GoGo" and "Mahou" on DVD covers), official releases, or fansubbing (or aesthetics in the case where the fansubbed titles can be improved upon).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

A footnote to this is that in recent years, Kamen Rider series have used translated titles written in English, Kamen Rider 555 is "Masked Rider Φ's," Kamen Rider Ryuki is "Masked Rider Ryuki," Kamen Rider Agito is "Masked Rider AgitΩ," Kamen Rider Blade is "Masked Rider ♠" (read as "Blade"), and from Kamen Rider Den-O we see "Masked Rider Den-O". We really should use English or anglicized titles when they are provided.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Kamen is something thats obviously used in the community, and it would be quite disruptive if we translated that word. Obviously there's always been a tag at the end of the opening to denote a translation, but I don't really think a complete translation is necessary for words like Kamen. Floria L 23:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

There's the thing. Wikipedia has Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), and the Japanese sources use "Masked Rider" and whatnot, in English. Searching around tv asahi's Kabuto page shows that they call the transformed form of Souji Tendou "Masked Rider Kabuto."—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Technically, an argument can be made for either case. A lot of the Japanese writing has "Kamen" in Kanji and "Rider" in Katakana, so, technically, "Kamen Rider" would be the correct usage. On the other hand, the English on nearly every piece of merchandise calls them "MASKED RIDERS". BUT, that's in reference to the riders themselves. Maybe we should make a compromise and keep the titles as they are, but change the individual rider articles? I.e. Kamen Rider Kabuto, the page, stays the same, but the character page becomes Masked Rider Kabuto? Yaguruma 05:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

That would work. However, on other matters, I still feel that we should discuss the romanicization and translation factors. Gekiranger is full of half-translations and no-translations.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I still think changing them to say Masked Rider would be kind of confusing. They've been refered to as Kamen Riders as well as Masked Riders. Not really and issue here. Same reason Sentai isn't translated. Floria L 11:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, my reservations about the Geki article is that we seem to be using "Juuken" and "Narakudō" and others all over, when it can be translated.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 19:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Floria about the Kamen Rider problem. Regarding Gekiranger, I think "Juuken" and the other martial arts names can be translated with no problem. However, words like "Narakudō" are more ambiguous. The "Naraku" is, in lack of better words, the buddist "hell", which is certainly different to the christian, more known hell. It's the same problem that Infershia's (Magiranger) "mei" (冥), it can be translated as Hades, hell or underword. Filadelfo 20:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

"Naraku" being the Buddhist hell, then maybe it should not be translated. I would prefer that "Geki Juuken" and the like are translated. We need Fractyl to comment.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Naraku being the Zen-Buddhist term for Hell works, so does "Underworld" in relation to the undead warriors Lio has under his command. But "Geki Juuken" and other terms should not be translated all the time. Example: Gekijuuken Beast Arts (激獣拳ビーストアーツ, Gekijūken Bīsuto Ātsu?|Fierce Beast-Fist Beast Arts), —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fractyl (talk • contribs) 22:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Very interesting but so much to read.74.195.3.199 02:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kamen Rider Wiki

Hello. First I'd like to say that I think it's great that there's a Tokusatsu project now. I hope that a Tokusatsu page will make it to a featured article sometime soon. Anyway, I stumbled upon this page last night and noticed the request for a Kamen Rider equivalent of the Wikiranger. If no one is currently working on that I'd be happy to sketch something up for consideration. (Guyinblack25 16:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC))

An actual drawing of one would be a hell of a lot better than the premade templates that I used for the Wikiranger. If you could do the Kamen Rider equivalent, that'd be wonderful. However, if you drew both, I would be grateful.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. I assume you want the same design for the Wikiranger as the one that's already there. I'll sketch something out and get back to you. (Guyinblack25 23:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC))

Have you never heard of the midseries power up? :P Feel free to improve on the design. Just remember the GFDL (for the copyrighting of the finished work) and some other Wikipedia mascotty things. :)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of a basic character design. It's just a pencil drawing, so it didn't scan too well. I didn't have time to ink it or touch it up before I could scan it (I don't have a scanner at home). Just thought I'd show it to everyone to at least get some feedback. Am I going in the right direction, wrong direction, anything missing, anything to add on, is it going terribly wrong and you regret asking? You know, what ever thoughts/feedback you may have. Also what is it going to be called, "Wikirider" or "Kamen Rider Wiki"? (Guyinblack25 05:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC))

I'd prefer "Kamen Rider Wiki," and I'll find others to comment on it. It looks good so far.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree with that...it goes better with KR than "Wikirider". jgpTC 06:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, actually, I'd think that he'd be a bit more identifiable if he contained some aspects of some of the newer Riders, such as those from the third gen, Ryuki, Blade, Agito, Kuuga, Kabuto, Den-O (not Hibiki, though)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 10:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ouch. Hibiki hate. :( Looks nice. Floria L 16:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hibiki did not look like a classical Kamen Rider; no bug eyes.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here's an updated version, I tried mixing and matching various different 3rd gen Riders. Personally, I'm a bit split on it. Part of me likes it and part of thinks a giant pencil monster ate a bunch of Riders and vomited them all up into one. I'm leaning towards using a light blue for the eyes and a dark blue, like Wikipe-tan, for armour. Still not sure whether to use grey, black or white for the suit. I'm also still trying to figure out how to design the legs. So feedback, comments, likes, dislikes, it would all be appreciated? (Guyinblack25 15:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC))

Here's a small color test of the second sketch. I only used the base colors and have not added any shading, highlights, or texture. I wanted to see if this is acceptable for everybody and get feedback before I go ahead with the current design. So any feedback, negative or positive, is appreciated so that this drawing is representative of the Kamen Riders. (Guyinblack25 18:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC))

Sorry, I've been busy for a while.

Anway, I think it looks nice. And as an after thought, I think that a scarf would look good (to tie in with the older riders). I was just looking for a mix of both past and present. :)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here's the third sketch, I went back to the separate bug eyes, and added the scarf back. A few minor changes here and there too. I changed how the henshin belt looks and am still a bit undecided about the legs. I'm trying to incorporate a bit of Wikipedia's theme too, so let me know what you think? And as always, please be honest and any ideas you got I'd like to hear them. (Guyinblack25 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC))

I like the puzzle piece belt. :) It really fits in with the Wikipedia theme. I'm not sure about the omega, though. But we do need to find another symmetrical letter used as part of the Wikipedia logo. Also, Omega is taken by another Kamen Rider :/—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

What about the "Й"? Also which puzzle piece belt, the one with a single line of pieces on the rider, or the one with two lines of pieces on the close up of the belt? Also what do you think about removing the shoulder guards and adding knee guards. Any other feedback or ideas? Also what does everyone think about the Wikiranger below? Also, it appears I use "also" too much. (Guyinblack25 22:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC))

That letter looks cool. And I like the close up line of the double lines, it looks more like a jigsaw puzzle. The shoulder guards are rare among any of the Kamen Riders, and with the higher levels of Metal Heroes references making the armor more mechanical and what not, meaning knee...joint things would make it more like the actual ones.

The Wikiranger is good, as there's usually a lot less detail in suits for the necessity that they're a team, and the costumes be easy to have very few alterations on. I trust your artistic skills (and license) on both of these :)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiranger

OK, here's a sketch of Wikiranger. Personally, I don't like the helmet, it didn't turn out how I was imagining it. I'm definitely planning on redoing that, but feedback/suggestions on what everyone else would like to see are welcome. Like if there are specific ranger costumes or parts of those costume that you like. I'm working on a second, much more polished sketch of Kamen Rider Wiki, and will follow up with the Wikiranger. Just to clarify, I assume the color schemes for both the Rider and Ranger will be Grey/Silver & White. I was think of possibly making it Grey/Silver & Black for the Rider. Anyway, any feedback and/or comments are appreciated. (Guyinblack25 21:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC))

Well, for colors, we only have one individual to compare against, Wikipe-tan. There's black, silver, grey, white, and blue (for some unknown reason). However, there's not much we can also pick out of the different skins (Wikipedia sure is blandly designed :/). And again, use your artistic skills to base the design on.

I wasn't that good in PaintShopPro when I did this.

And the base is just a template that I had to go through the GFDL red tape to get :/ And my design is a bit crappy/not smooth.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I've been a bit busy, here's another idea for the Wikiranger redesign. Feedback is appreciated as I want this to be a reflection of what everyone envisions the Wikiranger should look like. Also since I didn't get any feedback on the 2nd Kamen Rider Wiki design I started working on it some in Photoshop. I'll try to upload some versions with different color schemes to see what people think. (Guyinblack25 21:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC))

Quick question, does anybody care if there's a "henshin" device for the Wikiranger? If so, I can try to work that into the design too. Any thoughts/ideas? (Guyinblack25 02:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Gekiranger

I think Geki & Rinki should be as they are, maybe the Gekijuuken Beast Arts and the Rinjuuken Akugata as well, with the same translation explainations as Gekitohja.—Fractyl (Fractyl)

But it's Kanji that we know the English meaning of. "GekiTohja" is written in katakana and has meaning from kanji. There is no reason to leave kanji as romaji when there is a translation that we know of. Things like "激獣拳" have known translations. Whereas something like "ゲキワザ" is left as it is. If it was written as "激気技" then it'd be translated.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I get that it should translated, but like in "name/puns", like we did with the likes of Daizyujin, which was written in kanji, & many of the mecha seen in shows like Abarenger. the energy the Gekirangers draw from, Geki, is really a double pun as it is translated as "Fierce Spirit", but it also pun on 'Fierce' alone, "Geki". And Ki is the japanese term for "Chi", the energy harnessed in martial arts. And for "Rinki" to match up with Geki. —Fractyl (Fractyl)

Well, I made it so "Geki" is "Fierce Spirit." There are times when it's good to translate and those when it's not. And why is it that your posts aren't time stamped?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess, but I still prefer using terms like Gekijuuken. As for the time stamp, no idea.—Fractyl (Fractyl)

[edit] Kamen Rider (franchise)

Would it not be better for the Kamen Rider (franchise) page to have the article name of Kamen Rider instead? --Aaru Bui ^DII 16:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

No... Because there's already the page, Kamen Rider, for the first series. That series came before the franchise was actually created, so it is the one that doesn't need an disabmiguation. Kamen Rider (skyrider) and Kamen Rider (franchise) share the same name, but they essentially came after. KR isn't like SS, being that it has no logo. :( Floria L 19:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Japanese Wikipedia has the page as "Kamen Rider Series," but we can't really move it to Kamen Rider as that was the first series, which was later followed by another series called "Kamen Rider" that is more commonly called "Skyrider" because of the main character, while there has not been a single program called "Super Sentai" or "Metal Hero" (the Ultra Series is another issue).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Which came first was never the way to determine which article gets a name. It has always been the most common usage of the term. --Aaru Bui ^DII 23:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

That would be Kamen Rider in 1971. Followed by the the franchise when V3 and X came out, and then Skyrider in 1979.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sentai article renames

[edit] Assistance over Plot Hole matters at KRK

Seems user Teram10 is determined to add in a section about plotholes, even though that is neither encyclopedic or attributable. I tried explaining, but it doesn't seem to be working. :S Any advice? He seems to interpret WP:TRIVIA, in that, all information he deems silly is trivia. Especially the part about the Rider Kick. Having Rider Kick is trivia? Floria L 18:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I will discuss it with him.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 18:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geki Wazas

Just got your message, but you should consider keep GekiWazas mostly untranslated around the "word-word" area. It seems to go in hand with Jan's manner of speaking. Fractyl (Fractyl)

But we know that Hō is Cannon :/—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

True, but it's "Hō-Hō" and the attack really has nothing do with a "cannon", just a standard "aura projection" attack. Ten-Ten Dan (Intent on finding a batter english term for "Dan") sorta counts as GekiJaguar does spin in this move. As for "Kyaku", it seemed more of romanized "kick". As for Gekitohja's Big Gan-Gan Fist, it's not really a "punch attack" from my perspective. Fractyl (Fractyl)