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[edit] Morals

Due to the increasing emphasis on morals at the end of South Park episodes, would it be a good idea to include the 'moral of the story' in the episode description? Just an idea I had.
--Naylor182 19:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of One-Off Characters

The page has been created. Please help by adding to it, but keep to the format.
Danke,
--Naylor182 15:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I've done some cleanup of the to-do list on the project page; many of the characters there have now been listed on the minor character and one-off character lists. Captain Infinity 20:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling and Grammar

I have seen a plethora of South Park articles that have absolutely dire grammar and/or spelling. Some sentences aren't technically even sentences. This is a major issue. The grammar and spelling of an article is pivotal to the presentation.

Can I ask two things:
1) If you are bad at spelling, don't guess. Look up the word.
2) Can people help me with reforming the standard of spelling and grammar in the SP pages?

Cheers,
--Naylor182 14:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalising for Season 10

I think we need to put a vandal proof on the List of South Park episodes page. Various occurances of vandalism has come to my attention such as a fake post about an episode called "Cartmanacopedia" in which Cartman discovers Wikipedia. It was soon removed though. To keep this article from confusing people we should give it vandal proof. Mr. Garrison 18:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I think there will be enough people watching this (not to mention the WP:RC patrol) that it's not necessary just yet. If it starts actually happening, then. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to vandal-proof every page and make people (a) register and (b) clear new information with other editors, but that's not the spirit of the 'pedia. -- dakern74 (talk) 00:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Songs

I noticed there are two articles, one called List of South Park songs and another called List of songs featured on South Park. It appears the first one is "original" material (although it seems excessive to me) and the second one is a list of "real" songs that were either played or mentioned in an episode (like, famously, "Come Sail Away"). Seems like these two lists could be merged somehow. -- dakern74 (talk) 00:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


Yeah, I would say to merge the first into the second, but with a heading that sets it off from the rest. They are two totally different things, sure, but I agree that they can fall into the same article as songs of South Park. ~greenodonata

[edit] List of Minor Characters

I have just made a page for Minor Characters in South Park and I think we should merge some articles into it such as Crab People, The Harrisons, God, Scott Tenorman, Ms. Claridge etc. If anyone agrees with me please reply here. Mr. Garrison (talk • contribs)

Agree completely. I also don't think some of the characters that were taken from other series, or from real life, need their own section. Bart Simpson, Saddam Hussein, God, Satan, and a few others, are not unique to SP, they were just fictionalized and animated for series purposes. Along that logic, you'd have to add every celebrity that was ever skewered (Tom Cruise, Barbra Streisand, Kathie Lee Gifford, there could be dozens). I think we should stick to just the fictional characters that were created solely for the series. Thoughts? -- dakern74 (talk) 00:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I do not think that Satan, Saddam Hussein and God should be merged as they have appeared in more than one episode and have had significant roles (especially Satan and Saddam Hussein). However, characters appearing in just one episode who are not original to South Park (like Bart Simpson) should be merged.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atomic1609 (talk • contribs) .
I think that all minor characters should be merged, even if they've been in more than one episode, per WP:FICT. -- Ned Scott 01:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree, all minor characters should be in the article. A few appearances certainly isn't enough for an article. If (or) when the character appears on a regular basis, then make the article for it. RobJ1981 04:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
We should merge characters in if they have had less than 4 appearences, not including cameos like God in A Ladder to Heaven. If they've been in four or more episodes then they deserve their own article. Scott Tenorman by the way DOESN'T need an article. When I first joined Wikipedia himself and the Christine Aguilerra Monster from Timmy 2000 had their own pages. We don't need Scott Tenorman.

Mr. Garrison 22:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Also people are adding many characters all the time, to be a minor character they should have appeared either 2 or 3 times. 1 appearence makes them a ONE-OFF CHARACTER.


See my addition on the talk page of Minor Characters in South Park. Let me know what you think. --Naylor182 13:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I've done some cleanup of the to-do list on the project page; many of the characters there have now been listed on the minor character and one-off character lists. Captain Infinity 20:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Issue with trivia on many South Park pages

Way too much trivia, makes the articles look bad. Put important information in the article itself (not in notes, trivia, goofs, culture references, etc), and keep unimportant things off. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan's guide to every little note or mistake. Episode articles seem to be the most common place to find too much trivia, but it happens on other South Park articles as well. Trivia sections don't always need to be removed, but try to keep it small: between 1 and 4 items is acceptable, in my opinion. Remember: important things, not non-notable things. RobJ1981 04:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, personally what is the point of adding goofs and notes. If we're South Park fans why do we want to bring up mistakes and ruin the appearence on articles with notes and all that. I think 6-8 trivial facts are enough. If there are very important ones put them on the article's talk page. If agreed with it can be added.

[edit] Improving articles

Congratulations to everyone who contributed towards Trapped in the Closet (South Park), which now has good article status. However, the main article about South Park really does need improving, given that it is one of the 50 most visited articles on Wikipedia, and it has been tagged as an article requiring cleanup since last month. Here are a list of suggestions towards improving it towards good and eventually featured article status:

Cite sources when analysing episodes, as Wikipedia is not the place for original research.

Follow the style of other television show articles that have good and featured article status.

Integrate trivia into the article where possible.

Add any more suggestions if possible.

Atomic1609 15:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

  • User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
  • User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
  • User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 23:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character pages

This is getting out of hand. People are freely deleting articles and merging them when they don't need it. Some characters don't even have the character template on their page and all articles need to have the South Park characters template so other articles can be linked. I'm also having a hard time finding out who voices who for:

  • The 6th Graders
  • Bertha
  • Sally
  • Heidi

and many more. If you know could you please say.

If you mean me, I was just merging what was on the to be merged list and some others with the same importance as those. I don't think I merged any that were important. Nemu 03:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, good job tidying it all up Nemu.


[edit] Voices of Characters

Below are all the character pages. Please help me by filling them in because I really am stuck on some.

  • Stan- Trey Parker
  • Kyle- Matt Stone
  • Cartman- Trey Parker
  • Kenny- Matt Stone
  • Butters- Matt Stone
  • Tweek- Matt Stone
  • Mrs. Garrison- Trey Parker
  • Mr. Mackey- Trey Parker
  • Craig- Trey Parker
  • Clyde- Trey Parker
  • Wendy- ?
  • Bebe- Jennifer Howell
  • Jesus- Matt Stone
  • City Wok Guy- Trey Parker
  • Officer Barbrady- Trey Parker
  • Sergeant Yates- Trey Parker
  • Principal Victoria- ?
  • The 6th Graders- ?
  • Heidi- ?
  • Kevin- ?
  • Kindergarteners- ?
  • Saddam Hussein- Matt Stone
  • Satan- Trey Parker
  • Mr. Slave- John "Nancy" Hansen
  • Token- Adrien Beard
  • Mr. Tweek- ?
  • Mrs. Tweek- ?
  • Randy Marsh- Trey Parker
  • Sharon Marsh- ?
  • Liane Cartman- April Stewart
  • Dr. Mephisto- ?
  • Dr. Doctor- ? and George Clooney
  • Goth Kids- ?
  • Mayor McDaniels- ?
  • Chef- Isaac Hayes
  • Jimbo Kern- Matt Stone
  • Ned Gerblansky- Trey Parker
  • Mr. McCormick- ?
  • Mrs. McCormick- ?
  • Stephen Stotch- Trey Parker
  • Lynda Stotch- ?
  • Nurse Gollum- ?
  • Sally/Powder- ?
  • Bertha/Red- ?

[edit] Character page format

I noticed that none of the pages share the same format, so I was thinking there should probably be one. I was thinking it would be something like I did to Ike's page. The personality section would have subsections if they're relevant such as Satan's relationships section could be under it. Then the accomplishments section would replace the mention of every single episode as that seems unencyclopedic. Thoughts? Nemu 19:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

  • You're very right about that, the character pages have been bothering me for ages, pages like Ms. Cartman need lengthening. Not just mentioning appearences. My idea for page layout is:

--introduction--

(who is character?)

(voiced by?)

--character traits--

(appearence?)

(behaviour?)

(personality?)

--family/friends--

(links to other relatives with brief description of them)

--career/lifestyle--

(any hobbies?)

(job? has job been relevant in episodes?)

--important points of their life--

(major points in episodes, such as Cartman's Mom is Still a Dirty Slut for Ms. Cartman)

(goals in life?)

--appearences--

(what episodes? brief description)

--trivia--

(important facts)


Introduction would be the opening, so that's already taken care of. Character traits could have appearance and personality subsections. If the character has enough info for it, that's where the relationships could also be. The problem with separting their life and their actions is that some lack certain parts, so it would be better to combine them. Appearances really doesn't need to be there because if the appearance wasn't important enough to be mentioned in their actions, it's pointless. Trivia sections are also pointless because if the info isn't important enough to be put anywhere else, it shouldn't be mentioned. Nemu 23:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
i've updated the ms. cartman page but it needs trivia.

--Naylor182 14:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Park portal

I have started work on a portal for South Park. Feel free to contribute. Atomic1609 14:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is the South Park portal if you would like to help. Atomic1609 16:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, someone's nominated this portal for a proposed delete (not me!). Thought you might want to know. –Little Miss Might Be Wrong 04:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I have now nominated the portal for deletion. Atomic1609 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

A ton of articles require cleanup. [List of minor characters on South Park]] has no lead, and is written from an in-universe style. South Park families should be moved to List of families of South Park per WP:MOS-T. Several other articles are written from an informal tone, witch isn't encyclopedic etc. We should address this ASAP. -- Selmo (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment and Importance

It is important to assess all articles relating to South Park in terms of their quality. Also, could someone expand the template to include the importance of the article within South Park. I have tried and failed on several occassions. This would be very helpful as we need to identify which articles need improving the most as well as the most important articles. Thanks. Atomic1609 16:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I've finally added an importance assessment parameter to the banner. -- Selmo (talk) 03:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Now that this has been done, I feel that we should get on with assessing the articles based on their quality and their importance within South Park. We need to have a discussion over how 'important' articles before this can be done effectively. At the moment, the 'Top-importance' articles/lists are South Park, List of South Park episodes and South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut. I propose that the main characters should be top-importance, as well as the creator bios. I also propose that articles about episodes should in general be mid-importance. Any additions to this debate would be welcome. Atomic1609 19:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

I just wanted to say thanks for doing this. I've been trying to correct Stan's article(When it came to heritage and veganism, I posted in the discusdsion.)

[edit] Character Pages

Just thought I'd explain to everyone that I've split the character lists up to families, townsfolk, school staff, school students, occasional characters and I've kept the minors.

[edit] Kenny so called lyrics

I've have to remove 3 examples of these and i've very very minor interesting in south park . User of this project should be keeping a very active eye out for this (Gnevin 18:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

The source for this is http://spscriptorium.com/SPinfo/OCsecrets.htm, which cites an online chat with Trey Parker. That site appears to be pretty credible. --MutantMonkey (talk | work) 01:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Thats one fan site Wikipedia:Verifiability and WP:Cite require more (Gnevin 12:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC))
The official site has this FAQ entry for seasons 1-5, I'll see if I can find something on the official site for season 7 onwards --MutantMonkey (talk | work) 02:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Thats more like it readd if you wish(Gnevin 15:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC))
Ah, found season 7+, no official word on the current one, though. I'll go ahead and readd those. --MutantMonkey (talk | work) 03:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Open tasks: List of minor characters

All of the character links proposed for merging with the List of minor characters now redirect to the aforementioned List. Should this task therefore be deleted? Samurai V 13:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. Captain Infinity 20:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Created Images of Characters

Hey there, would it be a wise idea to use created characters from the "Create your own South Park Character" game at southparkstudios.com to put up some clearer images of characters for their pages? For example, here's Stan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:StanSP.png

Not 100% sure about the copyright requirements and stuff, but if it's okay to do I guess anyone can do the rest. So yeah, thoughts? :) Goroliath

[edit] AfD

The article Homes in South Park is up for deletion. It's the first time I saw this article, and I probably would have nominated it myself. This whole project seems to be pure fancruft, now that I really think of it. -- Selmo (talk) 17:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The project is NOT fancruft, it is an attempt to tidy up South Park's articles. If you don't like the idea of the project then don't be a member.
Ok, sorry. I'm only doing what I feel is the best for South Park and Wikipedia. -- Selmo (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
For someone who wishes to be a Wikipedia administrator, you do not show much professionalism. Learn to be less abrasive, please. --Naylor182 00:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] South Park Episode List

I'm giving each season it's own article just like the Simpsons. Please do not create articles for seasons that haven't been made, I'm up to season five. Please do not add an article for season 6, season 7, season 8, season 9, season 10 because I have done them on my own specific format.

  • Mr. Garrison 20:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Is an individual page for each season really necessary? The South Park eps page is very good (it's an FL after all) and if your going to make individual pages, I don't think that they should just be copy and paste versions of the big list. So, if we're going to have individual seasons, we should get rid of the summaries, etc on the main episode page and make it similar to the List of episodes of The Simpsons. -- Scorpion 14:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Exactly! This is what I've been trying to say......we seem to copy everything off Simpsons pages you know!

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

This has little to do with this project. --Naylor182 19:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CFD notice

The related Category:South Park actors has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for Discussion page.

Please also note Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 20 for a review of the decision regarding Category:Actors by series. Tim! 08:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Why was this deleted may I ask? It's quite a good idea for a category and I'm sure that the page's creator and many others would agree. Mr. Garrison (talk • contribs)

[edit] Season 11

Just a word of warning, keep an eye out for vandalism and misleading information on the episode page about season 11 eps. I found "Return of Darth Chef". Just a reminder, season 11 starts March 7th! *Mr. GaRRiSoN 23:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Someone has been adding "past South Park character" to some characters who haven't appeared for quite a time. I'd like to know, how is a "past character" defined? I mean, calling them "past" is a little bit over the top, but not calling them so is crystallballing, as it predicts they are sure to return. But, then again, we would then have to include "past" to every secondary or reccuring character after each apisode in which they weren't featured, and that is quite irrational.--Orthologist 17:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

"Past" shouldn't be used at all - they are either a character or they aren't. Writing about fiction guidelines say that fictional events should be written from a present tense perspective, since they "come alive" whenever the fiction is read or watched. CovenantD 20:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Butters

While I took alot of time to cleanup and condense Butters' main article, could some of you help me cite the sources so we can get this article a good rating. Thrawny 17:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] replacing Infobox South Park episode

In the process of attempting to limit the amount of Series-specific episode infoboxes, I have now landed at South Park :D. Replacing all usages of this template by hand is just an enormous task. I'm considering replacing the current contents with the template with User:TheDJ/SandboxTemplate3. On article pages you will then end up with this (see box at the bottom). After this a bot can subst: all the transclusions of the template without breaking the box. You will end up with a less then optimal subst: result See this diff, but it doesn't interfere with the functionality of the infobox, and it saves a whole lot of work. Opinions please ? --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 12:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I like it, it's very clean and looks easy to edit if necessary. Captain Infinity 14:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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