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[edit] Homosexual, Heterosexual, Bisexual, Nonheterosexual, and Sexual

Should there be an articles on Sexual X, Homosexual X, Bisexual X, Heterosexual X, and Nonheterosexual X? Disregarding, for the moment, the debate as to whether Homosexual X should be Gay X, Gay sexual X, or Same-gender sexual X, instead see: Terminology.

  • Articles on Sexual X adequately deal with both Heterosexual X and Homosexual X.
  • Except that articles on Sexual X are often simply articles on Heterosexual X, so Homosexual X provides the rest of the story of Sexual X.
  • However, its POV and inaccurate to say X is only Heterosexual X, and Homosexual X does not cover the entire rest of the story of Sexual X as anything outside of the hetero vs homo dichotomy is unwritten (Bisexual X etc).
  • But the articles on Sexual X, Heterosexual X, and Homosexual X often contain redundant information that could more concisely be covered at what may be a stub Sexual X

[edit] Proposals

[edit] Wikipedia should not have any articles titled Homosexual X, Heterosexual X or their variants

All applicable content may be added to Sexual X.

[edit] Wikipedia should include articles title Homosexual X, Heterosexual X, and Sexual X or their appropriate variants

Homosexual X and Heterosexual X complement each other and anything not covered (and possibly applicable to both) may be added to Sexual X. If both Homosexual X and Heterosexual X are brief, their content may be merged into Sexual X until such day as the content requires them to be split.

  • Aye. Hyacinth 11:11, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Agreed (providing that bisexual is also a cat., see talk for more) Lestatdelc 15:15, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Agreed, provided this is for articles that are particularly or specifically or exlusively about homosexual, er, X. Gay bathhouse, for example, is an appropriate title because the content is specific to gay bathhouses, which are very different from non-gay ones. Homosexual sex, on the other hand, is just silly because the most it can ever be is a list or a repetition of the inevitable articles on all forms of non-homosexual sex. Exploding Boy 15:22, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment I concur, that was basically what I was saying in the talk entry about this, that bisexual should also be a category as well, but all such entries for any of these categories should be carefully used (as well as the terminology) within well considered contextual usage so as to not be inaccurately exclusionary by using the wrong term. Lestatdelc 15:45, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment It seems that you are disagreeing, or it may be you're obsessing over a very specific example. See talk. Hyacinth 19:49, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Agreed. -Seth Mahoney 19:24, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Belatedly agreed, especially with what User:Exploding Boy wrote. — OwenBlacker 00:07, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Although it's difficult for me at least to see where heterosexual X would frequently occur as a separate category from X, I can certainly see the benefit of having separate discussions & articles on Gay, Bi, Les, Trans, & the rest of the rainbow. - Jowfair 6 August 2005

Any such schema proposed above has to take into account bisexuals and bisexuality. Both as behavior, and sexual identity. Rather late at the moment, so will have to think on this before more formed commentary can be made. Lestatdelc 04:48, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

I would suggest that the proposals also include the bisexual and the contextual usage of "non-heterosexual" when referring to both homosexual (male and female) and bisexual criterion. Lestatdelc 15:26, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

I realize this discussion and the proposals are biased themselves, but I'm not sure how to discuss choosing terms without reference to what they refer to, and to mention that one must choose a term...Hyacinth 19:53, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

User:Exploding Boy, can you give examples of Homosexual X, unlike Gay sex, that you would be okay with? Hyacinth 19:53, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Gay bathhouse, Gay pride parade, Gay nightclub, among others. Exploding Boy 22:22, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC)

Regarding terms like Homosexual X and Heterosexual X: Most of the time you seem to be thinking about Gay X and Lesbian X, which is no problem from the point of view I wanted to point out - however, the words homosexual and heterosexual are a bit of a problem when it comes to transgendered people. The moment a transgender person consideres themselves not just "male" or "female", which many do, most other people become "hetero-". Which means that a transman who is in a relationship with a cisgendered man will be in a gay, heterosexual relationship.
I just wanted to mention it now, while not much is being written, will probably save me changing pages later ;-)
Your project seems to be a good idea, BTW, if I weren't so busy on the German WP, I'd probably join. -- AlexR 15:11, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I added the context bar because reading down the main page, it was all in shorthand and jargon. If it's perfectly comprehensible to everyone else, that's great, but aside from clicking over to this discussion, I couldn't understand what issues were under discussion, how they were to be dealt with, etc. - Jowfair

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