Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants/Archive7

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Archives for WP:PLANTS		edit

1	2004-10 – 2005-07	Ericales; example article; Orders; food/poison; plant stubs; monotypic genus redirects; cacti; Carex
2	2005-07 – 2005-11	Acer; peer review requests; common names; headers; WikiProject Fungi proposal; stub proposals
3	2005-11 – 2006-01	Hyphenated species names; common names; article titles; tropical fruits
4	2006-01 – 2006-03	silver leaf tree; flower resource; article content/taxonomy; Poa; Wikipedia 1.0 Project
5	2006-03 – 2006-05	APGII; template botanist; flora article; article titles; common names; synonyms
6	2006-05	Plant article naming conventions; common names; categories; NPOV
7	2006-05 – 2006-06	lists/categories; Cornus; tomatoes; Horticulture and Gardening WikiProject; FA candidates; hortibox; range maps; Trifolium
8	2006-06-28	userbox; project banner; plant infobox; naming conventions
9	2006-06-28 – 2006-06-29	Taxoboxes for flowering plants; APGII
10	2006-06 – 2006-07	Original research; taxoboxes; APGII; italics
11	2006-07	interwiki cleanup for moss; illustrations of plant articles
12	2006-07 – 2006-11	Maples; citrus; photos; flora common name convention; capitalization; Vinca minor
13	2006-11 – 2007-01	Biographies needed; common names; APG and taxoboxes; species templates; image quality; microformat

1 Working on a plant list... but maybe a category will be better?
2 Botanist template: Edit request
3 Canadian Dwarf Cornel?
4 A mess of tomatoes...
5 New project, and a wikibook
6 Candidates for Featured Articles anyone?
7 Really odd category needs cleanup...
8 User:Brya RFC
9 Please help with a template!
10 Range maps
11 Mislabelled trifolium?

[edit] Working on a plant list... but maybe a category will be better?

Just started a List of plants with burrs, but I'm wondering if maybe this should be a cat instead? Maybe both? The categories of course make it easier to get to the other members from any page, but a list can be annotated. SB Johnny 16:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be a Burr (botany). The current Burr is a disambiguation page. And a List of plants with burrs isn't very useful without a clear explanation of what a burr is.

And will we have a List of plants with samaras or a List of plants with berries? I can see a value to these, but they will be hard to maintain, and, like burrs, subject to botanical disagreement (a banana fits the definition of pepo, but since it isn't in the Cucurbitaceae, it is usually called a berry)--Curtis Clark 17:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

True enough. Actually, some of the plants I put on maybe aren't true burrs (or maybe they are, I don't know the strict definition in any case. Might be better to call it list of plants with seeds that stick to clothing or some other mouthful.

A list of plants with samaras, hard nuts, etc., might also be useful for the same reason, namely to function as a "key" for users wanting to look up a plant. SB Johnny 17:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Was just looking things over at Identification keys... curious to hear opinions on making keys on wp?SB Johnny 18:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't help with the botanical issues, but I've come to think recently that a dual approach is best (list and category). In essence, I find that I tend to use categories from one article to find similar concepts (a bottom-up approach I guess), whilst lists I tend to use to find members of a similarity that I am already aware of (top-down). I think we need both for proper useful bidirectional referencing. — Es tarriol ^talk 21:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thinking about this again (while pulling burrs off my socks and dog), berhaps just a category "Plants with sticky seeds"? SB Johnny 12:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

As a heads up, I have merged and redirected the list to a new stub split from Burr: Burr (fruit). Circeus 01:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Botanist template: Edit request

Please see Template talk:Botanist if you know how to edit templates - thanks, MPF 00:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian Dwarf Cornel?

Just a quick question--what sources use the term Canadian Dwarf Cornel for Cornus canadensis?? I have never seen this term used (except here). In Canada, all sources I've ever seen refer to it as "Canada bunchberry" or simply "bunchberry." Perhaps one (or both) are local vernacular names. Help in solving this question is greatly appreciated. --chris 19:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Sander's The Flower Garden (sixth edition, 1935), published in London, UK, gives the common name as "Dwarf Cornel". I suppose "Canadian" has been added to distinguish it from the Eurasian Dwarf Cornel Cornus suecica, not mentioned in the book.--Melburnian 09:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It didn't take long with google to find plenty of pages showing that both C. canadensis and C. suecica are both sometimes called bunchberry, and both sometimes called dwarf cornel - not surprising, as the two are very similar to each other. They are both titled at their scientific names now - MPF 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

That works! --chris 16:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A mess of tomatoes...

Pretty confused there: Lycopersicon (the old name for a few species of Solanum) currently redirects to Tomato (as in garden tomato, missing currant tomato, and leaving cherry tomato out of the loop). Probably will just go ahead and make Lycopersicon a disambig, then add redirects from the old species names. I'll also add categories to the redirects, following my sense of the conversation above.

My question is, why is the category "Solanales" rather than Solanaceae? Should I just create the category and re-tag members of the family to the new category? SB Johnny 12:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh I should add that there is at least one other old member of the genus... see this [USDA database page]. SB Johnny 12:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The main reason that the article is in an order catis that, for the most part, plants were never broken down to the family levels. Part of the reason is that fewer plant articles exist than animal ones. Feel free to break these categories Circeus 12:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Will do then. But what's the general feeling about putting category tags on redirects from now-defunct genera/species? SB Johnny 14:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Probably not a good idea. If it is a legit genus, there's nothing saying you can'texpand it back into an article, though. Circeus 14:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Something like this will be OK then? SB Johnny 14:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I've made some edits to the Lycopersicon dab page to make it more precise.--Curtis Clark 15:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New project, and a wikibook

First, just wanted to announce the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Horticulture_and_Gardening, which was started a while ago, but I was not aware of the Plants project at the time, so didn't announce it.

I've created a new wikibook called A Wikimanual of Gardening on our sister site, in the hopes of clearing up the "how-to" problems involved with many of the plant and garden pages. I will watch this book and try to keep on top of it, but help would be greatly appreciated. For information on transwiking to this book, please see the chapter Chapter on transwiking. The goal is to preserve "how-to" information from plant articles, while avoiding "dumping" of book fragments (wikibookians don't like that). SB Johnny 17:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Candidates for Featured Articles anyone?

Getting used to this. Trying to spruce up Banksia page Cas Liber 02:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I've put a lot of work lately into Drosera, Pinguicula, and the recently completed Sarracenia. The page on Carnivorous plants is also looking pretty good, as is Nepenthes rajah (although this one is a bit long... might want to ask the authors what their plans are for this page, as it is continually being improved (minor changes, mostly)). --NoahElhardt 01:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Drosera is starting to look really good (might try to give constructive feedback there later) Cas Liber 21:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Really odd category needs cleanup...

Please see Category_talk:Caryophyllales (I forget how to link to the cat without having this page come up on it). There are genera listed as subcategories to the order, while families are listed as simple pages. I'll try to work on it, but it looks like a big job. SB Johnny 10:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Brya RFC

You might want to know that a RFC has been opened regarding User:Brya's POVediting, MoS violation and general attitude at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Brya. Circeus 15:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help with a template!

I'd like to create a "hortibox" template (similar to the taxobox) with information about growing conditions for cultivated plants (see comments here for details). I went to the template for the taxobox and found a warning saying it was quite complicated, so decided I'd better ask for help from more compitent hands. SB Johnny 16:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Range maps

I've found a large public domain repository of North American plant range maps from USGS [1]. These might be worth uploading, especially those plants with wide ranges. I've already uploaded and inserted some of the Abies range maps into the articles. SCHZMO ✍ 12:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)