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[edit] Welcome

As you should hopefully know, there has been discussion of this merger for quite some time now. In any case, welcome to the New WikiProject Pharmacology, which is a merged WikiProject Drugs and WikiProject Pharmacology. The purpose of this merge was to enhance each WikiProject; WP Drugs gets the benefit of a wider scope and an article scale system in place, whereas WP Pharm gets the benefit of more members and more structure for work. All members of WikiProject Drugs are now members of WikiProject Pharmacology. While all the pages are now under the new name of WikiProject Pharmacology, not all the text may be. Please make corrections as you see pages that need to be updated. I know the categorization and templates need to be updated; I will handle that myself. If you have any questions, I would like to hear them. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 17:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Good work, MessedRocker - looks great! :) I've taken the liberty to update the project userbox information and to move it from {{User Drugs}} to {{User WikiProject Pharmacology}} which is also more WikiProject compliant. I already de-redirected everyone's userpage - Alison✍ 00:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! Luckily, the merger was easy since nothing overlapped. Anyways, I'll get the bot to tag some articles for WikiProject Pharmacology, and we can all take a field day and assess the hell out of them! :) —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 00:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Kewl! Bring 'em on :) I've also created the shortcut WP:WPPH which is also a little more WikiProject compliant. We still get to keep WP:DRUGS - I've added both to the project main page - Alison✍ 00:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Looking good! I thought of creating a boilerplate message to notify participants of the merger. Any thoughts? Fvasconcellos 02:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea. That'll get folks moving on updating/evaluating stubs and stuff. Plenty to do! :) - Alison✍ 04:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic addition of articles

Would anyone object if I were to take my bot and have it sleuth throughout the categories related to drugs and pharmacology and have it automatically tag article talk pages with the WikiProject banner? —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 03:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Should Category:Psychoactive drug stubs be bot-tagged too? --Galaxiaad 09:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaned up documentation

Hello again! Just letting you all know that I cleaned up this WikiProject's documentation. For example, there is now a style guide which merges three naming guidelines. Additionally, I created a workspace, which allows for collaborations on things that are not articles. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 12:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Antioxidant

Up for FA here. Comments, edits and suggestions are welcome. TimVickers 05:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying us! I created a section on the WikiProject main page for listing articles up for evaluation of some kind. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

Would any of the participants be interested in Collaboration of the month system, in which we try to bring an article to FA quality? --Parker007 23:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Definitely! - Alison✍ 23:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I can create one. Hold on. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 02:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
There, a nice collaboration page with a smooth process (that is, it's smoother than WP:ACID's). By the way, feel free to use the workspace anytime; it's like an experimentation/development zone for this WikiProject. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 03:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice idea. Now we have a week to start thinking of articles to nominate... Fvasconcellos 14:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Let's focus on the articles that are top/high importance yet are not even good articles. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 15:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested articles

I think yet another thing this project should do is work on the pharmacology requested articles (here). Some of the terms in the general medical section would fall under this project too. Looks like several members already work on it, but it could be mentioned on the project page. --Galaxiaad 09:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I work on Wikipedia:Requested articles/list of missing pharmacology whenever I can (i.e. not very often ;)—most of it can be cleared by judicious redirecting. I think this should have a prominent place in the Project main page, and maybe we could add a note to the top of the list saying WP:PHARM can handle such requests? Fvasconcellos 14:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heroin name question

The discussion has been moved to Talk:Heroin. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Levonorgestrel

Could the kind editors of this WikiProject please take a look at Levonorgestrel. The first paragraph is pack full of jargon. Lead sections usually are not supposed to have jargon, or at least fancy terms are supposed to be explained. Could someone translate that paragraph into a little bit simpler language please? Thanks for your consideration.-Andrew c 00:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I just hacked it around a bit. Can you take a look at it now and see what you think? The article is a bit sparse on data still and needs fleshing out (some of the other progestins are only one-liners plus a drugbox!!) - Alison☺ 01:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AZD2171

I've just created a stub on this investigational kinase inhibitor being tested by AstraZeneca, previously on the list of requested Pharmacology articles. There are some interesting papers on PubMed, but most are restricted access. If anyone has any ideas on how to expand or improve the article, they'd be greatly appreciated! Fvasconcellos 21:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fluoxetine

Hi all. An anon editor went over the Fluoxetine article and marked it for NPOV and cites. There's a comment on the talk page. I'm in agreement here; the article looks POV-laden and is missing many critical cites/refs. I've done a small tidy-up on it but could someone more knowledgeable possibly look it over and add some refs or clean out the POV/cruft? - Alison☺ 17:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fluoxetine alert

Hi there. I found a lot of copyvio, as did User:Fvasconcellos, copied verbatim from papers in PubMed (not just quotes) and other sources. Pulled the shutters down on the article until it can be properly reviewed and cleared. Looks like it might need to be scratch-written. I'll expose the DrugBox and a few other bits for the moment as this is proven to be ours. Can we try to rebulid this article, preferably without all the cruft and POV this time?? :) - Alison☺ 00:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I deleted it as a copyright violation. Let's start the article over again. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 02:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Not so fast!! There's lots of good stuff in there that's verifiably okay. It was all here --> Talk:Fluoxetine/Temp - stuff like the drugbox / references / links / cats, and the initial header were all verified (by me, at least) to be okay - Alison☺ 02:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
This is an ongoing problem -- more so with the less attended drug articles. I saw one article deleted that did not take any text from the source that was referenced on the speedy tag. Fluoxetine is a major article and should not be deleted every time someone posts some copyrighted material. I mean, if I were to copy some text from cnn.com's home page to CNN I don't think any admin would delete the CNN article. There was a lot of text that was not copyrighted on this page. Remember that ideas cannot be copyrighted, in pharmacological jargon, there are only so many ways to say the same thing. --Selket Talk 16:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I've reinstated the non-copyvio content. Couldn't we have moved the article content, copyvio and all, out of mainspace (i.e. to the WP:PHARM workspace) so it could be collaboratively rewritten? I'm not knocking the value of the proverbial clean slate, but that's gonna be a lot of hard work :) Fvasconcellos 16:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
It's in google cache but, yes. That's a fair point. However, copyrighted text may be a problem in the article's edit history. Best move the bad article, build up a new, quarintined one from the old, then deleted the moved one. Problem with copyvio is that the text may leave Wikipedia legally vulnerable, hence the 'terminate with extreme prejudice' that MessedRocker showed. - Alison☺ 18:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Nicely put, and point taken :) Fvasconcellos 23:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Help needed on Aminopterin

With the recent identification of this compound in the Menu Foods pet food recall, the article could use some work by knowledgable contributors. Thanks! --Dfred 23:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categorization of Bupropion

Somebody changed Bupropion article category from pharmaceuticals to chemicals. Can it be changed back?Paul gene 12:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the project banner on the Talk page? Bupropion is a chemical, so I think it falls under the scope of WP:CHEM. I've assessed it for this project as well, so now all your bupropion are belong to us :) Fvasconcellos 14:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expert advice wanted

Hi there. A discussion is proceeding on the Talk:Antioxidant page about the validity of a recent review of clinical trials of antioxidant supplements. Expert advice would be much appreciated. Thank you. TimVickers 15:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is there another name for an Off-licenced drug ?

Is Off-licenced drug a synonym for another class of drug within Pharmacology? If so, should a redirect or merge be in order?

From the article: "An off-licenced drug does not have a licence for human use for any indication or age group (in that country)."

Thanks for your help. Guroadrunner 11:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not super-knowledgeable about this (please correct me on any of these things), but it looks like in the U.S. it's probably illegal to prescribe, dispense, manufacture, or import FDA-unapproved drugs. The only times it's definitely OK are in clinical trials and under some special programs for cancer (and other rare diseases, I think).[1]
Obviously this is related to off-label prescription, which is legal in the U.S., but kind of perversely it doesn't seem like the FDA regulates that at all, as long as the drug is approved for something, whereas each new product, even if it has the same active ingredient as a previous approved medication, has to go through the whole process of proving safety and efficacy.[2]
Drugs imported from other countries are definitely not legal until they've been approved by the FDA, as evidenced by their warnings about online pharmacies.[3] And compounding something that isn't available as an approved formulation is OK (as long as the active ingredient is used in approved medications, etc.)[4]
Anyway, that's what I know/could find... I feel like this is a legal issue that will differ by country so it's odd that that article says things like "should". (Also, grammatically shouldn't it be "off-licence drug"?) Other comments?
Finally, this is actually a question of pharmacy/pharmacy law, not pharmacology, and you might find more help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Clinical medicine. --Galaxiaad 17:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • There's gotta be another name for that. "Off-licenced drug" only gets 56 ghits; less than ten when you -Wikipedia. ♠PMC♠ 20:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd support a merge/redirect to Off-label use. Sounds a bit like "Fair-use image" which doesn't really exist either (as a noun) Colin°Talk 22:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry, I forgot to say in my comment but I assumed (partially from the spelling of license) it was a non-U.S. legal issue. The lack of Google hits makes the whole thing dubious though. --Galaxiaad 23:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about the technical aspects of this issue, but I've wikified the article (as part of the wikification drive) in the hope that it will help someone decide whether to keep, redirect or merge. Smalljim 18:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd propose a move to unlicensed drug (or unlicenced), which gets far more Google hits, including [5] and [6], which I found quite interesting; the latter even defines a distinction between "unlicensed" and "off-label". Also, I can't help but think people may be coming to the article at its present location looking for Off-licence... Fvasconcellos 18:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for those links. The first is particularly helpful and shows that there is a noun. The Off-licenced drug article is getting the object and the usage confused in parts (and may also have got the off/un confused too). I'd prefer Unlicensed medicine rather than Unlicensed drug. Perhaps the distinction isn't there (the dictionary defines drug=medicine) but to my mind the drug is the active ingredient and the medicine is the tangible thing you take (syrup, tablet, etc). One can take a licensed medicine such as a tablet and crush it into a syrup suspension to form an unlicensed medicine. The drug remains the same. BTW: the article also currently appears to give advice ("should"). Colin°Talk 19:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
How about "unlicensed product"? We could then distinguish unlicensed drugs (i.e., c:ompounds for which there is no human use indication) and unlicensed preparations. It's just an idea, and is it just me or am I sounding ORish? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fvasconcellos (talk • contribs) 20:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
I've added {{unreferenced}} and {{expert-verify}} tags to the article in case someone comes across it (unlikely, I know) and takes its content as gospel. Should have thought of this when I wikified it. BTW, I don't like "Unlicensed product", that could refer to any field (bootleg CDs, for instance). Smalljim 22:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Nice point :) Fvasconcellos 22:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cannabis rescheduling in the United States FAR

Cannabis rescheduling in the United States has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The references are an absolute mess, but I'm more concerned by the neutrality tag and reason why it was brought to FAR. Is there a POV dispute or not? (and I do mean dispute, not an objection to the article's neutrality) Fvasconcellos 23:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:PAH rx

New navigational template. Feedback welcome! Fvasconcellos 17:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles)

The proposed guideline WP:MEDMOS has been declared "historical" due to lack of activity. Please can we push towards consensus and make it a formal guideline. If we think it is close, we can advertise on the Village pump. Discuss on the talk page. Colin°Talk 15:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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