Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Northern Ireland

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Contents 1 Remove Letterkenny 2 NI Project 3 Userbox 4 Merge Article debate= 5 Irish dance and other all-Ireland subjects 6 Project Template 7 Template:WPNI 8 Tagging talk pages and assessing articles 9 TfD nomination of Template:Northern Ireland topics 10 Project directory 11 Bloody Sunday disambiguation 12 List of United Kingdom locations 13 Wikipedia Day Awards 14 To-Do... 15 Battle of the Somme FAR 16 Warcrimes 17 Wikiproject hierarchy 18 Dashes/hyphens or whatever 19 Mark McClelland article in Wikiproject Northern Ireland 20 Articles on constituencies 21 New infoboxes 22 Infobox flag straw poll

[edit] Remove Letterkenny

Letterkenny town is not in Northern Ireland and should be reomved from this project. I haven't checked other County Donegal towns yet but is it ok to remove any articles on places not in Northern Ireland?(Ciaranc 11:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC))

Absolutely. Just check though that any other towns, or other articles, aren't relevant to Northern Ireland in some other way. Cheers. --Mal 03:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NI Project

The following discussion took place on Stu's talk page:

Stu, I've been thinking seriously about creating a Wikiproject for Northern Ireland and Northern Irish-related articles. This has a huge scope, but if we make a start to it then perhaps we can break it down into smaller sub-projects (geography, biographies, etc). I'm going to create this using two projects I am involved with as templates: the Formula One project and the Beatles project. I'd really appreciate your help. I think in the long term it will help us to direct our efforts to improving these articles. In the short term of course, there will be work involved in creating the damn thing in the first place! lol Let me know your thoughts anyway (and who else we might be able to call upon to enlist, such as theKeith for example). --Mal 21:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

OK I've created the Wikiproject, and I'm taking a break from it for the time being. Feel free to make any changes/additions you feel are appropriate. Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Irish articles --Mal 23:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow! That looks complicated! Good work though. I've never really bothered with Wikiprojects, so I'll have to look at your Beatles and Formula 1 ones and see how they work. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 15:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Well most of it is from copying other peoples' work. The whole redlinks thing was my idea though. I've started the article classification, which so far lists all the articles listed in the Category:Northern Ireland page. What we can do is go through all the categories, list them for classification, then list them for redlinks. It will take a long time probably.. but if we whittle away at it we should make good progress. AND it will help us improve the articles. We might even find articles we never knew existed that interest some of us.

I'm thinking of starting a separate page for the inevitable political discussions that are bound to crop up with Northern Irish articles - so that we can deal with those issues separately from the project ... or in tandem if you like. In other words, people who don't want to get embroiled in the political crap should be able to avoid it if they want to. Sound good to you?

Once you get used to what's available in the project pages, it should make editing of them a lot easier (not to mention structured). We should also help other editors by creating and including helpful things like templates relating to NI, categories and a policy on structure. Obviously all NI articles should be sub-articles in relation to the UK. But they should also be related or linked to relevant Ireland articles and cats where apropriate. Most articles probably have that kind of addition anyway.

Anyway - discussion like this should probably go on the project's discussion page, so I'll copy it there. --Mal 18:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

How about establishing a userbox for this project, such as the one at the Croatia project? Cordless Larry 17:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

You mean something like - {{User WPNornIrn}}!   Keithology  Talk!  17:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what I mean. Thanks. Cordless Larry 17:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Article debate=

With the Republic of Ireland project :-)

[edit] Irish dance and other all-Ireland subjects

Hi! I noticed that User:Setanta747 tagged Irish dance and Irish stepdance as part of the WPNI. Is it the intent of the project to include Irish culture articles which are not specific to Northern Ireland? Argyriou 02:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hullo. You raise an interesting point and I'll answer as best I can.

It is the intent of the project to include all articles that relate to Northern Ireland. I believe that Irish dance is an important aspect of culture in Northern Ireland, it is also amongst the current subcategories of Category:Northern Ireland, and so therefore it has been tagged.

There are two variables in the project tag: one marks the assessment of the quality of of the article itself, and the other marks how important to the project that particular article is.

Irish dance falls within the scope of the Northern Ireland project, and there will be many overlaps (as there are with most projects) with all-Ireland subjects, as well as with (for example) subjects relating to the UK, the British Isles, music, the United States, biography and the military history project. Note that this project is not declaring ownership of the article(s) you are pointing out. I believe that if there are overlaps, then that is a Good Thing, as it might encourage more subsets of people (from multiple projects) to concentrate work on any given article. --Mal 21:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Template

The current Northern Irish Collaboration of the Month is WikiProject Belfast. Every month a different NI-related topic, stub or non-existent article is picked. Please read the WikiProject Belfast|nomination text and improve the article any way you can.

The flag used in this box has no legal standing, as it was the flag in use by the Stormont government that was disbanded in the early 1970's, and should not be used in regards to the state of N. Ireland today.--padraig3uk 15:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:WPNI

Recently this template has been put on the Talk:Ogham page. Discussion there has not been pleasant. Mal has been belligerent and unyielding about the relevance of the template on the Ogham page and about the unwelcome size and design of the Template:WPNI. In good faith, I made edits to the template which you can see here. He accused me of vandlism and threatened to block me. This is inappropriate. I would like to request the members of this WikiProject to discuss the matter of the design of the Template:WPNI. Thank you. -- Evertype·✆ 08:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I second this. Either respect the concern regarding template clutter, or respect the "daughter" status wrt Wikiproject Ireland and tag only articles pertinent to NI but not to all of Ireland (or respect both of these points, of course). thanks, dab (ᛏ) 11:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging talk pages and assessing articles

Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.

The plugin has two main modes of operation:

• Tagging talk pages, great for high-speed tagging
• Assessments mode, for reviewing articles (pictured)

As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.

For more information see:

• About the plugin
• About support for "generic" WikiProject templates
• User guide
• About AWB (AutoWikiBrowser)

Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. --Kingboyk 14:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Northern Ireland topics

Template:Northern Ireland topics has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bloody Sunday disambiguation

Greetings from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation. I just disambiguated all the links for Bloody Sunday on Wikipedia. Please remember to disambiguate your links. Use [[Bloody Sunday (1972)|]] which expands to [[Bloody Sunday (1972)|Bloody Sunday]]. Also, sumbuddy on this project should periodically check Special:Whatlinkshere/Bloody_Sunday and keep them clean. -- Randall Bart 04:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of United Kingdom locations

This list is sadly lacking Northern Ireland locations. Is anyone aware of a free list of northern irish locations? GameKeeper 09:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To-Do...

Hundreds of articles still need assessed. I don't know how many other people are helping with this, but I seem to have not only created this project, the Belfast project, the noticeboard, the portal and all the pages associated with each of those, but I seem to have tagged nearly all of the articles in both projects, I'm the only one who rotates any of the featured articles, bios and pictures, and I seem to have been virtually the only editor who has assessed any of the articles.

The reason I set all this up was to make it easier to keep track of what needed to be done so that other editors could use the projects as a guide or, if they'd finished working on one article and found themselves stuck with something to do, could refer to the projects to see which articles interest them.

I know there aren't that many editors from Northern Ireland on Wikipedia, or even that many interested in editing Northern Irish articles, but I know a few of you exist. I also know, from my short stint of experience in helping out the good people at The Beatles Project that a small number of editors were able to make a huge difference. So, if any of you could be arsed, I'd sure love some feedback here.

Are the projects useful? Do you use them? Have you got any suggestions to make using the projects/assessment templates easier etc? Prior to reading this, were you aware of either the Belfast WikiProject, the Northern Ireland WikiProject, the NIW Noticeboard, or the NI Portal? Which subpages do you refer to, if any? How did you find out about it?

Here's where we are with regard to the NI WikiProject: Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Ireland/Log.

The collection of articles that are tagged as being part of the NI project includes three Good Articles: Linfield F.C., Irish phonology and Northern Ireland. It also includes and 51 B-Class articles. But no A-class or Featured Articles, as yet.

Whether I get any help or not, I'm planning on attempting to get the three GAs up to A or FA standard, and the B-Class articles up to GA, but it would sure be a lot easier if there were other people out there who wanted to see these articles improved on the 'pedia.

There are also still 1,301 articles unassessed and a whole host of articles not even tagged yet - there could be a couple more FAs in there, or A-class or GAs.

Help!

--Mal 23:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'am from Northern Ireland, and would be very interested in being apart of this project, but in the past few months I have noticed that in the case of Northern Ireland related articles that a group of editors seem to work together to promote a certain viewpoint, this is in my view very bad for Wikipedia.--padraig3uk 22:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

This is certainly nothing I am aware of. Of the few Northern Irish Wikipedians I am aware of, I've had virtually zero personal contact with any of them in the last several months. They include editors such as Dom, Stu and Keith. Most of the ones I know seem quite balanced in their editing. I haven't noticed any conspiracy, although many people from Northern Ireland seem to agree on a number of issues that have established consensus. Perhaps you could list the members of this group for us, and maybe we can list the group for comment in the Wikipedia namespace.

Alternatively though, I have noticed a couple of groups of small numbers of editors that have been engaged in a rather active POV campaign recently - especially since the beginning of the year. This campaign would appear to follow the POV of Republican ideology specifically. I agree that it is bad for Wikipedia, and I believe I have made this clear in a recent request for comment in the Wikipedia namespace. --Mal 07:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of the Somme FAR

Battle of the Somme has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warcrimes

This article seems to gloss over his actions during the war, the ethnis cleansing refered to involved the cold blooded murder of civilians which, I understand, even Aitken's family do not stand by. Rpersse 00:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Who? Which article? --Mal 12:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject hierarchy

note Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ireland#Descendant_WikiProjects: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ireland is the logical parent project of this one, it is not about the Republic, but about the island as a whole. Please avoid tagging articles as within the scope of WikiProject Northern Ireland when they bear no special relevance to Northern Ireland. Such topics should be categorized under WikiProject Ireland instead. This concerns mainly articles on historical topics (Ogham, Old Irish literature and the like). It is useless template cruft to have an article tagged by a project and its sub-project. thanks, dab (𒁳) 13:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

As I believe you have been informed before Dbackmann, tagging articles with WikiProject templates does not denote ownership of said article. Indeed, if more projects are involved with any given article, there is logically a higher chance that said article will attract more people interested in that subject.

Further, I note that the Ireland WikiProject was created precisely for the reason of creating just this type of problem.

I humbly suggest you ignore what articles the members of the NI Project decides to tag (that is - the tags, not the articles) and get on with your own work. In this way time will not be wasted in discussing ownership and reverting tags, and more time can be spent on improving the quality of the articles themselves. --Mal 02:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

nothing to do with ownership. Wikiprojects have a logical hierarchical structure, and we don't want talkpages buried in template clutter just because some people like to piddle on trees. dab (𒁳) 07:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Watch your tone with me please. I seem to remember you being disrespectful to me before, and you're at it again now.

You mentioned "talk page clutter" before to me, and I resolved that by added yet more functionality (small) to the template. As you feel that is such a big issue, I will add the small flag to the template on the Old Irish literature page also. I do hope that satiates your desire to remove piddle from trees. --Mal 08:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dashes/hyphens or whatever

I have tried to use "endash;" instead of a hyphen (-) but it wont work for me! Do I simply use:"endash;" instead of "-"? This is needed in this article.Osborne 14:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you're talking about &ndash; aren't you? There's &ndash;: –, &mdash;:—, and &nbsp;: which is a "no (line) break space". Hope that helps. :) Which article was it you were talking about? --Mal 02:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I was thinking of "Ulster Museum" (and others) the "List of some collectors." I have used, sometimes, the Insert at the bottom of the Edit page, i.e. – — °≈≠≤≥±−×÷←→ 09:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mark McClelland article in Wikiproject Northern Ireland

Hi,

The above article on an ex-Snow Patrol member is tagged as being part of the Wikiproject NI categories. It strikes me that a lot of the article is way out of line and not in keeping with the policies for talking about living people in Wikipedia.

I've left a comment on the article's talk page along the same lines saying that i'm going to just remove the negative comments unless anyone has any objections in the next day or so. If anyone in the NI project watches this article they may want to make a more positive change then simply removing the comments? Anyone interested?

Rmkf1982 | Talk 18:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles on constituencies

There is a discussion at Talk:Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007#Constituency split on splitting articles on Assembly election constituencies from those on UK Parliament constituencies, which may be of interest to some participants here. Warofdreams talk 03:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New infoboxes

A new infobox has been developed for use on UK places articles. If you have any concerns or appraisals, please make them at Template talk:Infobox UK place. Regards, Jhamez84 02:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have already made it plain that I do not support the dropping of the historic county field, but my objections have been ignored. If this is supposed to replace the existing templates it absolutely needs to provide the same information as the previous ones or a lot of editors are going to be very annoyed. Owain (talk) 14:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Consensus can change. It has. consensus has been assessed three times in response to your complaints, and in each case, the new consensus was not to your liking.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox flag straw poll

Hello fellow editors. A straw poll has opened today (27th March 2007) regarding the use of flags on the United Kingdom place infoboxes. There are several potential options to use, and would like as many contrubutors to vote on which we should decide upon. The straw poll is found here. If joining the debate, please keep a cool head and remain civil. We look forward to seeing you there. Jhamez84 11:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)