Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metalworking/Template list
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[edit] Navigation boxes
Ok, so I spent a few minutes playing with (aka fucking up :) the drilling and threading articles... they're now part of Category:Drilling and threading and include template Template:Metalworking - Drilling and threading, giving them a navigation box at the bottom that looks like:
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Casting | CNC | Cutting tools | Drilling and threading | Fabrication | Finishing | Grinding | Jewellery | Lathe (tool) | Machining | Machine tooling | Measuring | Metalworking | Hand tools | Metallurgy | Milling | Occupations | Press tools | Smithing | Terminology | Welding |
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Shiny! :)
The bottom list of links needs lots of work, but I can't complete it until actually making the articles/categories they're supposed to link to.
When we're pretty sure the categorization of articles isn't going to change too much, and we've made little introduction pages and/or categories for everything the bottom row should link to, I'll make a bunch of them up for every category... until then, enjoy Drilling and threading! Bushytails 20:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
- Shiny indeed, it's looking good. I've done some tweaking, the edit history will show them comments at the articles talk Graibeard 22:47, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Nav box - Metalworking hand tools
Category:Metalworking hand tools
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Ball-peen hammer | Combination square | Drift pin | File | File card | Hammer | Hand scraper | Machinist square | Magnetic base | Peening | Pliers | Power tool | Punch | Rotary tool | Scriber | Throatless shear | Tongs | Tool | Vise | Workbench | Wrench |
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Casting | CNC | Cutting tools | Drilling and threading | Fabrication | Finishing | Grinding | Jewellery | Lathe (tool) | Machining | Machine tooling | Measuring | Metalworking | Hand tools | Metallurgy | Milling | Occupations | Press tools | Smithing | Terminology | Welding |
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I'll add the template later (in truth I forgot it on the Category: run!). Anyway, stopping now. Graibeard 17:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mini navs, generic style
I added another template, Template:Metalworking - Metalworking hand tools - Mini, for the articles that metalworking is only a small part of, and the big template would be annoying (especially if it has one for metalworking, one for woodworking, etc, etc).
WikiProject Metalworking: This article is part of Metalworking hand tools.
- That's a tidy solution, I had concerns about the potential problem too. — Graibeard 02:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I had a play with the mini template and have turned it into a generic style. It's located at Template:Metalworking - Mini and it takes one parameter, the category name you want it to direct to eg: for Metalworking hand tools then {{Metalworking - Mini|Metalworking hand tools}} will give
Template:Metalworking - Mini
— Graibeard 12:38, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Nav box sub lists
I also made the templates include a separate template for the list of main topics, so only one page needs to be editted to update all of them.
- I've taken that one step further and done the same thing for the template articles, this allows them to be dual purpose and used for the article headings at metalworking, without cluttering the page. — Graibeard 02:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I'll work more on templates, categories, etc tonight... have to go spend the rest of the day stripping paint. blah! Bushytails 21:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Hmm, hold the nav boxes
Article series boxes (or navigational templates) are boxes with links to other related articles. This page suggests that they are a no-no in our case, in fact we fail the no test. Instead, Categories and lists rule. — Graibeard 10:55, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- That's a proposed policy that isn't anything close to being in force. See Christianity, for example. Also take a look at some of the community response. --Spangineer (háblame) 03:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
- I think our use is a good one, and certainly follows how they're often used on wikipedia (such as Template:ArtificialLightSources, Template:threeagesystem, hell even Template:Technology, which when done we should add ourselves to), and meets all the items on the "advantages" list. Bushytails 01:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to have some free time tonight... Unless there's still concern over the nav boxes, I'll probably work on re-categorizing and adding templates to the articles. Bushytails 18:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
- Your timing is excellent as I'll be lying low for a few days. My concerns regarding the templates are gone so, time permitting, it's full speed ahead again. Graibeard 21:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Welding nav box proposal
I'd like to propose that the following box be placed on all welding pages. Comments? --Spangineer (háblame) 03:20, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
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| Arc welding: Shielded metal | Gas metal | Flux cored | Submerged | Gas tungsten | Plasma | |
| Other processes: Oxyfuel | Resistance | Spot | Forge | Ultrasonic | Electron beam | Laser beam | |
| Equipment: Power supply | Electrode | Shielding gas | Robot | |
| Related: Heat-affected zone | Weldability | Residual stress | Arc eye | Underwater welding | |
| See also: Brazing | Soldering | Metalworking | Casting | Machining | Drilling | Milling | |
- Good to have you onboard Spangineer,
- I'd suggest including (MIG) and (TIG) in the respective link descriptions, for the layman to relate to.
- I notice that you don't try and list all the related links (which is probably a good thing, otherwise the box size risks increasing too much). Are you going to have an introduction page that will list them all, such as by creating new indexes/portals along the lines of Welding Equipment (Equipment), Welding Terminology (Related), Welding processes (other processes)? We're planning on following this approach with the yet unfinished pages listed on {{Metalworking - Main links}}).
- The see also section, if you included brazing and soldering back under other processes (or related) we could squeeze a few more links from {{Metalworking - Main links}}) into it , Metallurgy, Fabrication, and Jewelry would top my choice list. I'd actually prefer them all to go under see also :) and although they would make it considerably larger, there is still width available and it would complete the category listings. — Graibeard 06:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I thought a picture would be worth the thousand wards so I've done the deed, the first box is the first mentioned option. It follows your style fairly closely with minimal width and also reduced content, it keeps welding as a seperate, defined area . It would of course need three new pages as intros to the particular areas, also individual templates per area...
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| Arc welding: Shielded metal | Gas metal (MIG) | Flux cored | Submerged | Gas tungsten (TIG) | Plasma | |
| Welding topics: Welding equipment, Welding terminology, Welding processes
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| See also: Metalworking | Casting | Machining | Drilling | Milling | Metallurgy | Fabrication | Jewelry | see more... | |
and this one has the lot, it's more in the format of the other metalworking pages. It lists all the categories so there are no hidden pages, everything can be found (eventually) by just following the nav boxes -- Arc welding:, Welding equipment, Welding terminology, Welding processes, Arc welding and Metalworking topics: listings.
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| Arc welding: Shielded metal | Gas metal | Flux cored | Submerged | Gas tungsten | Plasma (and all the other arc welding pages as links ) | |
| Welding topics: Welding equipment, Welding terminology, Welding processes | |
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Casting | CNC | Cutting tools | Drilling and threading | Fabrication | Finishing | Grinding | Jewellery | Lathe (tool) | Machining | Machine tooling | Measuring | Metalworking | Hand tools | Metallurgy | Milling | Occupations | Press tools | Smithing | Terminology | Welding |
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Food for thought? Hopefully good food :) — Graibeard 10:14, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
- Good ideas. I'm not sure I like including every metalworking category on this template, since it's going to go on welding pages. Having links available to pages like heat-affected zone and electron beam welding I think would be more useful than links to cutting tools and CNC. Part of the reason people are arguing about whether or not to allow nav boxes like this one (on WP:CSL, for example) is that there are too many unrelated links on them. As for creating portal type pages (Welding equipment, etc.), that's a good idea that I haven't gotten around to implementing yet. I've already created List of welding processes, though it needs some work. I've linked to that page under "Other processes". I've also added the two acronyms you suggest, plus one that's apparently fairly common in the UK. I removed drilling and milling from the see also section, since they are (at least to my knowledge) subsets of machining. I'd prefer to leave brazing and soldering in the see also section, since I'm not sure that they can be considered true welding processes. What do you think of the following:
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| Welding | |
| Arc welding: Shielded metal (MMA) | Gas metal (MIG) | Flux cored | Submerged | Gas tungsten (TIG) | Plasma | |
| Other processes: Oxyfuel | Resistance | Spot | Forge | Ultrasonic | Electron beam | Laser beam | |
| Equipment: Power supply | Electrode | Shielding gas | Robot | |
| Related: Heat-affected zone | Weldability | Residual stress | Arc eye | Underwater welding | |
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See also: Brazing | Soldering | Metalworking | Fabrication | Casting | Machining | Metallurgy | Jewelry |
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- Yep, that looks fine by me - run with it, although...
- I think brazing and soldering are technically welding - (dictionary.com is probably a fuller definition), what they (brazing/soldering) are not, and what the others are (arc welding) is fusing. My understanding is that with arc both pieces melt then fuse together, whereas with brazing/soldering only one actually melts. I agree though that soldering may not be thought of as such, just tell an electronic repairman that he's welding the components to the board! However (as none of this is meant to get pedantic, but you did get me thinking about it :), like I said above - it's fine as is.
- I can appreciate wanting to keep it fairly tight. We may well follow suit with ours (reducing the number of links) but until the portal pages are scoped out we're relying on these nav boxes to give some continuity to the pages. The category alternative is fine for its auto indexing capabilities but the link placement (bottom of page) and terminology doesn't exactly shout The index is here — Graibeard 13:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
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- It's rather ambiguous. I wrote the welding article with a tighter focus (excluding soldering and brazing) partly because it seemed to reflect common usage in the textbooks I read and from what I heard from my professors. Brazing and soldering involve introducing a third material that melts between the two pieces being joined (neither of which melt), which creates the bond. I guess it's sort of like using a low-melting temperature metal as a glue between the two pieces. --Spangineer (háblame) 14:57, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Template:Metalworking - Mini
Template:Metalworking - Mini was nominated for deletion. The result of the discussion was delete. The debate has been archived here. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
