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[edit] Suggestion

I was wanting to know if i can add album reviews from professional sites, even on albums that are already described. I would really want to do that. Tannersf 00:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You can add reviews of an album, check Reign in Blood as an example unless you mean something else as your question is unclear. M3tal H3ad 05:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Always best to add it into the infobox "Reviews" field using the following format:
*[[All Music Guide]] {{Rating-5|3}} [http:// link]
where "All Music Guide" is just an example of the reviewing site which is linked to another Wikipedia article. Change the rating number on the right hand side. Insert the web link just after the "http://" and make sure there is a space betweeen the end of the link and the word "link".
Hope this helps. Bubba HoTep 08:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking more on the lines of a word review, not a rating. Tannersf 01:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

You can quote the review, with like 1 line(and reference it) but copying and pasting the whole thing will breach copyright. M3tal H3ad 01:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD for Church of Misery (again)

Once again, someone has nominated Church of Misery for deletion here, even after I noted the notability guidelines on its talk page. Can we please take some steps to keep this article?

Also thanks to User:Prolog for the good words on the Afd. --Eastlaw 06:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we're in the clear for Church of Misery. I posted their complete discography and found some info on their most recent Eurotour to add to the article. It has a lot more content and shouldn't be questioned again. Olliegrind 23:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning Rob Halford

Holy crap he has such a tiny article plz make it bigger for metal's sake!! Mighty Zeus 04:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Eternal

I have been updating and cleaning up the article for Australian gothic metal band The Eternal with new information and to make it more relevant. It has been changed back twice saying that it was 'not helping the article' which i beg to differ as the article starts in the middle of nowhere and is out of date. Any help? Blackserenity 04:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The IP users' edits are very similar to those made by sockpuppets of Leyasu, who is banned from editing Wikipedia. Cronodevir has also reverted to edits made by Leyasu IP's on several occasions, and is currently on WP:SSP. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Leyasu (2nd). Continue your good work and revert disruption if necessary. Prolog 05:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. He/she seems to do it to a lot of my work (see also: Entwine,Rainshadow, Poisonblack, always changing the genre from gothic metal to Gothic-doom metal when none of these bands have anything to do with that genre. I appreciate your help, this guy is just really annoying the hell out of me. Blackserenity 07:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Its not just been Myself and Crono reverting these edits. Other users have as well. The Gothic Metal article explicittly says the bands are not Gothic Metal, and repeated quests for Blackserenity to work with other editors to help update the Gothic Metal article have been ignored. Also, if they had something to do with the genre, there wouldnt be sources on the Gothic Metal article and its talk page saying they did. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.157.80.136 (talk) 13:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
What requests? I am completely unaware of any request for my input into the gothic metal article. It is absolutely ridiculous to label bands like Entwine, Poisonblack etc etc as GOTHIC DOOM when NOTHING about them has any characteristics to do with the DOOM genre itself. If you check out doom-metal.com [1] the genre Gothic/Doom metal is a hybrid of both doom metal and gothic metal and as a result of that bands like Entwine, Poisonblack, Charon, Rainshadow don't fit in with that definition. Have you actually even heard any of these bands? doom-metal.com is also the largest, longest running and critically acclaimed website/database for all things to do with doom. Blackserenity 09:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I know exactly what Doom-Metal.com is. And i left yew like three messages on your talk page about this whole thing. If you also read the Gothic Metal article, youll find that Gothic Metal is a genre that uses TWO Vocalists, BLACK/DEATH style guitaring, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH Goth Rock.
If yew had also read the article, youd know Gothic-Doom ISNT just used to mean what it says on Doom-Metal.com. Its used to refer to Goth Metal (Charon, To/Die/For, Entwine, Etc) and Atmospheric Doom (Ashes You Leave, Chalice, Avrigus, Etc). Your better with the Goth Metal part than i am, im better with the Atmospheric Doom part. So again, im asking if yew wanna help me reconstruct the Gothic-Doom section to make it A) Clearer, and B) So we can list more accurate things in the Infoboxes of certain bands. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.153.42.129 (talk) 13:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] 2000's Retro Metal movement

Category:2000's Retro Metal movement, what the hell is this category for & about? Diabolical 09:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

After going through the guys edits it sticks out like the standard case of My favourite bands list —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.153.42.129 (talk) 13:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
This "retro metal" was deleted just two weeks ago through and Afd. It looks like the editor was not happy with that, so he re-created the article and the category under a different title. It seems to be very similar to the old article, so I tagged it with {{db-repost}}. Prolog 17:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Apart for a few bands there doesn't seem to be any main theme either, because there is nothing retro about Boris or Nocturnal Breed, especially not in the sense of the other bands such as Wig Wam or Wolfmother. Diabolical 21:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I posted on the talk page about the same thing. I don't see how you can put Boris and High on Fire in with those bands. He even had Bathory in there! I took the liberty of removing Bathory and am waiting for a reply from the creator before removing Boris and HOF. I also see someone has put it up for speedy deletion which is probably for the best. Olliegrind 23:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:American heavy metal musical groups

Category:American heavy metal musical groups This category has a few subcategories - Dark Angel (band), Louisiania heavy metal and Maryland heavy metal. I created the MD one and added it but it seems we should either split this up by state or not split it up at all. I feel the cat is pretty long and would be very long and not very useful if we put all American HM bands in. Splitting up by State seems that it would be much more useful. Any thoughts? Olliegrind 18:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, Category:Heavy metal musical groups has a ton of bands in it and it has 2 subcats - Category:Heavy metal musical groups by nationality & Category:Heavy metal musical groups by genre. Shouldn't all the bands in the HM musical groups be but into the subcategory of their country and genre and be removed from the top level cat? This would be a large untaking but I feel that it would be worth it and make the categories extremely more useful. I don't want to put much effort into it until I get some more opinions.Olliegrind 01:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive sweep

I just did an inactive sweep to see how much members we actually have. Members with no edits in the last 3 months(or decent amount) were moved onto the "inactive list". Half the peoples last edits were signing up to this project :|. M3tal H3ad 05:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

This project is rubbish anyway - 99% of the people here add crufty rubbish to the articles, like they're masturbating over their fave metal bands. LuciferMorgan 23:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with LuciferMorgan's comment. Many people help contributing, if YOU don't like the project, stay out of it --Dexter prog 01:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Insulting fellow editors is not going to improve this project, so please be civil. Prolog 03:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the project would be good, only it adds a ton of fancruft to every article. M3tal H3ad and one or two other editors actually edit metal articles without adding cruft. I'm not the only person who has commented on how awful this project is, and heavy metal's coverage on Wikipedia is in general. Typical cruft is saying X band "was influential in this subgenre and that subgenre" or this band "sounds like a cross between this band, this genre etc." - all original research without appropriate citations. Rather than add crap, add proper info, proper citations etc. - Megadeth and Slayer are examples of what Metal on Wiki can be. LuciferMorgan 00:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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