Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latinos
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[edit] All this is wrong
Al consideraros a vosotros mismos latinos asumo que habláis castellano.
Tansolo quería deciros que promocionar terminología como latino, hispanic, etc, me parece fatal, porque no refleja la verdad, sino una realidad inventada. Lo que estáis haciendo con todo ésto es fomentar el mal uso de estos términos, mal uso iniciado e incitado por la ignorancia anglosajona.
Además monopolizáis los artículos, como el de Hispanic, donde apenas se habla sobre las gentes y culturas que hay en España, estando el artículo centrado casi en su totalidad en los mal llamados latinos de los Estados Unidos.
Con todo ésto, en vez de corregir la ignorancia anglosajona, lo que estáis haciendo es fomentarla, añadiendo además la vuestra. Estáis alienando, excluyendo a los verdaderos hispanos de ESPAÑA.
Sinceramente, este proyecto, en vez de hacer pedagogía en positivo, solo contribuye a fomentar los tópicos.
Hoy en día un español ya nisiquiera se puede considerar hispano cuando va por ahí por culpa de todo ésto.
Onofre Bouvila 01:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Latino}} template
I think the questions of colors and images are secondary at this point. Right now we should be trying to determine whether or not the template is merited. Are there enough articles to add into it to make it useful? What articles should it be placed on? What benefit will it provide to readers of the encyclopedia? What are its parameters? Will it apply to all of Latin America or just Latinos in the United States? These are the questions we should be discussing right now. And to be frank, it doesn't seem like it will do much good at this point. Once the parameters are determined, then we can get started on writing articles that pertain to Latinos as a whole. The template should be like a finishing touch to enhance to a body of articles, not an outline to determine what needs to be written.--Rockero 20:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Any project, such as this template, can be broken down into a number of smaller projects – the presentation and the content or substance, but yes, how it looks is less important than the content. I would love to see a template for Latino/Hispanic topics that is as eye appealing and as useful as the template for African-American topics, especially with the growing number of Latinos within the United States. The purpose of a Wikipedia template is to make navigation easier, and certainly there needs be an effective way to navigate through the complex web of Latino related articles, and I think that in time the template will achieve that goal.
- The template should be about Latinos living in the United States. If you ask a Venezuelan off the street of Venezuela if he’s a Latino, he’ll say he’s Venezuelan or Latin American. The terms Hispanic and Latino aren’t used by most Latin Americans. A separate template could also be created for Latin Americans if someone desires to make one. I’d like to focus on seeing a Latino template. The Latino/Hispanic template could state “Latinos / Hispanics in the U.S” below the image that will be selected.
- For our own purposes, whether the Latinos are descendents or immigrants to the U.S. is less important. There needs to be a template that represents all these people who are Latinos and Hispanics. Therefore, when discussing Latino history, the article would include the history of all Latinos including Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Puerto Rican Americans, etc. The history article might include bits and interesting facts about the various Latin American countries. We, Mexican-Americans, make up over 75% of the Latino population, and thus, the history, etc about us will dominate many Latino related articles, but that doesn’t mean that our Mexican-American history is synonymous with Latino history.
- I think that the Latino template can give us a bit of a direction. Unfortunately, the template reveals the important articles that Wikipedia needs about Latinos. The Latino / Hispanic template needs to be tweaked that is for sure. There could be a link to the article about Latin America, links to articles about the major subgroups of Latinos, such as Mexican American and Cuban American and the possibilities are endless.--JuanMuslim 1m 23:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Orale pues, that's the reason we made the Mexican-American/Chicano templates {{Chicano2}} and {{Mexican-American}}. However, I think your idea of a navigational template for all the Latinos in the U.S. is actually probably a better idea since many of our organizations are inclusive of Latinos from all nationalities. If we make a template that is more inclusive, maybe we could make separate navigational templates for specific topics such as the Chicano Movement and Chicano Art, for example. What you are asking for, however, is a major reorganization. And here in conservative Wikipedia, you are bound to encounter opposition. So let's get it together before we start adding it to articles.
- Here's my recommendation: we reorganize the Latino template to accomodate articles that already exist. One header will be "Nationalities", and underneath, Cuban American, Mexican American, etc. That's the only idea I have for now, and when I get back I'll help with getting it together. PAZ carnal, --Rockero 03:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure we'll get some opposition, but all we can do is explain ourselves. The best approach right now is as you stated, that is, to use what already exists. And, your help is essentual because you are more familiar with what Latino related articles already exist on Wikipedia. Then, we'd also have a better idea of what needs to be written or perhaps reorganized. For example, the article on Puerto Rico includes info about Puerto Rican Americans which would be good for an article entitled Puerto Rican Americans or Puerto Rican American. And, some links on the template could point to sections within various Latino related articles. --JuanMuslim 1m 12:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Scope?
Should the scope be reworded? Feel free to make suggestions on all aspects of this WikiProject.--JuanMuslim 1m 03:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Latinos & Mexican-Americans
I know this is a stupid question, and I apologize. But can you tell me what the difference is between the scope of this project and the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexican-Americans? It seems to me that we shouldn't have two Projects covering the same territory, as that leads to an unhealthy form of competition. Badbilltucker 20:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Latinos include Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, etc. --JuanMuslim 1m 00:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 20:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikiproyecto:Hispanidad
Hola. He colocado un interwiki a es:Wikiproyecto:Hispanidad. Tal vez sería interesante la colaboración de ambas wikipedias sobre el tema, aunque la verdad es que el wikiproyecto de la es:Wikipedia es muy reciente y está un tanto vacío. Saludos. --87.218.20.167 23:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
