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[edit] Box lacrosse versus Indoor lacrosse

My personal belief after 11 years of playing the sport is that there is no difference... just another name for it... just like Boxla... I'd like to see the two articles merged under Box Lacrosse and then have a little write up about the different names.. also, the article is in desperate need of being expanded... as an example we might want to look at: American football. DMighton 10:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I didn't even know there as a difference... atleast around these parts, the terms are used interchangibly. Vote to merge Stoneice02 20:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Well... the argument from an old discussion was that Indoor is different because 3 years ago they switch back to the old 4 quarter rule over 3 periods... and that they use turf. These rule changes are basically only for the top tier of the sport... the NLL... and mostly for aesthetics... green turf looks less ghetto than a cement floor... and four quarters allows for a halftime. DMighton 20:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the basic question here is: Are box and indoor lacrosse different sports? Field and box lacrosse are fundamentally the same, but there are lots of differences, and the differences are big enough that they are considered two different (though related) sports, and thus require different pages to describe them. The differences between box and indoor lacrosse are relatively minor — the differences mentioned above aren't differences between sports, they're differences between leagues. The AL and NL use different rules (the designated hitter is one, but there are others), but nobody would say that they play two different sports. I don't think the differences in playing surfaces is relevant enough — some baseball teams play on grass and others on artificial turf in the same league. I vote to merge as well. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 22:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I kind of like having them seperate but I'm going to vote to merge. --Yarnalgo 23:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, Merge. DMighton 23:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. I moved the picture and other relevant information from the indoor lacrosse page over to the box lacrosse page. I will change the indoor page to redirect to the box page. Please let me know what you think. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 23:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Page?

I just finished added infomation on the National Lacrosse HOF (see Lacrosse Museum and National Hall of Fame). There are currently 323 inductees into the HOF. Do we want to create a page tha lists them all? Stoneice02 04:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm....my first thought is no - what we can do is add a category called National Lacrosse Hall Of Fame Inductees, and then go through each person inducted and add them to the category. The only drawback to that is that if pages don't exist for each person in the HOF, we'd have an incomplete list until we can add pages for each one.
I just looked at how the Hockey Hall of Fame did it - they have one page on the hall, another page for inductees sorted alphabetically, and yet another page for inductees sorted chronologically. So it looks like that's probably the way to go. MrBoo (talk, contribs) 10:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I like that idea. I will start working on that this weekend Stoneice02 18:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

There are very few images on any of the lacrosse pages. Most NLL/MLL team pages have a logo, and there are a few other pictures on some of the team pages, but there are very few pictures on the player pages. I know very little about what images we are and are not allowed to upload. For example, can we upload pictures from the NLL web site, or individual team sites (eg. www.torontorock.com)? --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 17:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, it isn't so simple. Most pictures you find on web sites are copyrighted (i.e. someone owns the rights to use it.) For further information on this, see the image use policy. The best way to add pictures, is often to take them yourself. Sometimes you can find pictures online that have been release with a license compatible with Wikipedia. These are usually from other amateur photographers. For example, you may be able to find some on Flickr (e.g. search within http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/by-2.0/). I see that this one is compatible. But be careful, not all pictures on Flickr are free. -- JamesTeterenko 19:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
(You can also search within http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/by-sa-2.0/) Both [1] and [2] are sets with a lot of good action shots. --Yarnalgo 03:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lacrosse player categories

There are categories for Category:Lacrosse players as well as ones for Canadians, Americans, and Australians. Should there be one for players of native heritage? If so, what should it be called?

I created Category:National Lacrosse Hall of Fame inductees and added it to all the players currently linked on the list of inductees. Stoneice02 02:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Positions of players

Talk:Lacrosse#Position (team sports) may be provocative for your project. Anyway, Position (team sports) should at least list lacrosse (genus). --P64 02:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

I'm moving some stuff from the main project page here, since they are up for discussion. Please place any comments you have or changes you make under the appropriate entry: --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 19:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Merge the box lacrosse and indoor lacrosse pages. There are discussions at both talk pages (indoor here and box here), but so far, nobody seems to be against this idea. Done.
  • There are pages for the NLL and MLL as well as the Australian Lacrosse League. There are pages for both the WLA and OLA, but they need expanding. Are there any other lacrosse leagues?
Check out Category:Lacrosse leagues. So the answer is yes, there are other lacrosse league, but you mentioned all the pro ones (except A. WLA/MSL technically aren't pro, but they are the highest level of box, and B. the OLA is the governing body; their Senior A/"pro" (league that competes with WLA for Mann Cup) is Major Series Lacrosse)
  • There is no page specifically for the MILL - that page redirects to the NLL page. As long as some history of the NLL including the MILL remains on that page, that's probably fine.
  • There are very few pictures on lacrosse pages - we need more, particularly pictures of players! Can someone knowledgeable about copyright issues (i.e. not me) contact the leagues and/or teams to see if we can get images (that we are allowed to use) from them?
See #Images —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yarnalgo (talk • contribs) 03:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
  • I added a couple questions on the Women's Lacrosse talk page that I'd like some feedback on. Stoneice02 06:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NLL teams that moved

Right now, Pittsburgh CrosseFire, Baltimore Thunder and Washington Power all redirect to Colorado Mammoth, the current name of that franchise. I think we should have different pages for each team. They'll obviously mention the history of the team and where it is now and such, but I would like to remove the automatic redirect. This goes for other teams that moved as well: Columbus, Syracuse, New Jersey (twice), etc. Note that Albany (now San Jose) and Montreal (now Minnesota) already have their own pages.

Any objections? --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 16:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to be of the opinion that if a team relocates to a new city it should be put on the same article. I know the NHL pages is different. I believe the NLL treats MN and Montreal as different franchise. I know at one point Albny redirect to SJ, but some Albany fan but not SJ fan did a lot of work on the Attack as a seperate page.

For the MLL as of now only the Barrage have relocated so that is not much of issue. Smith03 23:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: Actually the Bayhawks moved to DC (Washington Bayhawks) --Yarnalgo 01:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I believe that the old team has its own identity and deserves its own page, whether it lasted one year or five. Forcing the Washington Power into the Colorado Mammoth article restricts the ability to focus on Washington itself - where they played, how they did, what the fans were like, etc. Wikipedia is not paper. There is no reason why such restrictions should exist. Resolute 06:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think the current team page should reflect the entire history of the franchise (Colorado Mammoth pages should show them being formed in 1986 and having 2 titles. However, I agree that the prior incarnations should have their own page, with the facts just from the team's time in that city. Mountainhawk 01:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logos in team section of NLL

See Talk:National Lacrosse League#Logos in team section

[edit] OLA

Hey guys... I just got the stats for the OLA Junior B Lacrosse League from 1985 on... I will be adding them progressively and adding histories later. DMighton 04:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Stats for the Eastern Conference are posted and base pages created. DMighton 17:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Links in Members of the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame (alphabetical)

Some of the schools and affiliations in this article are red links. Please feel free to write articles or stubs!!!! Stoneice02 04:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

  • New York Women's Lacrosse Association
  • Boston Lacrosse Association
  • Boston Women's Lacrosse
  • Virginia Women's Lacrosse Association
  • Baltimore Lacrosse Club
  • Dartford College
  • USWLA
  • Baltimore Athletic Club
  • Crescent Athletic Club
  • US Team
  • Mount Washington Lacrosse Club
  • Philadelphia Team
  • Philadelphia Women's Lacrosse Association
  • St. Leonard's School
  • Connecticut Valley Lacrosse Club
  • Westchester Lacrosse Association

removed names that had articles but misnamed or in need of a redirct Smith03 01:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baltimore Bayhawks

are they relocating to DC? Smith03

Yes, it has already been announced (see Washington Bayhawks) but the move section needs a little work. --Yarnalgo 01:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NLL Weekly Awards

I wanted to create a page listing all of the weekly award winners in the NLL, but that's 12-16 winners per season, times 22 seasons, and in the last four seasons, there have been FOUR winners per week. This would be a rather huge table of players. Does anyone have any ideas on how to condense it a little, eg. maybe break it up into sub pages (i.e. Weekly Winners of the 1990's / 2000's)?

Thanks for any input. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 19:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The decades sounds good, however that is still, as you said, 12-16 winners per season for 10 seasons. You could also break it up between Eagle Pro, MILL, and NLL, only the problem is that the NLL would keep growing and it is already at 10 seasons. One last idea is to do Eagle Pro, MILL, NLL (90's), and NLL (00's). What do you think? --Yarnalgo 07:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Importance scale

I propose an an importance scale for the project be created. Should we vote on, say, twenty top-importance articles first and sort the others from there? Wwwhhh 10:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. We could rate them using a scale like this. We could also alter the project template so that if you had the importance parameter it would look something like this:

This article is part of the Lacrosse WikiProject, an attempt at improving the quality of pages related to the sport of lacrosse. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.
Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.
 view • talk • edit 

or whatever importance is was rated as. --Yarnalgo 01:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Why? Sure, we could rate the articles and change the template to have an importance tag, but what's the advantage of doing this, either to your average Wikipedia reader, or to those of us creating and editing lacrosse articles? --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 03:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
It would help new editors joining the project prioritising their efforts in editing the most important articles first, and it would give non-lacrosse players/editors an idea of the significance of each player/team/competition, etc. Wwwhhh 11:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm new here, but would concur. Several (to me) important names are missing, for example, primarily because they didn't play at the pro level. Having a ranking would help, as well as perhaps a quality level...? --Diogenes00 21:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I think I can be convinced. We could add one parameter to the template for importance (High, Mid, Low, <none>) and another for quality (the Albums WikiProject uses Stub, Start, B, Good, A, Feature). The defaults would be <none> for importance and "Stub" for quality, so just using {{Lacrosse}} will give you what you get now, plus a quality indicator of "Stub". For each article we look at, we could add or change the parameters, i.e. {{Lacrosse|importance=High|quality=B}}. The parameters could also be used to put articles in different quality-level categories as well (i.e. [[Category:A-class Lacrosse articles]]).

However, how do we determine the importance level? Something like Lacrosse, Gary Gait or Major League Lacrosse would likely be high importance, but what about articles on other players or teams? Should we come up with some kind of objective criteria (eg. "For a player to be marked as high-importance, he must have played in the NLL or MLL for at least five years, and either won a major award (eg. MVP) or more than one scoring title"), or just leave it up to the opinion of whoever's rating it? (Note that I just grabbed that criteria example off the top of my head - it wouldn't work for non-North American players, and doesn't take things like NCAA into account, so it would have to be a lot more detailed than that.) --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 02:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think that's a good start. You're right, it doesn't include NCAA or foreign players, but perhaps adding that if they received a major award at any level or represented their country in international competition, that'd rank as "High", perhaps? We don't necessarily need to have Washington College's 2nd string keeper from 92, but at least you'd get the major names in. (Note: apologies to Washington College's 2nd string keeper from 92)--Diogenes00 03:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

This is done. You can now specify {{Lacrosse|class=<cl>|importance=<imp>}} - the class and importance parameters are optional. cl describes the quality of the articles, and is one of "Stub", "Start", "B", "GA" (for Good articles), "A", or "FA" (for Featured articles) -- the quality scale is described here. imp describes the importance of the article, can be one of "Top", "High", "Mid", or "Low" -- the importance scale is described here. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 03:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice work. I suggest we discuss articles' importance on the importance grading scheme discussion page. Wwwhhh 06:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox addition / Flags screwed up?

I was looking at Gary Gait & noticed 1) there's no section for "college team" in the infobox, which to me would be a good addition (as I said, I'm biased towards the NCAA players) and 2) the Canadian flag is screwed up & shows some guy? Check out the Toronto Rock team, for example. Did somebody hack the template?--Diogenes00 03:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

? I don't know what you're talking about; it looks like a Canadian flag to me, maple leaf and all. --Yarnalgo 06:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Hrm. It does for me now as well...I swear, though, it didn't earlier...--Diogenes00 07:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Re: 1)NCAA in infobox -- I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but with some of the MLL players I have been adding NCAA team, for instance: Scott Urick, Kyle Harrison, Chris Rotelli. It does seem to be limited to either a OLA/WLA team, or an NCAA team, but that generally seems okay to me. Mitico 14:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Can someone contact whoever made the userboxes for the individual teams and ask them to maybe do the rest of the NLL? WestJet 19:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It's a wiki, dude, do it yourself! Seriously, I've been meaning to do the rest of them for a while but never got there. I'll try to do that over the next little while. They're pretty easy to do though -- edit an existing one and copy the code, then click on a non-existing one (they're listed here) and paste it, then change the links and colours, and you're done. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 20:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I made a Roughnecks one... WestJet 20:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

And the Rush... WestJet 21:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I did the rest of the NLL ones. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 04:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cannons move to Harvard Stadium

If you find anything that I missed, please make the appropriate edit. Stoneice02 21:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lacrosse re-nominated as Good Article

Hooray! Lacrosse has been re-nominated for Good Article status. It was nominated once before but failed. However, since then, the problems that were stated have been fixed (in my opinion). So let's all crosse (he he) our fingers and hope for the best. --Yarnalgo 00:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Player Articles

I've started going through all the HOF inductees to see who already has an article but isn't linked. So far I haven't found any, but I created a stub on William Beroza. I have gone through the ABC list and have gotten to C. If anyone could help, I'd appreciate it. Please just list what you've done so I don't duplicate it.

[edit] Mikey Powell/Connor Gill trade

I have updated the pages for Powell, Gill, Cannons, and Bayhawks. Stoneice02 20:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

MIKEY! not Casey! Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, Mikey! If you already did it for Casey, please change it! It's Mikey not Casey Powell. --Yarnalgo talk to me 02:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
lol... yes, I did it for Mike... I think there was only one place I accidently did Casey and someone already fixed it. Thanks for catching that, though. Stoneice02 02:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of MCLA teams

Work in progress. Stoneice02 23:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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