Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland

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[edit] The image in the template

Not sure what "burn all gifs" means, but the image was improved over the orignal. The topography one you suggested, Dab, sits in a big blue square and isn't transparent. The present one looks well next to the Northern Ireland template. Evertype 16:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

http://burnallgifs.org/archives/ was a fad when it looked like Unisys was going to try to enforce their patent on the GIF algorithm. It led (partially) the greater inclusion of PNGs as an alternative, but the new thing is to convert non-photographic images to SVG where appropriate. I think I can do that pretty easily for this GIF, if the project would find a scalable version more useful... -- nae'blis 18:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
If you like. The NI one is an SVG I think. Evertype 18:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Try this one, if you like:
It's a little darker, but I pulled the green from the official Flag of Ireland color. -- nae'blis 03:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
NIce, but the one we have is the same colour as the N.I. one, and they often appear on the same page. -- Evertype·✆ 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Volunteers

I'd like to help. I'm still a wiki novice, but I'm a competent writer and copyeditor. Dppowell 18:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! Help however you'd like! -- Evertype·✆ 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Should we more or les copy this? Template:WPNI Pauric 18:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Eeeek! No, heavens, no. See Talk:Ogham for more. -- Evertype·✆
Ah, gas. So... is Template:Irelandproj what Template:WPI should be? If so, why isn't it as such? If not... why isn't it as such? :P Pauric 18:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I guess it could be WPI, but Irelandproj is easier to remember. Or? I don't mind, but I wouldn't be interested in doing the cleanup after such a change. -- Evertype·✆ 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manual of style

Is it intended that the project's style manual will differ significantly from Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles)? Dppowell 22:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

How so? -- Evertype·✆ 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I thought that the creation of a style manual for this project was one of the goals; I saw that an Ireland related style manual already existed, and wondered whether we would adopt that, modify it or do something entirely separate. Dppowell 18:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Against a new manual of style; just integrate the one that exists. Djegan 20:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ICOTW

A template on the ICOTW page says it's inactive and only kept for historical interest, yet it's front and center on the WikiProject Ireland page. Should we remove the inactive tag? Dppowell 16:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Is ICOTW active? Or is it superceded in some way by WikiProject Ireland? -- Evertype·✆ 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, that was more or less my question, since we've got the banner at the top of the project page. :) Dppowell 18:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saint Patrick's Flag

I've added this to the Ireland project, as its sister article Flag of Scotland is listed in the Scotland project. A goal would be to get the articles of Saint Patrick's Flag and the Flag of Scotland to look somewhat similar in format. --Dulcimerist 02:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. We need to get an image for the Lighthouses, too, since the one we had is apparently deleted. -- Evertype·✆ 17:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
What lighthouses? I have done some work on Lighthouses in Ireland and some of the individual articles. ww2censor 05:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

St Andrew's and St Patrick's cross pages will never look the same for long. One is accepted almost universally and the other, to put it mildly is not. robgilbertson

[edit] Mary I of England

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[edit] History of Ireland

I'd like to nominate the goal of getting History of Ireland up to "good article" status as a prelude to a nomination for Featured Article. Dppowell 18:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update: Box for Project Members, Memberlist

This user is a member of WikiProject Ireland.

I made this box based on the one for Wikiproject Scotland. I used the project page graphic, but it would be nice if we had one that looked a bit smoother. I'll see if I can find one. P.S. I think this one looks better. --Kathryn NicDhàna 22:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm also going to see about setting up a sub-page for the Project Members List, so the box can link to that. As it is, our userpages are listed as part of the Project, which is not ideal. --Kathryn NicDhàna 01:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, that seems to have worked. I notice some other project pages have participants listed on both the main page and the sub-page. If we do that, is there some way it can be set up that signing on one list puts someone on both?

[edit] Categories

Working on these, but may be in a bit over my head as I seem to be making a lot of mistakes. --Kathryn NicDhàna 02:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ballybeg, County Waterford

Another editor has applied a {{prod}} tag to Ballybeg, County Waterford. Please take a look at the article and improve it if possible. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 14:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure it shouldn't be deleted, to be honest. It seems to have been created exclusively for the purpose of being offensive, and even if that were not the case, do housing developments really need their own articles? I vote no, unless there's something unique about them.Dppowell 04:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Celtic Tiger

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[edit] Norman Conquest of ireland

I've just looked around for a history of the Norman Conquest of Ireland / Norman Invasion of Ireland. There is an article on Norman Ireland and a rough list of Norman officers for the Invasion under the article, Norman Invasion of Ireland, but no actual history of the even itself.

Has this been mentioned before? Anybody able to help begin a more proper article on the Invasion? Comments? --sony-youth 18:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

There's some limited treatment of the topic in History of Ireland, but feel free to expand upon or rewrite the existing invasion article. Dppowell 18:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay ... I've hobbled something together, mainly form the Norman Ireland article, but at least it forms a basis for future development. Will look into researching more. --sony-youthtalk 13:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Joyce

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[edit] James II of England

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[edit] Order of St. Patrick

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[edit] Reconciling Ireland and British Isles in modern and historical contexts

Two other editors and I are trying to have a real, measured discussion about how to best acknowledge Ireland's historical & modern relationships with the term British Isles. So far, it's just attracting IP trolls. Anyone interested in kicking the topic around in a cool-headed manner? Visit Talk:Ireland. Dppowell 14:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ryanair FAR

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[edit] Aoife and Strongbow photos from inside Christ's Church

I want to add to the Aoife MacMurrough article. As far as I know she was burried inside Christ's Church but have never set foot in the pace and am not anywhere near Dublin anymore. I know the tomb of Stongbow was destroy centuries ago (the one inside there is a fake), but don't know if Aoife's still exists.

Would it be possible could someone in Dublin to take a photo of the tombs? Preferable, an individual shot of each and a joint one. Also could you check out what inscriptions are about it - was Aoife's destroyed too? (Or was it ever there to begin with?) --sony-youthtalk 14:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irish language POV edits

Would someone with better Irish language and history/geopgraphic skills than I have a look at the recent edits (maybe the older ones too) of anon user 83.71.162.221's contributions as they look distinctly Irish language POV to me even if the intent is accurate. Cheers ww2censor 18:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

  • this the same editor who's posting as User:Each inis and has been making personal attacks? [1] [2]. They've been warned already for WP:NPA and will soon be blocked if they keep that up - Alison✍ 19:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Alison, you are quick to respond. Should the edits all be reverted? Thanks ww2censor 19:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Only if they're incorrect or POV or whatever. If they keep up with the personal attacks though, report them on WP:AIV - Alison✍ 19:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
From what I seen all of the place names they are changing are in Gaeltacht areas. Since 2003 the names of these places have been Irish only (see Official Languages Act). Strictly speaking, the English-language name does not exist anymore. Its like Mumbai (see that Bombay redirects there). I don't think that this is anywhere near POV - maybe like Mumbai, it could be argued that (strictly speaking, I'm not suggesting it), the names of these places should be moved and to the ("new") official name and redirected from the "old" one. One this point, actually the editor is quite conciliatory - they could just as well have deboldened the English-language name (and put it in brackets) rather than embolden both (and leave the official name in brackets). Its similar to what is done where two names exist for the same thing, even on something as innocuous as Imperial units.
Incidentally, from what I've seen these edits were done by someone who seems to know a lot about place-names and the origin geographic of family names. --sony-youthtalk 21:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Well sony-youth may well be quite correct, that's why I wanted some input from those who might know better than I to look at the edits. ww2censor 02:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of arms

Is the coat of arms Image:COA IRELAND.PNG free? It is based on another image that has been uploaded to Wikipedia as fair use (Image:Ireland coa.png). --Eleassar my talk 14:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Replied on the image talk page. --sony-youthtalk 10:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portals

Shall we make a Republic of Ireland portal? There's an Ireland as an island one and a North one, but none for the South. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 21:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Personaaly I think one for the whole of Ireland is best, with no separate ones for the 6 and 26 counties necessary. Derry Boi 22:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

There's a guy at the Ireland portal that keeps reverting to the British imposed "St. Patricks cross" as the flag for Ireland which I find rather offensive. I changed it the other day to the tri-colour, the flag that best represents Ireland imo, some alternative on this on the related talk page at Portal:Ireland/Intro would be appreciated. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 01:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is there any use...

...for this aincent (Literally, in more then one ways) image? 68.39.174.238 19:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Henry VIII of England FAR

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[edit] Brian O'Driscoll collaboration

Hey. At WikiProject Rugby union, Brian O'Driscoll is now the collaboration of the fortnight. I looked at this project's collaboration page and was thinking about nominating the same article here. Unfortunately I'm not sure your collaboration page is still active! If any WikiProject Ireland members wish to help with the Brian O'Driscoll article it would be greatly appreciated. - Shudda talk 21:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Irish-Scots up for deletion

The category "Irish Scots" (i.e. Scots of recent Irish origin, rather than Scots-Irish is up for deletion - please see discussion Here. --MacRusgail 18:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I.R.A. WikiProject?

Hi all, I'm rather new to the Wiki (just joined up a few days ago), but the whole WikiProject concept seems like an effective tool for gathering a group of people together to work on a specific subject. I'm primarily interested in contributing to areas related to Irish nationalism, and the Irish Republican Army, and I've noticed a few of you have quite a lot of involvement in the same area. So, I wonder if anyone would be interested in forming a WikiProject focusing on Irish Nationalism? Wikipeda:WikiProject Irish Republican Army seems like a good title to me! WP:WPIRA would be a great shortcut! I'm posting this up on many different pages, so I would especially appreciate it if, if you're interested, you would join me at User talk:Johnathan Swift#WikiProject IRA. Erin Go Bragh 06:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Wow, what an unbelievably bad idea. I can't think of any use of a wikiproject more likely to create controversy. Kevlar67
  • Thing is, Wikipedia articles are supposed to be neutral and unbiased. The fact you sign the idea Erin Go Bragh means you are probably not the best person to do it. No offence intended. You may well be in a good position to contribute on something else though. Tá ár lá anois. robgilbertson

[edit] Need Irish Wikipedians to talk to Irish Independent

Hi, My name is Sandy - Just started working as communications manager for Wikimedia Foundation. The Irish Independent is looking for wikpedians in Ireland to interview. If someone is interested, could you please send me an email at sordonez@wikimedia.org. 2/12/07. WikiBlue

[edit] Notability of James McKeown (Sinn Fein) and Jack McKee

Another editor prodded the James McKeown (Sinn Fein) article, saying that the person was not notable. I wasn't sure, so I removed the {{prod}}, but perhaps someone reading this message might be able to expand the article (or to tag it as not notable, if you don't think that the article is worth keeping). The article Jack McKee about a council member in Larne also has a notability tag on it. Perhaps someone could expand that article and add references to it as well. --Eastmain 05:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar school

The article grammar school currently lacks a section on what the term might mean in Ireland. If anyone who knows about the history of education in Ireland would like to add a sentence or two on the lines of the sections for other English-speaking countries it would be good. Or more if it's warranted. Thanks. Itsmejudith 13:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Representative peer FAR

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[edit] The Synod of Cashel, 1172

This subject has become something of an embarassment for Wikipedia, but because I'm not that familiar with this period of Irish history (up to about AD 800-900 I feel that I'm relatively competant) I'm asking for help here. In Celtic Christianity -- & related mentions of this Synod/Council -- the "Synod of Cashel" (held in 1172) has become the alleged end point for Celtic Christianity, & with that all Irish Christians became Roman Catholics. Needless to say, I believe (obviously) that despite a number of variant practices (most of which were all changed centuries before to conform with wider Catholic norms), Irish Christians had been proper Catholics long before.

However, I'm not quite sure why this Synod had been convened; what was decided in Cashel that year? Correction of points of doctrine or dogma? Administrative reforms? Or was it simply another step in English aggression against local Irish rule (e.g., the existing bishops of Ireland were all replaced with Anglophile candidates)? BTW, it might be relevant that King Henry II of England had invaded Ireland the year before.

Can anyone provide details (with the needed cites to help confound the kooks & tendentious editors) on this Synod so we can solve this problem for once & for all? My thanks in advance. -- llywrch 20:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for keeping you waiting. This is what I found:
1)"The origins of Cashel as an ecclesiastical centre go back to the grant by Murtagh O'Brien of the Rock to the Church and the subsequent synod in 1101. At the Synod of Rathbreasail (1111), which fixed its boundaries, it and Armagh were proposed as the two Irish metropolitan sees. When the four province system was set up at the Synod of Kells (1152), Cashel became a the de jure metropolitan of the southern province. Henry II of England received the submission of the southern bishops in Cashel in 1172 and convened several reform synods. In the 13th and 14th centuries its bishop was elected by the chapter and there was a notable number of Cistercian and Franciscan bishops. In subsequent centuries there were numerous cases of royal interventions in the provisions of archbishops. [3]
2) Sir Charles Bruce in British Empire Review  :— ‘In 1172 Henry II of England, supported by a Bull of Pope Adrian IV, the only Englishman who ever occupied the papal chair, assumed the title of King of Ireland and consolidated his dominions by an organised system of expropriation of the Irish and re-settlement by large grants made to Norman barons. This was the origin of the land question in Ireland and of a policy designed to solve it by rooting out the Irish from the soil, confiscating the property of the septs, and planting the country with English tenants. Had Ireland been left to itself, the Norman invasion would probably have followed the course of the Norman invasion of England, and resulted in an Anglo-Irish union consolidated by intermarriage. But every step towards such a union was met by enactments of the English Government prohibiting the adoption by English settlers of Irish customs and the Irish language, while intermarriage was punished by mutilation and death.’ Harry Stoteles 23:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Éire FAR

Éire has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Straw poll of Republic of Ireland title change

I've opened a straw poll on support for a change to the title of the Republic of Ireland article and related articles. --sony-youthtalk 21:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] disambiguate links to Cork, Ireland

Hi. I sometimes go through the links to "Cork" in an effort to fix links erroneously pointing at the disambiguation page. Some obviously should link to the city, the county or a sports team (or bottle stoppers and floor tiles). Unfortunately there are quite a few that I can tell are Irish, but I don't know exactly which article they should link to, so leave them pointing to another more specific disambiguation page, Cork, Ireland. Could someone from Ireland please review Special:Whatlinkshere/Cork, Ireland sometimes and fix these links properly? I find that Wikipedia:Popups is a nice tool to make this work quicker and simpler. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 21:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Culchie

Can someone look at Culchie for me please? The additions by an IP look like vandalism to me but may be useful for the article - or you may get a laugh. I think I've reverted enough for now. Edits. - Ctbolt 13:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

  • LOL!! I looked and that list is hilarious :) Every one of them true, of course! It's a pity though that 1) it's not encyclopedic and 2) it originated on soc.culture.irish a good few years back. - Alison☺ 14:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • its a list that has been doing the rounds on an email for over five years now, mildly amusing but not encyclopedic.--Vintagekits 18:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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