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Contents 1 Workgroup-level quality statistics 2 Project directory 3 Wikipedia Day Awards 4 Port Blair 5 Chennai/Mumbai area locator map 6 neighborhoods 7 Population 8 Lead in section concern 9 Skyline image 10 Villages and Towns in India 11 Salvageable article? 12 Mumbai suburbs and neighbourhoods 13 City infoboxes 14 Scope of this project

[edit] Workgroup-level quality statistics

Please read. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 08:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Port Blair

someone might want to fix the location of Port Blair on its infobox map.. doesn't appear to be correct ;) (you'll notice its at the lower-lefthand corner.) drumguy8800 C T 07:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chennai/Mumbai area locator map

Just created location map for chennai. Some fine tuning necessary here on the top left and bottom right coordinates of the map. The map is not complete and i just put it together using google maps (god bless them), i will modify it later over the next weekend. Right now pls look into implementing it in infoboxes. As i get time will create maps for other metros -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 20:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Chennai infobox created, Ive added it to a few pages as a test to check positioning, see Mylapore for example. Template can be edited here [1]. We need to decide what fields need to be included. We can then have similiar infoboxes for all metros. Hopefully no issues with the map-- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 15:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Mumbai locator map is now online, please make use of them -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 09:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] neighborhoods

i have asked this before, but got no response. does noone think it is a good idea to have a separate section titled neighborhoods for each city? --ti 19:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it would fragment the article too much, and would give rise to all sorts of people adding their local neighbourhoods prominence. The best would be to include general content under =Layout= =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Population

I edited the population figures at Varanasi, and cited them from UP Gov. website. Now the problem is that the new data is totally incoherent with WorldGazetteer one.

Secondly, the infobox has no place to site. Currently the link is between the number and /km² number.

Some one, any one, who has more idea of what actually is going on here, and what is the trend for other Indian cities' article, please help with the correct data.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 20:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead in section concern

Nikkul (talk • contribs) has expressed concern about the lead in section in Indian cities, and have added a table with image on top of the infobox:Indian urban area, claiming that it improves article look-and-feel and should be used. I have suggested him to look into this project's article format, but he has re-inserted the hard-coded table on top of the infobox/locator map at New Delhi, Chennai. Since I am not a member of this project, and don't know about the consensus about article format, can someone look into his edits and see if that image-style adheres to whatever structure you guys came up with, for the city articles? Thanks. --Ragib 00:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

He's supposed to raise it up on this page, as I've told him, not make unilateral changes. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, I just dont see what would be so wrong about including an image of a famous city landmark or a skyline as part of the infobox. The standard wikipedia city box uses this code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_City) as does almost every wikipedia city page. Some cities that have them are Shanghai, new york city, dubai, london, paris, beijing, taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore City, frankfurt...and i could keep going on. Is it that big a sin to add a pic that a city is known for? Nikkul 16:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I do not see anything wrong in incorporating the image of a wellknown city landmark in the infobox. However, I am not aware about any technical parameters that have to be added (to Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction) or any problems that may arise. One problem that may arise is the infobox, in most cases, would protrude into the next section (etymology or history). This would not look good.What do others say?--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

A skyline is supposed to showcase just that, not a landmark. The main reason is the resolution, which the width should be far greater than the height. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

In the United States and other western nations, cities were planned carefully. A business district was set up where commerce could prosper. Today, these are the downtowns and the skylines are views of these buildings. In India, we do not have a set downtown. Thus, a skyline can't and doesnt show the city. A landmark, on the other hand, would better suit cities which do not have a skyline like delhi. Landmarks could be rotated by voting on selected pictures that do not push the infobox too low. For example, anyone who has been to Paris knows that the city does not have a skyline at all. This is why the most famous landmark, La Tour Eiffel, is on their infobox. This would be a much better suit for Indian cities. Similar things have been done to Taipei, Paris, london, karachi, islamabad, rome, etc. These cities are very much like Indian cities in that they dont have skylines. Since this is an encyclopedia we must conform. Nikkul 13:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skyline image

Hi everyone, we seem to have a dispute on all our city articles as to what goes as a skyline image. I propose the following:

1. The image should be a skyline of the city. Having a specific monument would be open to subjective interpretation, and possible future edit warring.
2. The skyline in question should be a panorama. (ie the aspect ratio should be high: width > height). The reason for this that we have a decent locator map in each of our city articles. If the height it too much, it is going to push the map too low and make a mess of the infobox.
3. Now examples of such images have been cited as per Beijing, San Fransisco etc. The infoboxes used there are quite different, they also have the city seal and flag in the header, and the map comes down much later.

Thoughts on the image would be welcome. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment:Can this be considered a skyline? Its not panorama, though.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

  It can be considered as it can be cropped further. But there's hardly any information in the image to show the cityscape for it to be suitable. See some of the images on Skyline =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

May be this almost qualifies. However, the image quality is not good.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Should qualify as a basic skyline. But are there some unique & recognisable buildings on the image? Like Manhattan would have the Empire States, Mumbai would have the Air India building. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

In the United States and other western nations, cities were planned carefully. A business district was set up where commerce could prosper. Today, these are the downtowns and the skylines are views of these buildings. In India, we do not have a set downtown. Thus, a skyline can't and doesnt show the city. A landmark, on the other hand, would better suit cities which do not have a skyline like delhi. Landmarks could be rotated by voting on selected pictures that do not push the infobox too low. For example, anyone who has been to Paris knows that the city does not have a skyline at all. This is why the most famous landmark, La Tour Eiffel, is on their infobox. This would be a much better suit for Indian cities. Similar things have been done to Taipei, Paris, london, karachi, islamabad, rome, etc. These cities are very much like Indian cities in that they dont have skylines. Since this is an encyclopedia we must conform. Nikkul 13:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a false statement. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Villages and Towns in India

Hi. I am planning to create stubs for villages/towns in India. I started with villages/towns at tehsil (sub-district) level as given in [2]. Later i plan to do this for all villages in a particular sub-division. At present I am using WP:AWB to create the missing pages. I am using the template shown below to create the articles.

{{Infobox Indian Jurisdiction
| native_name        = {{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}
| type               = 
| locator_position   = right
| latd               = 
| longd              = 
| state_name         = Andhra Pradesh
| district           = Visakhaptnam
| leader_title       = 
| leader_name        = 
| altitude           = 
| population_as_of   = 
| population_city    = 
| population_rank    = 
| population_total   = 
| population_density = 
| area_magnitude     = 
| area_total         = 
| area_telephone     = 
| postal_code        = 
| vehicle_code_range = AP-31
| unlocode           = 
| footnotes          = 
}}


'''{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}''' is a village and a [[Subdivisions of India|Mandal]] in [[Visakhapatnam district]] in the state of [[Andhra Pradesh]] in [[India]]. <ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.censusindia.net/results/Tahsil_Codes.xls
|title=List of Sub-Districts 
|publisher=Census of India
|accessdate=2007-03-09 
}}</ref>

== References ==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Mandals in Visakhapatnam district]]


{{AndhraPradesh-geo-stub}}
</nowiki>

I requested for bot approval to automate this (hopefully it would be approved). I need some suggestions to improve this.

1. Please comment on the contents the template.
2. Is the infobox shown above ok? Do we have a better infobox?
3. Can I add some more useful info apart from the one shown above?

Some of the articles created using this template can be found here.--(Sumanth|Talk) 04:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Towns use the same infobox as cities. But for villages, many of the fields would be useless. Instead I suggest the following fields:

1. Location (coordinates)
2. State
3. District
4. Area
5. Population
6. Post code
7. STD code

=Nichalp «Talk»= 07:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I suppose I can just remove the unwanted fields from the "Indian Jurisdiction" info box and use it for villages. --(Sumanth|Talk) 03:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

You can also include the taluka/tehsil. That would be very useful. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I will use the following info box for villages. I am considering any place which is not present in this list as a village.

{{Infobox Indian Jurisdiction
| native_name        = 
| type               = Village
| locator_position   = 
| latd               = 
| longd              = 
| state_name         = 
| district           = 
| sub divison        = 
| area_telephone     = 
| postal_code        = 
| footnotes          = 
}}

--(Sumanth|Talk) 07:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me. We can also incorporate an optional picture in the infobox. It will look better on the page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Probably one at the bottom of the infobox. --(Sumanth|Talk) 09:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salvageable article?

Is the article PALANGAD salvageable? I'm unable to improve it as the place has no Google hits. I'm tempted to propose for deletion, but I'd like to hear other thoughts. Thanks. -SpuriousQ (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I searched for palangad and narikkuni in Panchayats in Kozhikode district. None of them are present in the list. But it doesn't guarantee that the village doesn't exist. It could be a revenue village in Kerala. --(Sumanth|Talk) 03:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for looking into it. I feel a bit weird even rewriting the article to conform to NPOV without verifying that it exists. I've tagged the article as unsourced and asked the author if he knows of any sources... if none are provided in a few days, I'll probably prod it. -SpuriousQ (talk) 02:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Here ya go [3], even palangad cant escape from wikimapia ;) looking at the placemarks it seems every second hut has net access. On a side note i dont see any signs of a town anywhere -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 12:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It has hits on google [4] =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mumbai suburbs and neighbourhoods

I think there needs to be some guidelines for ca'ting an article as a suburb or a neighbourhood. See Category:Mumbai neighbourhoods and Category:Suburbs of Mumbai . Should Andheri for example be a suburb or a neighbourhood? Its outside the city district, but where are the city limits? -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 13:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The definition of Mumbai includes both the city and suburban districts. Together they form the metropolis of Mumbai, or what is (now rarely) called Greater Mumbai. Mumbai city only includes the city area. Suburbs start at Bandra/Sion and extend past the city limits. In general, they refer to all stops on the three suburban lines. Mumbai neighbourhoods on the other hand only includes places within the metropolitan limits of Mumbai. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City infoboxes

I noticed that we have created seperate infoboxes for each city for use in suburbs/neighbourhoods. Example, Template:Infobox Chennai place. Is there a reason, why these cannot be merged into Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction with a type=suburb. If that is not possible, create a single infobox for all Indian suburbs and neighbourhoods. I think we will have less maintanance effort if we standardize on using one-infobox for all. Please comment. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 20:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Can localised fields such as ward etc also be displayed? =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

This can also be done for villages too. See above post. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I had created those templates as a test bed and i have requested Saravsak to do the job of integrating it with the indian infobox. But we do need to discuss what are the required fields for a neighbourhood -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 15:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scope of this project

A bit of a dispute has arisen over the appropriateness of material to include in the Madikeri article. This is a town with a population of about 30 000. Others have been adding certain content, I've been removing some of it. Discussions are at User talk:Amarrg and User talk:Imc. It seems the additions are in line with the guidelines set by this project. These guidelines state that they apply to 'cities', sometimes to 'towns' but without a statement of what cities are and what towns are. In this case they are being applied to a relatively small town. I'm questioning some aspects of the appropriateness of these guidelines to such towns here. I suggest that statement of the scope of this project or of its constituent parts is needed – i.e. saying what sort of places they apply to.

First, is it appropriate to add information here in Wikipedia on how to get to every town by rail and air, even when there is no railway line or airport anywhere near? This after all is travel guide information and is / should be included in wikitravel.

Such information would certainly be appropriate to those places with rail stations and airports. It may be appropriate to include such information on a page for a region of appropriate level. In the case of Madikeri, this may be the district (Kodagu in this case), since the lack of air and rail facilities affects the whole of Kodagu. Without a statement of where such content is appropriate, such information could be added for every village and small town on the grounds that this is 'mandatory'.

Second, on a related question, I'd also question the inclusion of the 'culture' section for every town, it seems to me that culture heading should only be there if the local culture is significantly distinct from the culture of the surrounding region. In most cases for smaller towns, whatever is written about the district / state /region would be sufficient. Where there are distinctions, the descriptions for the town could be limited to describing how it is different. Imc 16:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

To answer your questions:

1. Towns are also covered under this wikiproject
2. how to get to every town -- Firstly, no, we don't tell a reader how to get there, we tell them the nearest railhead and airport that serves the town.
3. Secondly, a population of 30,000 is not an impediment. See Kalimpong and Gangtok with populations of ~50,000 that are featured. (The structure is a little different there, but that's because they were written before the wikiproject came along.)
4. Regarding culture, we try to put in as much as local detail as possible, but also stuff that may overlap with the surrounding areas. City encyclopedic articles are written as single units of content, so a reader in Mexico reading about Kalimpong can easily learn about the culture of the city without having to read the article on Darjeeling district for information on the same, which may not be fully applicable to Kalimpong.

I hope this answers your questions. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)