Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse breeds
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[edit] How do I join?
I know a lot about horse breeds, and I probably have at least 3-5 books only on horse breeds. I dont have a ton of time to spend on this project but I do have a lot of information. Can somebody message me back?? --Runningcupcake03 03:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- There are a lot of horse breed articles here already, many written by people who actually work with a given breed. The problem is that they are uneven in quality. My suggestion is to start with the smaller articles and fact-check them, adding citations from your books to verify some of the information or to correct things that are not accurate. Also, some of them have a lot of "POV-pushing" and need work on neutrality. (For example, I am frequently going through various articles and removing things like "this breed is the most wonderful in the world," or "these horses suck"!)
However, do proceed with caution and check the discussion pages before diving in head first and making major edits. Sometimes there are land mines out there that have to be handled carefully. Many of the articles were created by people who are very knowledgable about the breed, just not real good writers.
Another thing that is needed are more public domain images uploaded to wikipedia. Any time you can find a good horse photo or diagram that is free to use, it sure helps to upload it and put it into category "horses" so we can access it. We have a real need right now for an image with the parts of the saddle...the one we had wasn't a free license and it got deleted!
Last but not least, we constantly need to remove links to "my horse farm" pages and chat forum pages per wikipedia guidelines.
Hope this gives you some ideas. Montanabw 00:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moved page
I have moved this page in accordance to customs on Wikiproject, it should have a big H in Horse breeds Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 19:20, 2004 May 13 (UTC)
[edit] Some advice
- Country of origin is not always the same as 'The german horse' it can be from austria, there are some strange leagal reasons for this ( germany & austria are random examples, but this is true in at least one case )
- I dont know what it's called in english but different horse breeds have different 'walking' that is there are usually four modes which they can walk in, there are a total of five and only one has all five ( icelanic ) the other ones differ amongst what four they have. Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 21:59, 2004 May 13 (UTC)
[edit] Category stratgy
To whom it may concern: Please feel free to visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/Categories because I think that structuring horse articles and Dog articles could take a similar tack--would be nice to use same subcategories for consistency. Elf | Talk 04:15, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] New horse breed template--need your help
I need your help if you know something about horses. I've create a new template for adding a standardized infobox to each horse listed in List of horse breeds. The template is shown here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse breeds and there's a sample with minimal information in American Paint Horse. The problem is that I don't really know what should or could go in the box. For example, for the Dog breeds template, we can identify specific major breed registry organizations. But for horses, is that true? And what else makes sense to go in the table--e.g., "type"? (Draft, pony,...what else?) Please respond at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse breeds. Thanks! Elf | Talk 23:21, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Looks to me like the dog breeds don't use the template consistently. I know that it's kind of a PITA to edit. Over in the 50 states where the templates are used a lot, it seems more a distraction. But that's just IMHO. If it works, fine. Montanabw 17:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] HORSE BREEDS HELP
Hi my name is laura and I know more than I need to about horse breeds. I just stumbled upon this site today (I have never been on here befor but WOW) and was very dissapointed to see there is no information on the BASHKIR CURLY which is a PONY BREED (not a horse). There is always limited information about them because they are a fairly old but unpopular/rarer breed. I was also surprised to see the PALOMINO listed as a "breed" which is very false. A horse cannot merly be a palomino; it must be a palomino QH etc. Palomino is merly a color as chestnut, dun, paint, roan, bay, etc... Anyways. if any info is needed about whatever the site you are working on is (I had trouble understanding what is was exactly was needed) let me know. spring_cutie@hotmail.com LAURA
Profiles should be created for breeds that can or must be double-registered. In the profiles any criteria required for registry as the particular breed should be identified. For example, the Palomino entry should not that the term can either identify any horse of a certain coloration or specificly refer to horses registered with the Palomino Horse Breeders of America. Similarly, entries should be made for each warmblood breed (eg., Oldenburg, Dutch Warmblood, etc.) despite the fact that the pedigrees for these horses often include horses from multiple breeds. Postscriptpct 22:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)PostScriptPCT
When doing breed proflies care should be taken to distinguish between a breed registry and a coloration of the same name. An Appaloosa is a horse registered with the ApHC. An appaloosa is a horse with appaloosa markings. The same holds true for Palomino, Pinto and Buckskin. Capitalization means the horse belongs to the breed (color) registry. Lower case means the color by itself. You can have appaloosa marked, palomino horses that don't belong to ApHC or PHBA. And you can also have an Appaloosa with secondary registry Palomino papers. too.Apphistorian 20:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Good tip on the capitalization thing, though probably unenforcable. Many an edit war around here over what's a color, what's a color "breed," and what's a breed with a color preference or standard. (Just check out the edit history of the Friesian horse article...sigh) And its obviously impracticable to create two different wikipedia articles on a color versus a color breed... And this is complicated by the fact that wikipedia is worldwide...so people with Palominos - or palominos - in, say, Australia, don't give a flying whoop about the American registries, and I have to admit, they don't have to... Montanabw 04:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
It really doesn't boil down to breed registries, it boils down to what genetic researchers classify the genes that create different colors. This is why a background in color genetics is handy when writing or editing color articles. One of the best resources on color is The Appaloosa Project. They don't just study color patterns, they study color interactions. I've been a member of the Project list since its inception and they have certainly blown apart several of the old color myths. Of course breeding loud colored Appaloosas for 35 years helps too. Writing about Appaloosas for various stock horse publications has certainly broadened the range of information that I have about color breeds.Apphistorian 04:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Breeders
Are we going to list breeders here? They are not part of the stucture of info for cats or dogs and think this wouldn't be suitable for here either if we are to follow the same logical order. LdyDragonfly 16:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely not. Wikipedia says no commercial links...Montanabw 00:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Templates
I think the templates are good, but I had trouble using them--especially the breed standards, which always came out with a weird formatting. I think including breed standard in the template is worthwhile, but I didn't fill out any for the above reason.
Laura--I know the palomino is a color not a breed, but apparently there are some (seems like a lot of QH folks) that are convinced it is. However, I believe there is a registration for it, which may be the cause of some of the confusion. Eventer
Palomino is a color. Any breed can have palomino as long as the presence of the Cream (Cr) gene is there. Palominos are created by breeding chestnuts to a horse with the cream gene. The result is a palomino. If you breed the palomino to another palomino you get a cremello. Cremellos, usually blue-eyed, very light-toned horses, were orginally thought to be Albinos. The cream gene changes various coat colors to lighter versions; Chestnut becomes palomino, black becomes smokey black, bay becomes buckskin, red dun becomes dunalino, yellow dun becomes dunskin. Add two cream genes and palomino becomes cremello, buckskin become perlino. The American Palomino Breeders Association is a color breed regsitry, just like the Pinto Horse Association. Color is what counts, not bloodlines.Apphistorian 20:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wildlife Barnstar
There is currently a barnstar proposal at Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/New Proposals#Wildlife Barnstar for a barnstar which would be available for use for this project. Please feel free to visit the page and make any comments you see fit. Badbilltucker 15:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed Veterinary medicine project
There is now a proposed project at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Veterinary Medicine to deal with matters of veterinary medicine, a subject which currently has disproportionately low content in wikipedia. Any wikipedia editors who have an interest in working on content related to the subject are encouraged to indicate as much there. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I would have to recommend strongly against posting anything but the basics for any veterinary article. Posting recommended medications, doses and or treatments could result in liability issues if the poster is not a licensed veterinarian. If the author is a licensed veterinarian they are still taking the risk of liability because they have not physically examined the animal with the problem. Misdiagnosing or misdosing by the pet's owner could result in fatalities. The limit should probably not extend beyond a list of diseases, with their most prevalent symptoms and then links to veterinary related pages such as the AAEP or the AVMA.Apphistorian 20:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- IMHO, Badbill, one of the tasks that would be useful is to just straighten out the categories and find the articles already out there, wikilink them to others and place them in proper categories so they can be located--there are actually a lot of articles on various horse ailments, but try finding them.... Montanabw 03:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Breeds notability guidelines
There are currently a number of active discussions for deletion regarding some little known breeds of dogs. It occurs to me that there might occasionally also arise situations where the same thing is faced in horse breeds. It has been proposed that perhaps a guideline for Notability (breeds) be established. Personally, I have no acquaintance with writing such guidelines, and certainly am completely unqualified to write regarding horse breeds. If anyone who has some experience regarding this sort of thing would care to do so, I and I think several others would be immensely appreciative. Thank you. Badbilltucker 00:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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- If it is a recognized breed, it is notable — no matter how widely known the breed is. If someone chooses to take the time to write about an obscure horse breed, there is no harm in it. The only harm might come when someone else wants to learn about that breed and can't find it in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not paper! --Jpbrenna 17:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
