Wikipedia talk:WikiProject First aid

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I'm excited about this project! I edited defibrillator today. JamieJones talk 00:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome aboard! Feel free to advertise, add to work I've already started etc. --John24601 22:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi. A little bit of advice for you; you may wish to read the Wikipedia:WikiProject article, which offers help to get you started on a Wikiproject. You may also want to transfer this page to a formal WikiProject page instead of a User page as you will be more likely to attract assistance from others. Road Wizard 22:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Hiya - have read that article, and am following its recomendation by starting it off in user space, and generating a bit of support before I create a proper wikiproject. Thanks for the heads up though :-d --John24601 22:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Is there any parentage for this project?--Steven Fruitsmaak | Talk 14:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I gave up on it...seems I was the only one using the list and documenting changes! JamieJones talk 17:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Getting the word out (moved from project page)

Each page I edit, I've added this tag in italics to the top of the page:

''You can help maintain this page by joining [[User:John24601/Wikiprojectfirstaid|Wikipedia First Aid Project]]''.

I think it'll help get volunteers. You can cut and paste the above too! JamieJones talk 12:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Notices for formal WikiProjects should only be left on article talk pages. The fact that this is currently an unofficial WikiProject and that you have left notices in the main article space may aggravate some editors and cause the opposite reaction to the one you intended. You may wish to consider moving the notices to the article talk pages instead :). Road Wizard 17:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, move them to talk pages please --John24601 12:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
My bad. Apologies. JamieJones talk 22:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Is anyone else logging there changes here as i am doing? Am I missing something?


Why are all these first aid articles so awful?? And why do they all have bad grammer howto sections? -- St.isaac 07:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, that's the reason I started the project a while back, although have recently been sidetracked by a whole mountain of real-life work! Thanks for getting the ball rolling properly, and hopefully now I'm a bit less busy IRL I can offer some help! --John24601 20:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe take advantage of the "other side"? (moved from project page)

Noticed a lot of these articles have how-to info on them, and thought I might point out that there's a wikibook on first aid that could certainly use some attention as well. I'd be happy to help you with the transwiki process, as it's often incorrectly done. --SB_Johnny | talk 11:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC) (wikibooks userpage)

I think that's a good idea, as the first aid article will almost certainly need to be completely rewritten anyway. St.isaac 23:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like an excellent idea - let me know what I can do to help with it. I've already written a little bit on the wikibook a loooooooong time ago, but it struck me that really the whole thing needs grasping by the horns, so to speak, to give it a good edit. --John24601 20:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi again. One thing you should keep in mind when improving the articles listed on the project page is that the how-to sections can be brought over to the book as well, and merged in. If you need stubs deleted to make room for new transwikis, let me know on my talk page at wikibooks (I'm an admin there). I'd love to see the book greatly improved, since it would be nice to have a solid first-aid training manual under the GFDL. --SB_Johnny | talk 21:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization of "first aid"

Hello! I'm a copy editor by profession, and the other day I was debating whether "first aid" should be capitalized. I can't find any evidence to support the capitalization. Anyone want to make a case for it?

[edit] Re: Pressure Points

I say leave in, they are within the scope of first aid. I presume Jamie's viewpoint comes from the fact that the major voluntary aid societies are not teaching it on their basic first aid courses (at least that's the case in the UK). Other awarding bodies are, however, doing so; and there is widespread acceptance of pressure points as part of "advanced" first aid measures. Furthermore, first aid is the only setting in which they would be used (whether by "first aiders" or people who are more "highly trained"). In addition, even if Jamie (or anybody else) is able to argue that they shouldn't be used, the fact remains that they were core to first aid practice for a long, long time, and so surely deserve mention? Finally, I think that an encyclopaedia exists in order to explain procedures (amongst other things), not to pass judgement on whether or not they should be used. --John24601 20:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I was taught to use pressure points if direct pressure and elevation didn't work. Pressure points are a common emergency medicine technique, albeit only when some distance from the hospital (because you typically try pressure and elevation for 10 minutes). St.isaac 23:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to say the article should be removed, but imho it wasn't a part of this project because it isn't a part of first aid, to me. My worry is someone will think it is part of standard first aid. But I'm flexible, and willing to include it if the group thinks it should be. JamieJones talk 02:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AVPU merge?

Whilst browsing the project page, I see that we have infact got two articles on the AVPU system - the one I (and others) have inadvertently marketed as an example of a good article (AVPU), and the one I intended to highlight (AVPU system). Obviously some kind of merge needs to take place, but I don't know how to do this, can anybody help? If we're deciding which one to keep, I prefer AVPU system. --John24601 21:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I like AVPU system better too, but I think the title should be AVPU. We could get an admin to delete AVPU and then we could move AVPU system to AVPU... St.isaac 23:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 00:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MEDMOS needs YOU!

The Manual of Style (Medicine-related articles) is entering a critical stage: I'm informing people to visit the page, make corrections where possible, and then state there support or disagreements on the talk page, so we can see if there is consensus to turn this proposed guideline into a consensus-supported guideline.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First aid in myocardial infarction

Myocardial_infarction#First_aid: This section needs referencing, but I don't have any authorative first aid manuals: could someone have a look, maybe remove some bits where necessary and add references? Thank you!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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