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[edit] Examples

Wouldn't it be better to have assessment examples that represent the strongest of that class. I mean that for a stub rather than an article that is clearly a stub, have an article that has an infobox, partial plot, and cast. For a start have one that has a full plot, infobox, reception, and the beginnings of a production section.

I think this would be better because the current example for a stub is so obvious as to be unnecessary, but a more expanded stub (like Gentleman's Agreement without the cast section) would help to resolve doubts. Anyone else think this is worthwhile?--Supernumerary 03:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that that is a fantastic idea. But I wouldn't want to be the one to draw the line on borderline articles for the whole project. But classes like start and stub are going to be close anyway... Cbrown1023 03:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

A firm borderline doesn't have to be drawn. Examples are very useful, especially if they are given along with the points that differentiate them from stub, start or B. The point is to help new assessing members get an idea, so we don't end up with way too big differences. Some argue that since a film is not important, even a stub-like size can be considered "start", since there is very little to say. It would be good to clear out such points in a general way. Hoverfish 13:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top debates

Well, should I list here some films I think should be Top importance? (Not more than 10-20) Hoverfish 23:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea... Cbrown1023 23:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Really, I don't mind what you grade as top-importance. It is totally subjective and POV-oriented anyway. I use the Top/High Assessments for what articles I work on. I mostly do the stubs and starts of those areas... so, you really don't need to post it here, you can just do it. However, if you feel like getting feedback or opinions on what you think, you can post it here. Cbrown1023 06:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok. It says it is subjective. I've also heard "it's not democratic". I guess what comes in Version 1.0 is not my concern. Mostly I care that we give Top and High as a motivation of developing some articles from the stub-pile. Someone even marked Monty Python and the Holy Grail as Top and thinks it should stay Top. I love it, but I wouldn't spend any time trying to make it GA. I feel a bit like Ed Wood in this assessment thing, but we should come up with something better than Plan 9 From Outer Space. I mean, there are some encyclopedic criteria for important films. Critics/industry award winners, even international film festival winners should qualify for Top. Then, Top grossing (if possible worldwide) is another Top importance. Now if scifi, monty python or other cultists want their gospels Top, good... democracy, POV or whatever, it will mix in (hopefully to a logical point). But at least we should secure Top for some objective criteria. Hoverfish 13:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

My sentiments exactly articulated better than I could have. Cbrown1023 15:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Start class requirements

Don't you think that it is too much to require two additional (other than cast and plot) sections for the article to be in the start class? I think that intro, infobox, picture, plot, cast, and categories are enough requirements for the Start class. If any two additional sections are added, then the article may become a B class article.--Crzycheetah 20:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)